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Posted: 7/19/2005 5:38:06 PM EDT

1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!
2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?
3.) end up being forced to cut holes in the floors of our cars and drive to work like the flippin' Flinstones?
4.) force the evil oil corporations release the secrets of cold fusion and other alternative fuel options that they have killed scientists to remain secret in order to keep themselves in business?

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:45:22 PM EDT

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1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!
2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?
3.) end up being forced to cut holes in the floors of our cars and drive to work like the flippin' Flinstones?
4.) force the evil oil corporations release the secrets of cold fusion and other alternative fuel options that they have killed scientists to remain secret in order to keep themselves in business?

This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs. Hell, some historic conservatives have gone socialist and want price controls.

I don't want anything banned, and support your right to drive what you want. Just don't be so silly as to ask the world to operate on your terms. If you buy a heavy and powerful vehicle, you will consume more fuel, and that's that!

My question is whether or not these same people put their thermostats at 78F in the winter and bitch about how the man is keeping them down?

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:47:07 PM EDT

[#2]

I am more than happy using the rest of the worlds oil before we use ours.

Sgat1r5

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:48:42 PM EDT

[#3]

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This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs.

I live in upstate NY. My SUV and my 4 x 4 Ram are very much needed.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:49:44 PM EDT

[#4]

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This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs.

I live in upstate NY. My SUV and my 4 x 4 Ram are very much needed.

As a daily driver?

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:49:48 PM EDT

[#5]

I keep hearing that gas is only 2% of the oil we use, if that's so then why does gas skyrocket every time oil prices fart up a .01?

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:50:15 PM EDT

[#6]

You think this is bad now? The comparative price per disposible income isnt even close to the gas crunch of the 70s.

Wait untill forced carpooling has been implemented before you raise the black flag.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:50:45 PM EDT

[#7]

If gas hits five bucks a gal. I will start running propane etc.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:50:54 PM EDT

[#8]

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1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!
2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?
3.) end up being forced to cut holes in the floors of our cars and drive to work like the flippin' Flinstones?
4.) force the evil oil corporations release the secrets of cold fusion and other alternative fuel options that they have killed scientists to remain secret in order to keep themselves in business?

This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs. Hell, some historic conservatives have gone socialist and want price controls.

My question is whether or not these same people put their thermostats at 78F in the winter and bitch about how the man is keeping them down?

Or how about even a hybrid? Lexus make s ahybrid SUV now; the best of both worlds.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:53:09 PM EDT

[#9]

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1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!
2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?
3.) end up being forced to cut holes in the floors of our cars and drive to work like the flippin' Flinstones?
4.) force the evil oil corporations release the secrets of cold fusion and other alternative fuel options that they have killed scientists to remain secret in order to keep themselves in business?

This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs. Hell, some historic conservatives have gone socialist and want price controls.

I don't want anything banned, and support your right to drive what you want. Just don't be so silly as to ask the world to operate on your terms. If you buy a heavy and powerful vehicle, you will consume more fuel, and that's that!

My question is whether or not these same people put their thermostats at 78F in the winter and bitch about how the man is keeping them down?

The BAD thing is people are WAITING for the more fuel efficient vehicals, instead of designing a product themselves.
If there ever weas a time when the model of "producer" is needed, it is now.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:53:17 PM EDT

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According to the DOE and State Department, the US was buying refined gasoline at $1.50 a gallon from Saudi Arabia and selling it to Iraqis at $0.05 a gallon.

Net loss of $1.45 a gallon.

That was a year ago. I wonder how much we're losing on that deal today.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:54:54 PM EDT

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I am more than happy using the rest of the worlds oil before we use ours.

Sgat1r5

This will not solve the problem. Until we can develop renewable alternative sources of energy we will be dependant on either a) part of the world that hates us, and we will continue to send people my age to Iraq to fight in a war that has a primary purpose of protecting the oil industry from competition with other energy sources or b) our own reserves which will not last forever and may arguably destroy one of the most beautiful places on earth. Why not fix the problem as soon as possible?

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:56:39 PM EDT

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According to the DOE and State Department, the US was buying refined gasoline at $1.50 a gallon from Saudi Arabia and selling it to Iraqis at $0.05 a gallon.

Net loss of $1.45 a gallon.

That was a year ago. I wonder how much we're losing on that deal today.

