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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:27:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:34:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BoRdErBaCoN]
[#1]
Dog better be packin' heat.
If you're sniffing for mine and making me leave it at home - I expect to be protected! Although I'm willing to bet - gun or no gun - I still smell like them on the regular. 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:40:35 AM EDT
[#2]
Get a dropper and drop CLP everywhere.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:45:15 AM EDT
[#3]
I could easily see this quietly phased out at MoA for being “racist”.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:18:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman762: Are they effective? Traveling there soon and seriously debating if carrying is going to be an issue. The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:20:02 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEN: I googled mall of america security. Do they really openly carry rifles and have a range at the mall? That's only in Gecko45's fantasy of mall security. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:24:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drerickson77: That's only in Gecko45's fantasy of mall security. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drerickson77: Originally Posted By JimEN: I googled mall of america security. Do they really openly carry rifles and have a range at the mall? That's only in Gecko45's fantasy of mall security. There are days when people are walking around with M4 style rifles. I’m sure their main job isn’t mall security. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:27:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: There are days when people are walking around with M4 style rifles. I’m sure their main job isn’t mall security. The legend lives on. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:28:54 AM EDT
[#8]
I would prefer gun shooting Eli Dickens over gun sniffing dogs to protect a mall.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:30:15 AM EDT
[#9]
Gecko45 got a dog?
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:31:38 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryI’m not sure what you are getting at. I’ll get a picture next time I see them. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:32:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. All depends on the state. Here in Florida all they can do is ask you to leave. Now, if you don't leave you are trespass while armed which is a felony. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:35:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: I’m not sure what you are getting at. I’ll get a picture next time I see them. If open rifles are being carried it's by the Bloomington police and not the MOA Security. That's all. No need for a picture. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:37:26 AM EDT
[#13]
The few times I go to the MOA I never see the proper signs (or any signs) banning guns and I always conceal when I'm there.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:42:22 AM EDT
[#14]
I love dogs but this could become an issue of self defense.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:42:41 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeInMediocrity: People still go to malls? I wouldn't if I saw a sign for gun sniffing dogs. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:52:10 AM EDT
[#16]
Might be good practice location for someone who wants to train to pass the government's gun sniffing dogs.
I'm always looking for the silver lining like that. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:52:58 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drerickson77: If open rifles are being carried it's by the Bloomington police and not the MOA Security. That's all. No need for a picture. Yes, that’s what I hinted at, it’s probably not MOA security. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:54:17 AM EDT
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We had them on many of our details back when we were doing large events. Plain clothes, they never acknowledged any of us.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:56:12 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270: Smell of powder Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270: Originally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Smell of powder That's not true. I've had a chance to interact with them and ask a trainer questions. They will hit on any series of things that are gun related including solvents and gun lubricants. Once you truly appreciate how advanced a dog's sense of smell is, it is mind blowing. They even have dogs trained to locate electronic devices like phones and hard drives. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:07:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drerickson77: The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drerickson77: Originally Posted By Marksman762: Are they effective? Traveling there soon and seriously debating if carrying is going to be an issue. The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. As far as I know, MN is still luckily in the group that the posted signs don't really carry any weight of the law. They can ask you to leave, and then only if you raise a stink and refuse to leave, they can trespass you for a misdemeanor, but that's about it. Shouldn't be an issue to carry there so long as you're okay with leaving if you get sniffed and asked to leave. Granted, I think the Dems are trying to change that where those signs are actually legally binding, but I don't think they've been able to shoehorn that one in yet, thankfully. With the way the MoA has degraded, an upstanding citizen carrying while peacefully going about their shopping is probably going to be low on the priority list for security to swing their dick about, compared to the probably daily scuffles amongst the groups of rowdy youths. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:14:43 AM EDT
[#21]
When visiting my folks in MN my wife and I will go to MoA. I always carry and my wife has a service dog (German shepherd) due to a pretty severe feinting issue. Needless to say, when the MoA police with the dogs see us they immediately divert and go another direction.
