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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:27:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:29:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Time to go to the mall dropping some powder as I walk around.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:30:29 PM EDT
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My local mall, the Christiana Mall in northern Delaware, has had signs for at least a few months now that they are also using gun-sniffing dogs. Seems to be the current "in thing" for security theater.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:31:13 PM EDT
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I'm there fairly regularly and haven't seen them.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:32:37 PM EDT
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Ive seen the dogs, they are there.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:33:07 PM EDT
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I know of two people, one a cop and another not that got tagged by a mall gun sniffing dog. Both were armed.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:33:27 PM EDT
[#6]
What do they hit on?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kidnap_44: Ive seen the dogs, they are there. Are they effective? Traveling there soon and seriously debating if carrying is going to be an issue. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Smell of powder |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:35:51 PM EDT
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Last time I was there I assumed they were firearm sniffer dogs and just avoided the dogs. In for more info.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:36:59 PM EDT
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Yep, I saw that at the Kenwood Mall in Cincinnati. K9 handler said they were trained to detect guns and explosives. I wonder if I can conceal carry a really small xbow?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:38:53 PM EDT
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Maybe the Mall of America is different but the malls around here have changed to the point where I'm not sure I'd want to go even if I was armed.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:38:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270: Smell of powder Smell of powder in the gun as having been shot, or smell of powder in cased ammunition? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:41:37 PM EDT
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I googled mall of america security. Do they really openly carry rifles and have a range at the mall?
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEN: I googled mall of america security. Do they really openly carry rifles and have a range at the mall? No they do not. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:52:39 PM EDT
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People still go to malls?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:00:36 PM EDT
[#17]
They have them at the Galleria in Hoover, AL
From what I understand they are trained but not law enforcement certified. IE 4th amendment concerns |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:02:19 PM EDT
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Polaris Mall in Columbus supposedly has similar dogs. They didn't detect anything on me when I walked by.
 Gang bangers won't give a fuck and will just run, or start shooting, if caught. Those legally carrying can only be asked to leave the premises, so they are technically targeting the law abiding patrons who want to spend money at the mall. Seems like a poor business model, but these days malls suck and seem to have gang banger issues. So maybe that is what they want. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:03:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Bitches, man!!! |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxFenig: They have them at the Galleria in Hoover, AL From what I understand they are trained but not law enforcement certified. IE 4th amendment concerns Wait until someone realizes they are mostly picking up on black male youths with guns. Then it will be racism. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:09:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Smell of Hoppes and CLP
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:09:14 PM EDT
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Clean and use bengay to grease your gun before you go to throw the dogs nose off
Don’t wear a jacket that you shoot in |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:10:58 PM EDT
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White House baby sniffing Pedo
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:11:05 PM EDT
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The local mall here advertises that it uses gun-sniffing dogs, but the only dogs I ever see there are the purse-rat kind.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:12:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kychas: Don’t wear a jacket that you shoot in Counterpoint: -wear a jacket you shoot in (hell, dust a little loose powder in the pockets), -don't carry your gun, -get singled out by dog and searched by mall-cops, -claim it was because of your ethnicity/orientation/gender/political affiliation/deformity/autism/etc, -PROFIT!
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vaughn4380: Wait until someone realizes they are mostly picking up on black male youths with guns. Then it will be racism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vaughn4380: Originally Posted By MaxFenig: They have them at the Galleria in Hoover, AL From what I understand they are trained but not law enforcement certified. IE 4th amendment concerns Wait until someone realizes they are mostly picking up on black male youths with guns. Then it will be racism. The Galleria shooting videos are black males. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By astro_wanabe: My local mall, the Christiana Mall in northern Delaware, has had signs for at least a few months now that they are also using gun-sniffing dogs. Seems to be the current "in thing" for security theater. Man. Talk about a heck of a way to advertise to mass murdering shooters that you are garuanteed to be a happy easy hunting ground. Despicable. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:17:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: seamasterpro]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Maybe the Mall of America is different but the malls around here have changed to the point where I'm not sure I'd want to go even if I was armed. lol its the worst mall in the state and thats saying something, full of "teens" and feels like you're in a bazaar |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:19:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Simple. I will not be shopping there.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:22:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Just don’t admit to anything and tell them to get bent, they have no right to search or pat you down. Then get the F out if you’re in a place where they want to arrest people for carrying at a mall.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:26:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Just don’t admit to anything and tell them to get bent, they have no right to search or pat you down. Then get the F out if you’re in a place where they want to arrest people for carrying at a mall. IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:31:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jupiter7]
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I will confirm as I was outed in Wolfchase Galleria in Memphis. The 4 cops and mall security approached me. It wasn't posted at any entrance that I couldn't carry. They were all real cool and were only checking the hit from the dog to confirm. I was carrying an LCR 38,at appendix, cleaned night before. One cop even said " it's Memphis mane" and shrugged his shoulders. No escort out but I'm probably not the demographic they worry about.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:33:25 PM EDT
[#33]
They do that here, seen the signs in several states.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:37:36 PM EDT
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I haven't been to a mall since they stopped having kick ass video game arcades in them.
