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Posted: 9/15/2005 9:37:25 AM EDT
A reliable source out of south Florida reports that Al Queda has recently obtained biologicals from a top secret bio-weapons development lab that is located in New Orleans. After the flooding and looting, Al Queda operatives utilized the opportunity to break into the lab and, it is believed, they obtained Small Pox virus, plague, AIDS-derived virus that is immune to current treatment technology and an unidentified strain of Ebola (Hemmoragic variety).
Citizens are to immediately contact the Center for Disease Control located in Atlanta, GA in the event of unexplained/unexpected multiple deaths occur in your community. |
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I heard that the material was smuggled out in a tub full of Heineken Bottles.
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ABC News: NJ man of Asian descent was diagnosed today with a rare case of tuberculosis. More details to follow at 6pm. So how's the traffic Chip?
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+1. This is how rumors get started. "I saw it on the internet..." |
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Getting access into labs with such nasties would be very tough. The BeerSlayer has mentioned this before as he worked at Ft Detrick.
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I know you all didn't know this, but high winds and water levels over 3 feet deep make once TOP SECRET facilities, into well known non-Top Secret facilities. Area 51 almost turned into a regional SW Airlines hub a few years ago due to heavy rains. |
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They could have probably gotten most of that by simply filling a few jugs with street water.
I would have though that most of the labs that work with especially dangerous strains of viruses would be located somewhere other than in a big city. |
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I nominate this for "Stupidest Post on ARFCOM this year". I mean if you're going to make crap up at least do it right so it sounds beleivable. |
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dunno for sure. i live in atlanta. supposedly the cdc here has smallpox virus. there was once a discussion of where smallpox samples were kept. one was cdc i think. some place in russia. very few places keep the virus world wide
i would be very suprised to find out there was a biolab in NO that was just abandoned and that al qaeda know about it.. and broke in.. and we found out in detail.. and reported it in the news as legit.. |
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LOL |
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Why the hell would the US locate a "top secret bio weapons research lab" in New Orleans?
They have neither the military, academic, or medical infrastructure to support it. Proximity to large numbers of people also comes to mind as a negative. |
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Like the CDC in Atlanta? |
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It seems to me I read something a couple years ago about the last remaining samples of one of those diseases (smallpox?) being destroyed.
Do any of you remember that? |
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Stop right there... how does a source get information on supposed Al Qaeda operations in NO... The Al Qaeda double top secret what I did today blog? Why would an Al Qaeda operative be telling anyone on the outside they had this stuff before they used it... Should have pegged your bullshit meter… |
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i have always wondered about that but they do. supposedly the building is armoured and sort of like a vault (or series of vaults). there are lots of medical facilities here. it is not prone to earthquakes. and and lot (most) of the CDC's job is to deal with deseases world wide, not bioterrorism or bioweapons. i have heard that the building is old and needs to be upgraded of fixed.... |
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We have at least 1 biolevel 3 lab here... AND the NSA.
Not sure if that's good or bad... |
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Yup, that's officially funny! |
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My BS-o-meter is now pegged.
It's easier to obtain biological weapons outside of the US and smuggle them in than it is to find a biological weapon lab in the USA and there is no reason whatsoever that the US would weaponize biological agents in New Orleans, even if the USA did that sort of thing. Closest place I know of that biological weapons were ever done is Pine Bluff Arsenal AR. They stopped in 1969. Either way, even if there ever was a biological weapons development lab in NO, which there wasn't, never was, never will be, waiting for a hurricane to hit, then breaking in, stealing stuff, and getting out of the area without mutating into a giant sea cucumber is much harder than just buying it from one of the Stans. |
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Level 3 lab has stuff you can pick up in New Mexico. No big deal. Most pharmaceutical companies have a level 3 lab somewhere. And NSA? Mostly a bunch of geeks with pocket protectors. I used to work for that bunch. |
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Supposedly they have got at least one sample of all of the nastiest bugs on the planet there. |
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NSA is into comms, not bioweapons. Like KK7SM said mostly Engineer/Techy types. |
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Some of these labs are described in the book "The Hot Zone." Check it out. It will give you a fresh appreciation for ebola. |
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Bullshit of the highest order.
But thanks for the fear-mongering anyway, jackass. |
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Tulane had a bio research lab, but I am confident it was secured. I do not believe that they had smallpox, only the CDC and a lab in Russia has the smallpox virus, unless some folks managed to harvest it from dead bodies of folks who died from it and were buried near the artic circle. |
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having worked in the bl-4 suites at usamriid. and knowing the types of isolation and security in those labs in the 80's i will also call bullshit. "if" they got in they are currently seriously ill and will be easy to catch. |
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I am worried that Ophelia will damage Plum Island......
The only BSL5 site |
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those are NOT the only labs with smallpox virus. |
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So, it is true? |
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Those are the only labs "the public" is told that have the smallpox virus. The truth may be different, it would not surprise me. |
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How does one evaluate a rumor without presentation of facts from an un-named source? Its just a rumor until someone provides some facts and evidence.
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This concept is crying out for a Photoshop job.... |
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I suspect the rumor (most rumors have -some- basis in fact) is based upon the story that Tulane was flooded, and that Tulane has a bio-research facility -- but this sort of facility, if it is like other facilities that I am familiar with, will have a very detailed disaster plan in place, a notebook-thick document that will have a very detailed step-by-step procedure to follow in the event of emergencies. The existence of the document/procedure is a precondition of the facility becoming operational.
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Rest easy. Ophelia isn't much of a threat. When it turned and missed Charleston I was actually a tad disappointed. A tropical storm or Cat 1 would provide a good training opportunity for family preparedness. |
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The best propaganda mixes true information with lie to obfuscate the lie. |
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it missed you but If the storm sits off NC churning rain for a few more days the flooding and damage inland will be severe. |
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DzlBenz said: "Bullshit of the highest order.
But thanks for the fear-mongering anyway, jackass." [PeeWee Herman] I know you are, but what am I? [PeeWee Herman] |
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Actually I had read that they had entered and destroyed the "bugs" and removed all research to a safe and secure site. I will try and find the article.
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Level 3 lab has stuff you can pick up in New Mexico like Hanta virus???? I may be wrong on the biolevel.... but I thought we'd done some Ebola type research... we also have a large primate research facility. |
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And on a related note, Bubonic plague infested rats escape a lab in New Jersey:
www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/15/D8CKQJFO1.html |
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www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL091305epidem.551bfa97.html
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they were doing similar bioweapons research to what is done at usamriid. they are not weaponsing biologicals they are researching vaccine and treatment protocols. there is a MAJOR difference.
when i was in ebola was done in our bl-4 suites. that may have changed. |
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That's ugly stuff! |
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Hantavirus you can get from infected rat urine. Gets into the dust, you breathe the dust, you get sick. Level 3 is normally used for research in Hepatitis B, HIV, influenza, anthrax, plague, and the like. You could have hantavirus in it, but not as often. Hanta is kind of exotic. Most of the stuff you'd find in a level 3 is treatable. Level 2 is like a regular clinic lab where they take tissue cultures for testing. You know, like you pee in a jar, they want to check it, goes to a level 2 lab. Sometimes stuff moves back and forth, depending on how much of it there is and what they're testing for. It's mostly guidelines and such. Your really wild and wooly stuff like Ebola and Marburg go in Level 4, i.e. space suit land. |
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and France - those are the only three places (that we know about!) that have live small pox virus |
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