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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:51:33 PM EDT
Two lifeforms merge into one organism for first time in a billion years
For the first time in at least a billion years, two lifeforms have merged into a single organism. The process, called primary endosymbiosis, has only happened twice in the history of the Earth, with the first time giving rise to all complex life as we know it through mitochondria. The second time that it happened saw the emergence of plants. Now, an international team of scientists have observed the evolutionary event happening between a species of algae commonly found in the ocean and a bacterium. “The first time we think it happened, it gave rise to all complex life,” said Tyler Coale, a postdoctoral researcher at University of California, Santa Cruz, who led the research on one of two recent studies that uncovered the phenomenon. “Everything more complicated than a bacterial cell owes its existence to that event. A billion years ago or so, it happened again with the chloroplast, and that gave us plants.” The process involves the algae engulfing the bacterium and providing it with nutrients, energy and protection in return for functions that it could not previously perform – in this instance, the ability to “fix” nitrogen from the air. The algae then incorporates the bacterium as an internal organ called an organelle, which becomes vital to the host’s ability to function. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:54:12 PM EDT
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How do we know? A billion years seems like a long time when we been around for a few hundred thousand and don't know how shit got made a few thousand years ago?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:54:57 PM EDT
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Dis gun be gud.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:55:35 PM EDT
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The first thing they thought of was how can we make this into a food for humans.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:55:53 PM EDT
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I, for one, welcome our Nitroplast overlords.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:55:57 PM EDT
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Yeah whatever.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:56:47 PM EDT
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THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD
- GD Bible Thumpers |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:57:31 PM EDT
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Billion years huh...
Fake news!!! |
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USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesJones: How do we know? A billion years seems like a long time when we been around for a few hundred thousand and don't know how shit got made a few thousand years ago? Theoretically speaking....which itself evolves into dogma. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:57:55 PM EDT
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Thats how you get swamp thing.
I hope they sprayed it with round up. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:58:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ske714]
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:59:16 PM EDT
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Birds arnt fucking real.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:59:23 PM EDT
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How soon until someone tries to radiate it, or change it chemically, and we get some creature growing??
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesJones: How do we know? A billion years seems like a long time when we been around for a few hundred thousand and don't know how shit got made a few thousand years ago? I'm going to go out on a limb and say just like most "science" they are completely full of shit and have no idea. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:00:19 PM EDT
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I thought this thread was gonna be about the Republican lawmakers merging into Democrat lawmakers. Weird
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:00:29 PM EDT
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I’m a this from the video with the dude who claimed to put his sperm with an egg yoke and grew a little squiggly standing up thing?
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:01:56 PM EDT
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In before someone says "I'd hit it"
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eolian: Thats how you get swamp thing. I hope they sprayed it with round up. Or xenomorphs |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesJones: How do we know? A billion years seems like a long time when we been around for a few hundred thousand and don't know how shit got made a few thousand years ago? When you see statements like "this has only happened twice ever" what they mean to say is "we've only found evidence of this happening twice ever." It doesn't preclude that it has happened elsewhere, only that we haven't found such evidence. And I didn't read the article, but based on the subject matter, I would assume the evidence they have of this occurring (in antiquity) is primarily DNA evidence. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:05:48 PM EDT
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And how many centuries will it take before it evolves into a something?
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USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:06:32 PM EDT
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How many civilizations have risen and fell in just the known history of mankind that we have absolutely no knowledge of.
Pretty sure these 'experts' are talking out of their asses. Must be funding time. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:06:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fulminate]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD - GD Bible Thumpers In the beginning there was vast nothingness, then there was a bang and suddenly something took nothing's place. -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:08:49 PM EDT
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So, was this a forced process in a lab? And how do they really know it's the first time?
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:09:00 PM EDT
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This proves there are a lot of mushrooms at UC Santa Cruz and nothing else.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:09:17 PM EDT
[#24]
America and an Open Border. Same thing.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:09:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NoFnNamesLeft]
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Originally Posted By phungus: For the first time  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:10:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:11:04 PM EDT
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What are its pronouns?