How much are we paying Haliburton per gallon to keep diesel in American vehicles in Iraq? My guess would be at least $10.00 per gallon.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:58:38 PM EDT

[#13]

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This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs.

I live in upstate NY. My SUV and my 4 x 4 Ram are very much needed.

Yes, it's well known that upstate NY was akin to Siberia before the advent of the 4wd. Got Subaru?

I'm not denying that 4wd CAN be necessary, especially for certain professions. But for most, it's a luxury and vanity item. Even so, there are 4wd alternatives to driving a fuel injection unit on wheels. The human element is that very few want less powerful and/or smaller vehicles. From a marketing perspective, it's neither sexy or appealing. Thus, they want to erase the primary environmental/economic factor steering them in that direction. You don't need an umbrella if you can cancel the rain.

Posted: 7/19/2005 5:59:37 PM EDT

[#14]

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1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!
2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?
3.) end up being forced to cut holes in the floors of our cars and drive to work like the flippin' Flinstones?
4.) force the evil oil corporations release the secrets of cold fusion and other alternative fuel options that they have killed scientists to remain secret in order to keep themselves in business?

This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs. Hell, some historic conservatives have gone socialist and want price controls.

I don't want anything banned, and support your right to drive what you want. Just don't be so silly as to ask the world to operate on your terms. If you buy a heavy and powerful vehicle, you will consume more fuel, and that's that!

My question is whether or not these same people put their thermostats at 78F in the winter and bitch about how the man is keeping them down?
The BAD thing is people are WAITING for the more fuel efficient vehicals, instead of designing a product themselves.
If there ever weas a time when the model of "producer" is needed, it is now.

I have been figuring and planning and drawing on a system that MIGHT get about 140 mpg in a mid sized car for over 12 years. My problem is that I'm just too chicken to mortgage everything I own to try to actually build one. Chickenshit.

That's me.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:03:34 PM EDT

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1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!
2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?
3.) end up being forced to cut holes in the floors of our cars and drive to work like the flippin' Flinstones?
4.) force the evil oil corporations release the secrets of cold fusion and other alternative fuel options that they have killed scientists to remain secret in order to keep themselves in business?

This one's really controversial, so brace yourself. How about driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Fuel is over $2 a gallon, yet most people are unphased and continue buying unneeded trucks and SUVs. Hell, some historic conservatives have gone socialist and want price controls.

I don't want anything banned, and support your right to drive what you want. Just don't be so silly as to ask the world to operate on your terms. If you buy a heavy and powerful vehicle, you will consume more fuel, and that's that!

My question is whether or not these same people put their thermostats at 78F in the winter and bitch about how the man is keeping them down?
The BAD thing is people are WAITING for the more fuel efficient vehicals, instead of designing a product themselves.
If there ever weas a time when the model of "producer" is needed, it is now.

I have been figuring and planning and drawing on a system that MIGHT get about 140 mpg in a mid sized car for over 12 years. My problem is that I'm just too chicken to mortgage everything I own to try to actually build one. Chickenshit. That's me.

Call around and find out how you can get some economic padding.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:04:49 PM EDT

[#16]

Every dollar you import car lovers and China-Mart shoppers send abroad hurts America twice.

1) You widen our trade defecit.

2) You increase foreign ability to swim in the oil supply pool.

Add in environmental lobby restricting new refineries, and then factor in the rule of supply and demand, and guess which was prices will go.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:05:34 PM EDT

[#17]

To be honest, I don't think $2+ bucks for a gallon of gas is that much. Sure it's more than it used to be but we're not in a damned oil crisis.

For compairson we pay $1 for a 20oz bottle of tap water. At 128 fl oz per 1 gallon we're paying $6.40 for a gallon of water.

A gallon of milk these days goes for close to $4 a gallon.

I can't complain paying $2.20 a gallon for something exctracted from who knows how deep in the earth, transported accross the world, refined and finally taxed 49 cents per gallon.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:09:03 PM EDT

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[This will not solve the problem. Until we can develop renewable alternative sources of energy we will be dependant on either a) part of the world that hates us, and we will continue to send people my age to Iraq to fight in a war that has a primary purpose of protecting the oil industry from competition with other energy sources or

You don't understand the economics of oil alternatives. Until prices increase significantly, NONE will be able to compete with the cost of crude and the existing logistical structures getting it to market. I'm with you on efficiency, but you are stretching it a bit to claim that this is 'the reason' we are in Iraq.