It appears her service dog does more than just her training now as I believe protocol is for the k9's to avoid service animals entirely. Which makes sense to me in a lot of ways. Good for us I guess. Now, my dog would have no issue with another dog, as she's trained to ignore them, but it seems the officers with a k9 just avoid us. This has happened multiple times at the mall and others. So I just keep on carrying my gun. Especially with some of the major violent crime that has happened at that mall. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:07:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Dump a bottle of Hoppe's #9 or CLP onto the carpet near the entrance and watch the doggie work hard chasing everyone.  Dastardly.  |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grumpalicious: Yep, I saw that at the Kenwood Mall in Cincinnati. K9 handler said they were trained to detect guns and explosives. I wonder if I can conceal carry a really small xbow? Knives are the in thing if you're a bad actor... oh wait, the dogs don't detect them. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:35:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kychas: Don’t wear a jacket that you shoot in Or wear one and wait for the false accusations... $$$ |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:35:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270: Smell of Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270: Originally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Smell of |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:41:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captexas: Smell of Hoppes and CLP Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captexas: Originally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Smell of Hoppes and CLP Whew….for a second I thought it would be cherry balmz.
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:46:28 AM EDT
[#27]
I was just there, I had no problems. It's the guys at the doors searching bags and asking you to lift your shirt that will get you.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArrowheadBulldog: As far as I know, MN is still luckily in the group that the posted signs don't really carry any weight of the law. They can ask you to leave, and then only if you raise a stink and refuse to leave, they can trespass you for a misdemeanor, but that's about it. Shouldn't be an issue to carry there so long as you're okay with leaving if you get sniffed and asked to leave. Granted, I think the Dems are trying to change that where those signs are actually legally binding, but I don't think they've been able to shoehorn that one in yet, thankfully. With the way the MoA has degraded, an upstanding citizen carrying while peacefully going about their shopping is probably going to be low on the priority list for security to swing their dick about, compared to the probably daily scuffles amongst the groups of rowdy youths. This is correct. Signs are to be ignored except in governmental facilities and carry no weight of law. If asked to leave, leave and inform them that I fringements on the rights of law abiding citizens Wil have your money going elsewhere. That said, why would you voluntarily give money to people that hate you and your rights, much less a place like MOA that is obscenely overpriced and rife with shitheads? Don't go. If you disregard that and go anyways, load heavy. With how vibrant it is the MOA may as well be North Minneapolis. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:57:53 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By justsayin: They do that here, seen the signs in several states. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135145/9grih6u8a9v71-2193230.jpg Do they then assume the responsibility for a shopper security, if they remove the ability for the shopper to defend themself? Are we able, as the now defenseless have the right to see their security measures? Or is it a case of "Don't like it, get out" kinda thing? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:14:42 PM EDT
[#30]
As Evolv grows it will not surprise me when the bigger malls all have them at their entrances.
Especially states where it is legal to carry into a building unless someone there asks you to not carry. Using Evolv, they can stop people at the entrance and make them take their guns to the car. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:18:19 PM EDT
[#31]
The Mall of America is for kids and women. There is no circumstance in which on a day off I would feel the urge to go there.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:27:58 PM EDT
[#32]
big mall here does it now after they had a high profile shooting. no one goes there anymore.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:28:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Well malls are ghey..
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:29:16 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmxterra: Time to go to the mall dropping some powder as I walk around. This. A pinch of powder and and drop of gun oil. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:29:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Will that piss off plainclothes or off duty cops and feds?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:32:52 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dark_zero_x: I was just there, I had no problems. It's the guys at the doors searching bags and asking you to lift your shirt that will get you. See, why go anywhere that treats you like a prisoner. No you are not going to look at my gut Paul Blart. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:33:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HillaryClinton: From what I understand any government facility that bans guns can charge you (like a courthouse) but for private property like malls they will ask you to leave and if you refuse to leave at that point you can be charged with trespassing and possibly more. My rule of thumb is to carry everywhere except where metal detectors or pat-downs are expected and if I'm caught and asked to leave a private property I'm not going to argue and just leave. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HillaryClinton: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Just don’t admit to anything and tell them to get bent, they have no right to search or pat you down. Then get the F out if you’re in a place where they want to arrest people for carrying at a mall. IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. From what I understand any government facility that bans guns can charge you (like a courthouse) but for private property like malls they will ask you to leave and if you refuse to leave at that point you can be charged with trespassing and possibly more. My rule of thumb is to carry everywhere except where metal detectors or pat-downs are expected and if I'm caught and asked to leave a private property I'm not going to argue and just leave. This is state dependent - here valid no guns signs have force of law and could in theory in $1,000 fine ( likely ) and 6 mo in jail (unlikely) |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:33:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Spread a baggie worth of old crap powder outside the entrance for people to pick up on their shoes and track all over the mall.