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:12:46 PM EDT
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I aint come from no monkeys!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:14:05 PM EDT
[#29]
Sounds to me like symbiosis, not a new life form. The stuff about that this is the way things began is pure speculation.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fulminate: In the beginning there was a singularity -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fulminate: Originally Posted By BombCrater: THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD - GD Bible Thumpers In the beginning there was a singularity -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science Here's the non retarded version. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:17:43 PM EDT
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artificial meat?
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:18:33 PM EDT
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lol, they have no idea. Just trying to earn that grant money.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD - GD Bible Thumpers It was created last Tuesday, I guess you didn’t get the memo. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:19:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:19:24 PM EDT
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So it made a phungus?
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:19:48 PM EDT
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But can they explain an airplane on a treadmill?
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fulminate: In the beginning there was vast nothingness, then there was a bang and suddenly something took nothing's place. -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science  |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cedjunior: Here's the non retarded version. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cedjunior: Originally Posted By fulminate: Originally Posted By BombCrater: THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD - GD Bible Thumpers In the beginning there was a singularity -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science Here's the non retarded version. So all you have to do is come up with a hypothesis where the laws of physics and reality cease to exist…..cuz God would be so crazy that we have to invent another competing crazy where time itself is a slave to infinite mass (idea of something never ending/infinite isn’t crazy i guess). See! God is dead! |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Max429: How soon until someone tries to radiate it, or change it chemically, and we get some creature growing?? How long until some Marine tries to fuck it and impregnate it? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GilTPayne: How many civilizations have risen and fell in just the known history of mankind that we have absolutely no knowledge of. Pretty sure these 'experts' are talking out of their asses. Must be funding time. Go away, and stay there. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: How long until some Marine tries to fuck it and impregnate it? It's too old already |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: So all you have to do is come up with a hypothesis where the laws of physics and reality cease to exist ..cuz God would be so crazy that we have to invent another competing crazy where time itself is a slave to infinite mass (idea of something never ending/infinite isn't crazy i guess). See! God is dead! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By cedjunior: Originally Posted By fulminate: Originally Posted By BombCrater: THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD - GD Bible Thumpers In the beginning there was a singularity -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science Here's the non retarded version. So all you have to do is come up with a hypothesis where the laws of physics and reality cease to exist ..cuz God would be so crazy that we have to invent another competing crazy where time itself is a slave to infinite mass (idea of something never ending/infinite isn't crazy i guess). See! God is dead! You also have to ignore the original question, which was about "the beginning". If there's already a singularity, or anything else, that's not the beginning. That's just an event somewhere in a timeline. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:27:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fulminate: In the beginning there was vast nothingness, then there was a bang and suddenly something took nothing's place. -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fulminate: Originally Posted By BombCrater: THE EARF IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD - GD Bible Thumpers In the beginning there was vast nothingness, then there was a bang and suddenly something took nothing's place. -- GD Hurr Durr trust the science In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God created light. There was still nothing, but you could see it. Henry Gibson. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:31:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k]
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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk1075