) our own reserves which will not last forever and may arguably destroy one of the most beautiful places on earth. Why not fix the problem as soon as possible?

Red Herring argument. You could say this of any place on the Earth if you get to dictate what 'beautiful' is...

The problem is too many consumers of energy. The answer is Nuclear. The French are handing us our asses in this realm. Hell, we even have a disposal facility, yet the left doesn't even want us to use it...

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:10:03 PM EDT

[#19]

$2 A GALLON??!??!!? I'M PAYING $2.87!!!!

This IS ridiculous! I can't imagine filling my tank up for $50 much longer. I'm not rich by any means and its difficult to spend that kind of money on a single fill up. And I'm definitely glad I bought the smaller engine 6 cylinder car, rather than 8 cylinder Mustang.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:11:22 PM EDT

[#20]

If we would start building more Nuke powerplants that would help alot. I'm sure China will contract out and come set some up for us at this point

This is the enviromentalists fault, pure and simple but like the other poster said I don't really think gas is that expensive compared to everything else. It amazes me people think gas is immune to inflation and supply & demand concepts.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:13:59 PM EDT

[#21]

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According to the DOE and State Department, the US was buying refined gasoline at $1.50 a gallon from Saudi Arabia and selling it to Iraqis at $0.05 a gallon.

Net loss of $1.45 a gallon.

That was a year ago. I wonder how much we're losing on that deal today.

How much are we paying Haliburton per gallon to keep diesel in American vehicles in Iraq? My guess would be at least $10.00 per gallon.

How much would you charge to 100% guarantee delivery of fuel in a war zone? The last that i heard it was about a buck more per gallon than gas sells for in Los Angeles.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:15:12 PM EDT

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As a daily driver?

I don't have the finances to maintain different vehicles for different seasons.

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Yes, it's well known that upstate NY was akin to Siberia before the advent of the 4wd. Got Subaru?

We had a Subaru for many years. It was better than nothing, but in bad storms didn't have the ground clearance I needed to get around. I gave up on it one winter when the snow got so deep that it lifted the front end off the ground completely and I lost all traction and had to abandon the vehicle and walk.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:16:10 PM EDT

[#23]

Its been worse.

Carter administraton anyone?

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:17:31 PM EDT

[#24]

We have the solution already sitting here staring at us right smack-dab in the face.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:17:55 PM EDT

[#25]

I have to burn three gallons of gas a week between going to work at my two jobs and required shopping. I average about 6000 miles a year so there's not a whole lot of my pay checks that are going for gasoline.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:19:18 PM EDT

[#26]

I listened to a report on FNC a week ago or so... The man spoke of raising prices to control demand. Period. It is not about supply.

Gas is too "cheap" in the US so we are careless (careless is not a bad word, it just means we give no regard to the decision) in how we use it... At least that was the premise of the argument.

He was also quite clear that the new resting point for fuel cost will be ~$3 per gallon. It will not go back down. Period.

Personally, this will hurt. I drive a '95 Ford F150 that gets the same mileage now that it had when it rolled of the lot - 14/18 mpg. However, my commute is ~70 miles per day. I am resisting looking at little commuter cars but it will happen...

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:23:03 PM EDT

[#27]

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I am more than happy using the rest of the worlds oil before we use ours.

Sgat1r5

This will not solve the problem. Until we can develop renewable alternative sources of energy we will be dependant on either a) part of the world that hates us, and we will continue to send people my age to Iraq to fight in a war that has a primary purpose of protecting the oil industry from competition with other energy sources or b) our own reserves which will not last forever and may arguably destroy one of the most beautiful places on earth. Why not fix the problem as soon as possible?

Do you really believe that shit you spew, boy?

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:25:01 PM EDT

[#28]

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We have the solution already sitting here staring at us right smack-dab in the face.

lab.dce.harvard.edu/~environment/Nuclear-plant-animated.gif

Your pic omits the meltdown and ensuing environmental disaster.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:28:05 PM EDT

[#29]

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The BAD thing is people are WAITING for the more fuel efficient vehicals, instead of designing a product themselves.
If there ever weas a time when the model of "producer" is needed, it is now.

Just to throw another wrench into it, every year Washington tells the automakers what wonderful new "safety" gadgets are mandatory in future automobiles. Like in-dash tire-pressure-indicators because heaven forbid Nancy the soccermom should have to concern herself with checking it manually.

