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Posted: 4/12/2024 5:36:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:46:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MrMackey]
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:51:39 AM EDT
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Neat if true. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:51:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: feetpiece]
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Originally Posted By GBTX01:
Neat if true. I mean how can you build an anti ballistic missile system without having a state of the art stealth target exceeding the payload of a potential threat... Click To View Spoiler 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:08:53 AM EDT
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Jewish rust never sleeps
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:30:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Iran says no retaliation planned, as both sides seek distance from Isfahan attack. National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir..tweeted the single word “lame!”. Link to article Lot of chicken sh1+ coming from both Iran and Israel if this report is to be believed. Not the earthquake Bibi spoke of by any stretch of the imagination. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:34:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueenDeNile: Why would anyone want war? I believe Israel should protect itself either reactively or proactively but I don't believe that the US should we in the middle of this. The Middle East needs us more than we need them. I don't want my son fighting in Iran. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueenDeNile: Originally Posted By madmathew: Originally Posted By southerncross: Westerners don't have the stomach for total war anymore. This has been true for many of the conflicts/wars that the US has gotten tangled up in. Vietnam onward. Too many little shit countries eating up our people and resources for debatable returns when we get involved. If American people or assets are targeted then fine. Follow General Sherman's lead. Otherwise I'd think long and hard about getting involved. Old George Washington was right. Beware of foreign entanglements. That being said, I do support Israel and wish them victory. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RonGonzo: Yes Not sure why people are having such a hard time with this. They did a similar face saving strike after Solemani. Israel responds with a fairly minor attack of their own and everyone can chill tf out for a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RonGonzo: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: To save face, for their proxies, for their enemies, and for internal consumption. Yes Not sure why people are having such a hard time with this. They did a similar face saving strike after Solemani. Israel responds with a fairly minor attack of their own and everyone can chill tf out for a while. Precisely. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:12:11 PM EDT
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Seems to have been a bit of a technical demonstration (using older tech for emphasis).
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:12:46 PM EDT
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Iran backing down is the smart move....they will either choose to not respond to the latest round (or publicly deny any response that actually happens) and then when Israel makes its next strike, the western media vilifies Israel for striking a party that had already conceded. At that point, all eyes get focused on the US to see who we back. Biden has no choice at that point but to back Iran and condemn Israel.
None of this will surprise me. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:23:54 PM EDT
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Biden will echo his current string puller Obama.
In my 2nd term...I'll have more flexibility... |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:36:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BM1455]
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pavil58ar: This has been true for many of the conflicts/wars that the US has gotten tangled up in. Vietnam onward. Too many little shit countries eating up our people and resources for debatable returns when we get involved. If American people or assets are targeted then fine. Follow General Sherman's lead. Otherwise I'd think long and hard about getting involved. Old George Washington was right. Beware of foreign entanglements. That being said, I do support Israel and wish them victory. Our military and leaders lack Sherman's resolve. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:43:32 PM EDT
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damn I just read in the news only therad that the Izzies had some shit that just completely went undetected by the Russian AA systems...