PDF of the paper https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(24)00182-X.pdf Overall, our study shows that the size relationship of the N2- fixing cyanobacterium UCYN-A with B. bigelowii is determined by fundamental constraints rooted in the exchange of resources between symbiotic partners, i.e., in a coordinated metabolism. UCYN-A and other N2-fixing spheroid bodies45–47 are ‘‘snap- shots’’ along the spectrum of the evolution of bacterial-derived organelles in eukaryotes. However, how far along this trajectory these N2-fixing spheroid bodies are will ultimately be uncovered by the demonstration of additional organelle properties, such as the coordination of protein import and export. Limitations of the study This study does not unequivocally demonstrate that UCYN-A is an organelle for N2 fixation because, in order to do so, additional experiments would be necessary to show, for instance, protein trafficking and/or gene migration between both symbiotic part- ners, i.e., UCYN-A and B. bigelowii. Moreover, the symbiotic relationship between the UCYN-A2 sublineage and B. bigelowii might be occasionally unstable under undetermined culture conditions, as it has been reported in this and other similar diffi- cult-to-grow N2-fixing symbioses.6,47 Identifying the conditions triggering the instability of these types of symbioses might help us to better understand what makes them stay together in the natural environment. Furthermore, knowing whether UCYN-A can or cannot be cultivated as a free-living population would be very informative in respect of its nature. In this regard, at- tempts to maintain free-living UCYN-A cells have been unsuc- cessful so far, supporting the nitroplast hypothesis, yet further attempts are needed to confirm this observation. --------------------------------------------- From the news article: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/evolution-history-algae-plants-agriculture-b2532663.html The process involves the algae engulfing the bacterium and providing it with nutrients, energy and protection in return for functions that it could not previously perform – in this instance, the ability to “fix” nitrogen from the air. The algae then incorporates the bacterium as an internal organ called an organelle, which becomes vital to the host’s ability to function. So if you add something the thing you added it to magically becomes not a (in this case algae of whatever type) ... eh. If you surgically implanted a biological filter into a human's airway that fitered noxious chemicals out, would they be human or not?  ---------------------------------- eta; A bacteria goes into an algae and not only do we call it life, we call it a new life form. Conception happens with human sperm and egg and we don't, we swear it isn't even life. The hypocrisy is chokingly thick. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesJones: How do we know? A billion years seems like a long time when we been around for a few hundred thousand and don't know how shit got made a few thousand years ago? FPNI. Sounds like breathless hype from MSN.com. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:34:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TomMcC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk1075 PDF of the paper https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(24)00182-X.pdf Overall, our study shows that the size relationship of the N2- fixing cyanobacterium UCYN-A with B. bigelowii is determined by fundamental constraints rooted in the exchange of resources between symbiotic partners, i.e., in a coordinated metabolism. UCYN-A and other N2-fixing spheroid bodies45 47 are ''snap- shots'' along the spectrum of the evolution of bacterial-derived organelles in eukaryotes. However, how far along this trajectory these N2-fixing spheroid bodies are will ultimately be uncovered by the demonstration of additional organelle properties, such as the coordination of protein import and export. Limitations of the study This study does not unequivocally demonstrate that UCYN-A is an organelle for N2 fixation because, in order to do so, additional experiments would be necessary to show, for instance, protein trafficking and/or gene migration between both symbiotic part- ners, i.e., UCYN-A and B. bigelowii. Moreover, the symbiotic relationship between the UCYN-A2 sublineage and B. bigelowii might be occasionally unstable under undetermined culture conditions, as it has been reported in this and other similar diffi- cult-to-grow N2-fixing symbioses.6,47 Identifying the conditions triggering the instability of these types of symbioses might help us to better understand what makes them stay together in the natural environment. Furthermore, knowing whether UCYN-A can or cannot be cultivated as a free-living population would be very informative in respect of its nature. In this regard, at- tempts to maintain free-living UCYN-A cells have been unsuc- cessful so far, supporting the nitroplast hypothesis, yet further attempts are needed to confirm this observation. --------------------------------------------- From the news article: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/evolution-history-algae-plants-agriculture-b2532663.html The process involves the algae engulfing the bacterium and providing it with nutrients, energy and protection in return for functions that it could not previously perform in this instance, the ability to "fix" nitrogen from the air. The algae then incorporates the bacterium as an internal organ called an organelle, which becomes vital to the host's ability to function. So if you add something the thing you added it to magically becomes not a (in this case algae of whatever type) ... eh. If you surgically implanted a biological filter into a human's airway that fitered noxious chemicals out, would they be human or not? And yes, the world abounds in hypocrisy. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:37:38 PM EDT
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Pics of billion year old scientists not loading.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:39:37 PM EDT
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Is this how we get zombies? I want zombies.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By osprey21: So it made a phungus?  whatyoudidthere.gif |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:40:04 PM EDT
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Is this like a Tuvix situation going on?
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