What's the point otherwise to go to a mall? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Just don’t admit to anything and tell them to get bent, they have no right to search or pat you down. Then get the F out if you’re in a place where they want to arrest people for carrying at a mall. IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. From what I understand any government facility that bans guns can charge you (like a courthouse) but for private property like malls they will ask you to leave and if you refuse to leave at that point you can be charged with trespassing and possibly more. My rule of thumb is to carry everywhere except where metal detectors or pat-downs are expected and if I'm caught and asked to leave a private property I'm not going to argue and just leave. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Maybe the Mall of America is different but the malls around here have changed to the point where I'm not sure I'd want to go even if I was armed. MoA is no different.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:47:48 PM EDT
[#37]
I wouldn't confirm I had a gun if the dog hit in me. All they can so is ask you to leave.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: I know of two people, one a cop and another not that got tagged by a mall gun sniffing dog. Both were armed. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:08:17 AM EDT
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Simon Malls has them and I can confirm that they did hit on my kids diaper bag. Told them I wasnt carrying and that the bag does on occasion have a gun in it, and they said that was fine, he probably hit on that and told me to have a good day. I'm a white 43 year old with a toddler, so I probably wasnt the droids they were looking for. Not disclosing whether I had one in the bag or on my person at the time. Now TSA apparently got a hit on fertilizer residue on a stroller that had been in the bed of my truck a week before the trip. Stroller had been rinsed off once, and through a torrential downpour in Orlando, and it still apparently registered.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:13:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: IDK the laws on the area. Can you lose your CCW or right to carry if you go armed somewhere that private owners don't want you to? The places converting CCW licenses over to allow you to carry where private people say don't do it seems interesting. In OK, it falls under business owners rights, just like a no shoes no shirt policy. They can ask you to leave, but thats all. Most would probably call PD and have them ask. Refusal is a trespassing citation. Most cops arent gonna push that unless you (or they) are a total tool. So no, not gonna lose your CCW or right to carry. We have constitutional carry anyways, so how can they take away a permit you dont even have? Hell, county officer at our local mall saw a guy open carrying and the mall is posted, and he just told him to cover it up because he'd rather the guy have it on him than left in the car. Now in TX, if its signage that meets the legal requirements, often referred to as a 30.06 sign, as thats the statute it falls under, its a little more serious, its a class c misdemeanor. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:03:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HillaryClinton: From what I understand any government facility that bans guns can charge you (like a courthouse) but for private property like malls they will ask you to leave and if you refuse to leave at that point you can be charged with trespassing and possibly more. My rule of thumb is to carry everywhere except where metal detectors or pat-downs are expected and if I'm caught and asked to leave a private property I'm not going to argue and just leave. Originally Posted By bigfugly: In OK, it falls under business owners rights, just like a no shoes no shirt policy. They can ask you to leave, but thats all. Most would probably call PD and have them ask. Refusal is a trespassing citation. Most cops arent gonna push that unless you (or they) are a total tool. So no, not gonna lose your CCW or right to carry. We have constitutional carry anyways, so how can they take away a permit you dont even have? Hell, county officer at our local mall saw a guy open carrying and the mall is posted, and he just told him to cover it up because he'd rather the guy have it on him than left in the car. Now in TX, if its signage that meets the legal requirements, often referred to as a 30.06 sign, as thats the statute it falls under, its a little more serious, its a class c misdemeanor. Thanks for the replies. 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:53:57 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: What do they hit on? Hoppe's #9 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:59:20 AM EDT
[#43]
Not so sure about how this is going to work out. IIRC "This is my rifle, this is my gun..." |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:04:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By astro_wanabe: My local mall, the Christiana Mall in northern Delaware, has had signs for at least a few months now that they are also using gun-sniffing dogs. Seems to be the current "in thing" for security theater. I've seen IR or thermal pictures and AI/ML that can spot a gun just from the cool spot against your clothes. Vegas is apparently starting to roll them out. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:06:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vaughn4380: Counterpoint: -wear a jacket you shoot in (hell, dust a little loose powder in the pockets), -don't carry your gun, -get singled out by dog and searched by mall-cops, -claim it was because of your ethnicity/orientation/gender/political affiliation/deformity/autism/etc, -PROFIT! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vaughn4380: Originally Posted By kychas: Don’t wear a jacket that you shoot in Counterpoint: -wear a jacket you shoot in (hell, dust a little loose powder in the pockets), -don't carry your gun, -get singled out by dog and searched by mall-cops, -claim it was because of your ethnicity/orientation/gender/political affiliation/deformity/autism/etc, -PROFIT! "Is it because I'm Irish? Do I look like a member of the IRA to you?! The troubles ended years ago!" Kharn |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:12:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lorax]
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LOL.
I like how they say that people do not even know what the dog is doing, yet the handler pays out the toy reward by throwing it at the persons back.  I work my girl on and off leash. She's a gentle, sweet girl who wouldn't harm anyone. But...... She's a beast when she gets her toy reward. I have to make sure nothing valuable or anyone is in the way. She has knocked over a few people. And yes,I learned at the training facility I use for my dog that those dogs are trained on solvent, oils and burnt powder residue. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:28:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By astro_wanabe: My local mall, the Christiana Mall in northern Delaware, has had signs for at least a few months now that they are also using gun-sniffing dogs. Seems to be the current "in thing" for security theater. @astro_wannabe They've had them since the food court shooting. Christiana went from being a high end mall to hood rat central. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:31:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEN: I googled mall of america security. Do they really openly carry rifles and have a range at the mall? Some Police on foot patrol in the mall carry AR carbines. No range that I am aware of. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:31:58 AM EDT
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Dump a bottle of Hoppe's #9 or CLP onto the carpet near the entrance and watch the doggie work hard chasing everyone.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgaper: @astro_wannabe They've had them since the food court shooting. Christiana went from being a high end mall to hood rat central. Lenox Mall in Atlanta used to be the same, but has gone down hill........there are metal detectors all over the place |
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