Not exactly helpful to the marketplace.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:28:11 PM EDT

[#30]

When gas gets to $4.00 a gallon, I will be worried, but I have no concerns right now.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:39:22 PM EDT

[#31]

You folks are just concerntrating on the price of gasoline, but the USA economy is based on energy. If gasoline goes up, everything else will go up also, righ along with gasoline. You just can't drive up the cost of gasoline, without propane, groceries, electricity, propane, gun powder, bullets, etc everything we use in our daily lives will go up, and the market will adjust for it.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:45:28 PM EDT

[#32]

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We have the solution already sitting here staring at us right smack-dab in the face.

lab.dce.harvard.edu/~environment/Nuclear-plant-animated.gif

Your pic omits the meltdown and ensuing environmental disaster.

Sorry, you're thinking of the old Soviet version.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:46:43 PM EDT

[#33]

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Sorry, you're thinking of the old Soviet version.

And you think it cant happen here?

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:46:50 PM EDT

[#34]

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I don't have the finances to maintain different vehicles for different seasons.

Yet you have the finances to maintain 2 SUV-class vehicles?

My red flags went up when gas went over $2.00 in 2000. Myself, I run a vehicle 5 days a week that gets ~30MPG average (almost 40MPG highway). It's not enough. I am looking into a electric / gas hybrid vehicle to replace it. The sooner I can dump 100% oil driven vehicles the better. Let the Arabs light the oil on fire in their deserts for all good it will do them in 50 years.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:50:02 PM EDT

[#35]

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Every dollar you import car lovers and China-Mart shoppers send abroad hurts America twice.

1) You widen our trade defecit.

2) You increase foreign ability to swim in the oil supply pool.

Add in environmental lobby restricting new refineries, and then factor in the rule of supply and demand, and guess which was prices will go.

What about GM and Toyota. If you buy a Pontiac Vibe or Chevy Prism you are buying a Toyota. IS GM anti American? So if folks buy those cars are they being tricked? Why is GM using a Toyota design?s it s conspiracy? Do they hate America? or is it because their own designs suck?

If buying imports is so bad for GM, why is GM working with Toyota? why dont they build something that works.

If you buy GM you are part of the problem I guess.

Anyway, gas will NEVER drop below $2.00 a gallon ever. HEck at $4.00 a gallon its still cheaper than anywhere else.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:51:51 PM EDT

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Yet you have the finances to maintain 2 SUV-class vehicles?

We would have two vehicles anyways. My truck gets driven a total of 15 minutes each way to and from work, with occasional side trips. The Durango tends to be the family vehicle and driven more, but in both cases those are miles that, particularly in winter, we NEED to be able to get from point A to point B . We can't support having a 3rd or 4th vehicle to drive as seasonal vehicles in warmer months, nor do most small vehicles have room for the gear I carry year round.

Posted: 7/19/2005 6:59:01 PM EDT

[#37]

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1.) start looking elsewhere for our oil? Say, or example, in THE US!!

I've got news for you. Oil produced in the US is for sale to the higest bidder. Just because it's produced here doesn't mean it's going to stay here.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:00:53 PM EDT

[#38]

Has the increased price of gas driven up any kind of demand for more fuel efficient vehicles to the point of the manufacturers being able to drive up the prices on them? I'm sure more people are considering getting a car that gets better gas mileage v. a gas guzzling SUV... which means that the auto-manufacturers are also taking it in the ass on the bigger cars, right? Hence a lot of the the companies now offering the "employee discount" deal to unload all of their fuel-defficient crap?

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:01:42 PM EDT

[#39]

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Sorry, you're thinking of the old Soviet version.

And you think it cant happen here?

Possibly. Everything contains a risk element, albeit very small.

Just as is keeping ourselves tied to an overseas dependant fuel source. Do you feel comfortable with the Saudis controlling your energy? I don't.

FWIW, the French now get the majority of their nation's power from nuclear power plants. That's right - the French.

The only nuke plants that concern me are the ones operated by onetime Soviet era countries and satellites....and they aren't that much of a threat to me at all.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:02:10 PM EDT

[#40]

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We have the solution already sitting here staring at us right smack-dab in the face.

lab.dce.harvard.edu/~environment/Nuclear-plant-animated.gif

Your pic omits the meltdown and ensuing environmental disaster.