Even go as far as spreading it inside the mall. Get a string of Black Cats and light them off. The remaining paper should have enough residue to perk up the pups. Spread that around. Fuck with them endlessly. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:34:20 PM EDT
[#39]
I wont go to a mall without my gun.
I guess I wont go to malls anymore. Oh, well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:52:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dsg2003gt: I wont go to a mall without my gun. I guess I wont go to malls anymore. Oh, well. Yup, the only exception for me is Scheel's, which is attached to a mall, in and out the store's entrance. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:14:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drerickson77: The mall is posted but there is a legal debate if a landlord can post legally. I think the argument is that every store individually would need to post. Not sure if there have been any test cases. Concealed means concealed or better yet, don't go. It usually is up to the lessee or tenant. Where Simon Property Group etc got around it is in the lease. The loophole is they write the firearm prohibition requirement into the tenant's rental agreement. Tenant cannot allow firearms, and you have to pass the posted sign to get to the store so "you're in violation". Remember, they think those signs work. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:18:51 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: This is correct. Signs are to be ignored except in governmental facilities and carry no weight of law. If asked to leave, leave and inform them that I fringements on the rights of law abiding citizens Wil have your money going elsewhere. I don't quite get the whole "except in governmental facilities" thing. The government is specifically prohibited from infringing on our 2nd amendment rights, while stores are not. Government buildings can not exclude you. (Sure I know, they have other men with guns that are willing to kill you to enforce their signs, I am talking Constitutional grounds here.) The 2nd Amendment does not apply to semi-auto rifles, nor does it apply to bolt action rifles, pistols, or revolvers. The 2nd Amendment RESTRICTS GOVERNMENT. The technology of the firearm is irrelevant. The restrictions on government remain the same, regardless of the firearm. The Second Amendment was not written to grant permission for citizens to own and bear firearms. It forbids government interference in the right to keep and bear arms, period. Or am I wrong in thinking this? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:28:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Shops at Merrick Park in Miami has signs stating they have gun-sniffing dogs. It's not your typical mall as it's all high end stores like Gucci, Tiffanys, etc.. Went with my wife a few weeks ago since she needed to return some clothes and saw the signs and a dog. The handler wasn't a LEO, he was an armed security guard. I was CC, but the dog and handler were too far away when I saw them.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:31:57 PM EDT
[#44]
Local mall has a sign saying they do. I have doubts but what is the worse they can do? Ask you to leave. I'm still carrying a gun
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:37:33 PM EDT
[#45]
People still go to malls?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:46:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vaughn4380: Polaris Mall in Columbus supposedly has similar dogs. They didn't detect anything on me when I walked by. Gang bangers won't give a fuck and will just run, or start shooting, if caught. Those legally carrying can only be asked to leave the premises, so they are technically targeting the law abiding patrons who want to spend money at the mall. Seems like a poor business model, but these days malls suck and seem to have gang banger issues. So maybe that is what they want. When did Polaris put up “no gun” signs? @vaughn4380 |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:20:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Several years ago I ccw'd a CZ Scorpion pistol with a reload under my large jacket (it was winter) at the MOA just to see if I could
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:12:58 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Same as me. Hoppes #9 |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:16:14 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeInMediocrity: People still go to malls? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:16:52 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vaughn4380: Counterpoint: -wear a jacket you shoot in (hell, dust a little loose powder in the pockets), -don't carry your gun, -get singled out by dog and searched by mall-cops, -claim it was because of your ethnicity/orientation/gender/political affiliation/deformity/autism/etc, -PROFIT!
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