 Russia, China and their Ilk should be shitting their pants right about now. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:44:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macro: Iran backing down is the smart move....they will either choose to not respond to the latest round (or publicly deny any response that actually happens) and then when Israel makes its next strike, the western media vilifies Israel for striking a party that had already conceded. At that point, all eyes get focused on the US to see who we back. Biden has no choice at that point but to back Iran and condemn Israel. None of this will surprise me. I doubt there will be further strikes. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:45:55 PM EDT
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One of the talking heads I listened to yesterday said, before the retaliation attacks, that someone at the White House leaked that if Israel keeps their attacks at a very small scale they'll not push back against them invading Rafah. In that context in makes a lot more sense.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:55:43 PM EDT
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NO EXTENSIVE DAMAGE SEEN AT ISFAHAN AIR BASE IN SATELLITE IMAGES: CNN There does not appear to be any extensive damage at an air base purportedly targeted by an Israeli military strike, according to exclusive satellite images obtained by CNN from Umbra Space. The synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellite images were taken around 10:18 a.m. local time. There does not appear to be any large craters in the ground and there are no apparent destroyed buildings. Additional visual satellite imagery will be needed to check for burn scars – which cannot be seen by SAR images -- around the complex. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:00:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fisherman: Lot of chicken sh1+ coming from both Iran and Israel if this report is to be believed. Not the earthquake Bibi spoke of by any stretch of the imagination. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fisherman: Originally Posted By michigan66: Iran says no retaliation planned, as both sides seek distance from Isfahan attack. National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir..tweeted the single word “lame!”. Link to article Lot of chicken sh1+ coming from both Iran and Israel if this report is to be believed. Not the earthquake Bibi spoke of by any stretch of the imagination. This “attack” showed Iran how vulnerable they are to Israeli weapons. While from the outside this doesn’t seem like much, this was an earthquake to Iranian leaders. They know Israel can get them, any time, any place now. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:05:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castlebravo84]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
NO EXTENSIVE DAMAGE SEEN AT ISFAHAN AIR BASE IN SATELLITE IMAGES: CNN There does not appear to be any extensive damage at an air base purportedly targeted by an Israeli military strike, according to exclusive satellite images obtained by CNN from Umbra Space. The synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellite images were taken around 10:18 a.m. local time. There does not appear to be any large craters in the ground and there are no apparent destroyed buildings. Additional visual satellite imagery will be needed to check for burn scars – which cannot be seen by SAR images -- around the complex. If they were targeting air defense systems, they would have likely used air burst frag warheads that don't leave craters. Even the radars themselves might look normal from sat images, but up close they would be full of small holes. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: One of the talking heads I listened to yesterday said, before the retaliation attacks, that someone at the White House leaked that if Israel keeps their attacks at a very small scale they'll not push back against them invading Rafah. In that context in makes a lot more sense. Getting Iran to be quiet while they finish Rafah would be useful. I don't see the WH being ok with IDF going into Rafah since it will drive their Hamas base nuts. And what I heard was that the WH was ok with an attack on Iran if the Rafah thing didn't happen. That makes sense to me, but who knows. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:33:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Getting Iran to be quiet while they finish Rafah would be useful. I don't see the WH being ok with IDF going into Rafah since it will drive their Hamas base nuts. And what I heard was that the WH was ok with an attack on Iran if the Rafah thing didn't happen. That makes sense to me, but who knows. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: One of the talking heads I listened to yesterday said, before the retaliation attacks, that someone at the White House leaked that if Israel keeps their attacks at a very small scale they'll not push back against them invading Rafah. In that context in makes a lot more sense. Getting Iran to be quiet while they finish Rafah would be useful. I don't see the WH being ok with IDF going into Rafah since it will drive their Hamas base nuts. And what I heard was that the WH was ok with an attack on Iran if the Rafah thing didn't happen. That makes sense to me, but who knows. Based on their current SOP they'll bluster about doing this or that and ultimately do nothing in the hopes that the pro Hamas wing of the party takes strong words as enough, yeah right. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:37:31 PM EDT
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Israel basically put Iran in their place. Iran is backing off. Israel basically showed the world they are beholden to no one, and can destroy Irans infrastructure with minimal effort. Iran talked a big talk, launched a huge barrage of weapons, made little impact. Sort of like poking the bear. Fortunately, Israel just basically put them in their place, gave them a little spanking, and made it very clear that Iran better be careful, as Israel could have just as easily destroyed their entire nuclear program and military infrastructure…. Restraint, not sure many could do that.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garanditis: I believe Israel is prepping the battle space. Israel never merely responds, they make a loud and clear statement. In my opinion, this is just the start of their response. Fingers crossed |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tgmr05: Israel basically put Iran in their place. Iran is backing off. Israel basically showed the world they are beholden to no one, and can destroy Irans infrastructure with minimal effort. Iran talked a big talk, launched a huge barrage of weapons, made little impact. Sort of like poking the bear. Fortunately, Israel just basically put them in their place, gave them a little spanking, and made it very clear that Iran better be careful, as Israel could have just as easily destroyed their entire nuclear program and military infrastructure…. Restraint, not sure many could do that. You left out basically. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:49:17 PM EDT
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This region has been in war and conflict for nearly 5,000 years!