Technology. You have forgotten the simple fact that all the operating nuclear fission power plants in the United States CANNOT melt down to the point of containment failure. Water moderated plants cannot go into fission without water. So if the cooling/moderating water were to cease flow, the reaction STOPS. The residual heat from the lack of cooling causes only partial meltdown but it cannot breech containment.

TMI had only a small release of gas because of operational foul-up. And there was no environmental problem.

Now Chernobyl was a GRAPHITE moderated plant. When cooling water failed, the GRAPHITE could withstand much higher temperatures and the thermal warpage prevented control rod reinsertation, the ONLY means of stopping the moderated neutrons. The reaction continued until the graphite vaporized and unlike vaporized water, carbon vapor explodes. Now the reaction could slow down...

So, domestic reactors can get too hot but when they do, the reaction stops. But ex-Soviet reactors can get too hot and when that happens, the sole control mechanism fails and the much higher vaporizing graphite moderator becomes explosive. Big difference. Not all Soviet engineering was superior...

Next time, know what you are talking about.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:06:54 PM EDT

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Technology. You have forgotten the simple fact that all the operating nuclear fission power plants in the United States CANNOT melt down to the point of containment failure. Water moderated plants cannot go into fission without water. So if the cooling/moderating water were to cease flow, the reaction STOPS. The residual heat from the lack of cooling causes only partial meltdown but it cannot breech containment.

TMI had only a small release of gas because of operational foul-up. And there was no environmental problem.

Now Chernobyl was a GRAPHITE moderated plant. When cooling water failed, the GRAPHITE could withstand much higher temperatures and the thermal warpage prevented control rod reinsertation, the ONLY means of stopping the moderated neutrons.

Next time, know what you are talking about.

Cannot happen as in "never" is a big claim.To say there can "never" be a nuclear disaster is a big claim, like saying that a plane will "never" crash. Sooner or later there will be some sort of disaster, some problem, and then all of you guys who claim that "nothing bad will ever happen" will be left eatting your words.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:15:26 PM EDT

[#42]

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Technology. You have forgotten the simple fact that all the operating nuclear fission power plants in the United States CANNOT melt down to the point of containment failure. Water moderated plants cannot go into fission without water. So if the cooling/moderating water were to cease flow, the reaction STOPS. The residual heat from the lack of cooling causes only partial meltdown but it cannot breech containment.

TMI had only a small release of gas because of operational foul-up. And there was no environmental problem.

Now Chernobyl was a GRAPHITE moderated plant. When cooling water failed, the GRAPHITE could withstand much higher temperatures and the thermal warpage prevented control rod reinsertation, the ONLY means of stopping the moderated neutrons.

Next time, know what you are talking about.

Cannot happen as in "never" is a big claim.To say there can "never" be a nuclear disaster is a big claim, like saying that a plane will "never" crash. Sooner or later there will be some sort of disaster, some problem, and then all of you guys who claim that "nothing bad will ever happen" will be left eatting your words.

So, you never fly in planes?

How about cars? Those things killed about 10K last year I believe.

Life has risks.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:16:55 PM EDT

[#43]

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Technology. You have forgotten the simple fact that all the operating nuclear fission power plants in the United States CANNOT melt down to the point of containment failure. Water moderated plants cannot go into fission without water. So if the cooling/moderating water were to cease flow, the reaction STOPS. The residual heat from the lack of cooling causes only partial meltdown but it cannot breech containment.

TMI had only a small release of gas because of operational foul-up. And there was no environmental problem.

Now Chernobyl was a GRAPHITE moderated plant. When cooling water failed, the GRAPHITE could withstand much higher temperatures and the thermal warpage prevented control rod reinsertation, the ONLY means of stopping the moderated neutrons.

Next time, know what you are talking about.

Cannot happen as in "never" is a big claim.To say there can "never" be a nuclear disaster is a big claim, like saying that a plane will "never" crash. Sooner or later there will be some sort of disaster, some problem, and then all of you guys who claim that "nothing bad will ever happen" will be left eatting your words.

Yes, I can say without reservations that Chernoybl could NEVER happen to ANY domestic or European nuclear power plant.

Intrinsically safe versus dangerous. Ever hear of a power plant (conventionl) exploding? They all use pressurized steam and at much higher pressures than the old reciprocating steam engine. If you were to look at the historical disasters with boilers, you would think we are sitting on a time bomb considering how all base load plants use high pressure steam. Technology made the difference and started the American Society of Mechanical Engineers. And they are part of the regulation covering nuclear power plants...the fission side is regulated by the NRC.

Do you fly in commercial aircraft? Even after the DeHaviland Comet? We learn from failures and prevent future problems. But Luddites always fear the unknown because they are grounded in mysticism rather than science and engineering.

Better stay off the roads and definitely stay away from airports.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:25:36 PM EDT

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Better stay off the roads and definitely stay away from airports.

I stay off the roads whenever possible due to the idiot drivers out there, and no, I don't fly unless absolutely neccesary.

And I still think that saying that a problem or crisis will "never" arise with nuke power is being irresponsible. Do you have a nuke plant in YOUR backyard, or do you expect other people to put up with that problem?At the very least we have the problem of accumulating stockpiles of nuke waste thatw e and our heirs will have to deal with for centuries. That stuff is not going away.And I know the argument: "our kids will find a way to deal with it". Nice leap of faith, there. Quite a thing to do: shove the problem off on our heirs.

Posted: 7/19/2005 7:56:17 PM EDT

[#45]

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Better stay off the roads and definitely stay away from airports.

I stay off the roads whenever possible due to the idiot drivers out there, and no, I don't fly unless absolutely neccesary.

And I still think that saying that a problem or crisis will "never" arise with nuke power is being irresponsible. Do you have a nuke plant in YOUR backyard, or do you expect other people to put up with that problem?At the very least we have the problem of accumulating stockpiles of nuke waste thatw e and our heirs will have to deal with for centuries. That stuff is not going away.And I know the argument: "our kids will find a way to deal with it". Nice leap of faith, there. Quite a thing to do: shove the problem off on our heirs.

Compare the deaths in the US from the nuclear industry against other power producing industries.

...and yes, I'd take a nuke plant in my backyard. As a matter of fact, I'd welcome it. At least that way I know that when the SHTF in the middle east, I'll still have electricity.

Posted: 7/19/2005 10:05:56 PM EDT

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Better stay off the roads and definitely stay away from airports.

I stay off the roads whenever possible due to the idiot drivers out there, and no, I don't fly unless absolutely neccesary.

And I still think that saying that a problem or crisis will "never" arise with nuke power is being irresponsible. Do you have a nuke plant in YOUR backyard, or do you expect other people to put up with that problem?At the very least we have the problem of accumulating stockpiles of nuke waste thatw e and our heirs will have to deal with for centuries. That stuff is not going away.And I know the argument: "our kids will find a way to deal with it". Nice leap of faith, there. Quite a thing to do: shove the problem off on our heirs.

Yes, I have had a nuclear power plant in "my backyard". It was TMI and I was NEVER afraid. Did I move because of it? No, I was AD Army and Uncle Sugar's ARPERCEN frequently shifts their Joes around.

Nuclear waste? Managable. Very managable for today's power production considering most of the problem waste is due to development.

Now this is something to chew on...how is it the French, those surrender monkeys, have managed to tame the atom to the point over 55% of their power is from fission? No TMIs or Chernobyls in France. If you are correct in your sophomoric generalization that nuclear power is dangerous, most of France is braver than you. Or could it be the French have better engineering? Perish that thought as the Chauchat was the pinnacle of Franco-Gallic technology.

Posted: 7/19/2005 10:40:39 PM EDT

[#47]

I would be thrilled if gas was only $2.00 a gallon. When it hits $5.00 a gallon I will be looking for more fuel efficient vehicles.

Posted: 7/19/2005 10:47:52 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

2.) start changing the laws that prohibit any more oil refinderies from being built in the US?

I hit that level when it went above $1.00/gallon.

Two things should be built right now: Enough refineries, and all of the nuclear reactors we can construct as fast as we can construct them.

Jim

Posted: 7/19/2005 10:51:23 PM EDT

[#49]

Well their is another option at this point.... The honda civic GX that runs on Natural gas. they are currently feilding a unit that can refill your car from your home NG line in california. I'm not sure what the cost comes out to in gallon figures but it should be somewhat cheaper than gasoline at this point. of course that could change if NG prices go up like crazy.

Posted: 7/19/2005 10:56:10 PM EDT

[#50]

Or we could invade Iraq and secure a huge oil supply and extract it on our own terms. Wait didnt we just do that?
Jls7

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