The crap never ends… Canaanite vs Egyptian. Israelite vs Canaanite. Israelite vs Jesubite. Philistine vs Israelite. Egyptian vs Jew. Roman vs Jew. Arab vs Arab. Jew vs Arab. Jew vs Palestinian (né Canaanite). Rinse and repeat. Well, FFS enough! It is time for the world to step back and let them all Battle Royale it out, or let their God’s figure it out. One of the two. Because if they cannot find peace amongst themselves, no one from outside ever will. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sturmgewehr-58: You left out basically. Basically, yes, I basically did. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tgmr05: Israel basically put Iran in their place. Iran is backing off. Israel basically showed the world they are beholden to no one, and can destroy Irans infrastructure with minimal effort. Iran talked a big talk, launched a huge barrage of weapons, made little impact. Sort of like poking the bear. Fortunately, Israel just basically put them in their place, gave them a little spanking, and made it very clear that Iran better be careful, as Israel could have just as easily destroyed their entire nuclear program and military infrastructure…. Restraint, not sure many could do that. Cuts both ways. Iran sent Israel a warning. The 300 drones were slow moving and they gave all parties hours of advanced notice. They threw about 40 missiles in the mix and those were the targeting weapon. The drones were never intended to have any mass destructive effect - they were largely decoys and sent to saturate the air defenses while massively drawing down their missile caches. The drones Iran uses are cheap, easy, and fast to make - the Iron Dome guided interceptor missiles are not. That said, don’t be lulled into thinking Iran does not have the capability to strike Israel’s nuclear plant. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:04:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Cuts both ways. Iran sent Israel a warning. The 300 drones were slow moving and they gave all parties hours of advanced notice. They threw about 40 missiles in the mix and those were the targeting weapon. The drones were never intended to have any mass destructive effect - they were largely decoys and sent to saturate the air defenses while massively drawing down their missile caches. The drones Iran uses are cheap, easy, and fast to make - the Iron Dome guided interceptor missiles are not. That said, don’t be lulled into thinking Iran does not have the capability to strike Israel’s nuclear plant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Originally Posted By tgmr05: Israel basically put Iran in their place. Iran is backing off. Israel basically showed the world they are beholden to no one, and can destroy Irans infrastructure with minimal effort. Iran talked a big talk, launched a huge barrage of weapons, made little impact. Sort of like poking the bear. Fortunately, Israel just basically put them in their place, gave them a little spanking, and made it very clear that Iran better be careful, as Israel could have just as easily destroyed their entire nuclear program and military infrastructure…. Restraint, not sure many could do that. Cuts both ways. Iran sent Israel a warning. The 300 drones were slow moving and they gave all parties hours of advanced notice. They threw about 40 missiles in the mix and those were the targeting weapon. The drones were never intended to have any mass destructive effect - they were largely decoys and sent to saturate the air defenses while massively drawing down their missile caches. The drones Iran uses are cheap, easy, and fast to make - the Iron Dome guided interceptor missiles are not. That said, don’t be lulled into thinking Iran does not have the capability to strike Israel’s nuclear plant. “Drone economics” is a two way conversation as well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: “Drone economics” is a two way conversation as well. Agree. But Iran has made substantial capital investment in inexpensive medium range one-way drones and has built up a rather stout stockpile. Notwithstanding their export sales to Russia. Israel to date has not. They followed the true UAV strike package philosophy of use, much like the US. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:28:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Cuts both ways. Iran sent Israel a warning. The 300 drones were slow moving and they gave all parties hours of advanced notice. They threw about 40 missiles in the mix and those were the targeting weapon. The drones were never intended to have any mass destructive effect - they were largely decoys and sent to saturate the air defenses while massively drawing down their missile caches. The drones Iran uses are cheap, easy, and fast to make - the Iron Dome guided interceptor missiles are not. That said, don’t be lulled into thinking Iran does not have the capability to strike Israel’s nuclear plant. Israel did war shit in space…and it worked. The drone shit cuts both ways. You don’t think Israel can’t play that game…probably much better? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meestermurphy: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/398DC2C4-C243-491D-9538-5023FF81D6F2_jpe-3191684.JPG Better there than here, but the mullahs seem to have sent several thousand of the most devoted to the prophet through our southern border to set something up anyway, courtesy Pedo Joe and his puppeteers. It’ll be here soon enough |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:41:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Agree. But Iran has made substantial capital investment in inexpensive medium range one-way drones and has built up a rather stout stockpile. Notwithstanding their export sales to Russia. Israel to date has not. They followed the true UAV strike package philosophy of use, much like the US. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Originally Posted By fike: “Drone economics” is a two way conversation as well. Agree. But Iran has made substantial capital investment in inexpensive medium range one-way drones and has built up a rather stout stockpile. Notwithstanding their export sales to Russia. Israel to date has not. They followed the true UAV strike package philosophy of use, much like the US. When it turns into an actual gloves off throw down, they are really only just terror weapons that Israel will just ignore for any target beyond military locations. They said as much during the lead up to the Iranian attack. The Israelis were making jokes about having a six hour lead time. They are a very hardened citizenry (both physically and mentally). Beyond that, the world hasn’t been sitting still with defense options and tactics. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:45:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PoiDog: He's wondering where his pudding is. It's running behind.  Phrasing!!!! |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:48:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fives]
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If Iran had an advantage think they would back off? They are just buying time to up their game. When that happens (whether through Axis support or with Nuclear capabilities) they will come back and finish the job. If israel is done, they are foolish for not sending Irans nuclear program back to the stone age. It will only be harder to do that later
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Seems to have been a bit of a technical demonstration (using older tech for emphasis).
laying the groundwork for the follow strike at Natanz. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench: Israel did war shit in space…and it worked. The drone shit cuts both ways. You don’t think Israel can’t play that game…probably much better? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench: Originally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Cuts both ways. Iran sent Israel a warning. The 300 drones were slow moving and they gave all parties hours of advanced notice. They threw about 40 missiles in the mix and those were the targeting weapon. The drones were never intended to have any mass destructive effect - they were largely decoys and sent to saturate the air defenses while massively drawing down their missile caches. The drones Iran uses are cheap, easy, and fast to make - the Iron Dome guided interceptor missiles are not. That said, don’t be lulled into thinking Iran does not have the capability to strike Israel’s nuclear plant. Israel did war shit in space…and it worked. The drone shit cuts both ways. You don’t think Israel can’t play that game…probably much better? Israel is also a leader in directed energy weapons. The argument of "expensive missiles" for slow moving targets will disappear sooner than later. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Seems to have been a bit of a technical demonstration (using older tech for emphasis).
Now hit the nuke facility… |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BM1455: Well Fox news is reporting that the lights are on in the oval office which means that someone either flipped the switch or we are one step closer to fucking up the situation even more than it already is. Janitorial staff, I'm sure.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:41:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord:
What happened to: "Our response will be much larger that tonight's military action if Israel retaliates against Iran"? Now that Russia is saying they don't want an "escalation" sounds like the swamp has been in touch with Putey. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PDP_Main]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: If Iran had an advantage think they would back off? They are just buying time to up their game. When that happens (whether through Axis support or with Nuclear capabilities) they will come back and finish the job. If israel is done, they are foolish for not sending Irans nuclear program back to the stone age. It will only be harder to do that later I once worked with a guy who saw himself as a foreign policy expert. Trying to sound smart, he once said, "I think the Arab world could beat Israel right now", to which I reply, "apparently they don't agree", "why do you say that", "because as soon as they think they can, war will break out". That which seems to be obvious to some of us, escapes the intelligent wannabees. No doubt Iran doesn't think they have the advantage right now. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Elijah1: This "attack" showed Iran how vulnerable they are to Israeli weapons. While from the outside this doesn't seem like much, this was an earthquake to Iranian leaders. They know Israel can get them, any time, any place now. Better yet it let Israel know for sure they can take out Iran anytime they choose |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI posted that on Facebook......waiting to see how long I have before they try to ban me |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robmkivseries70: Janitorial staff, I'm sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robmkivseries70: Originally Posted By BM1455: Well Fox news is reporting that the lights are on in the oval office which means that someone either flipped the switch or we are one step closer to fucking up the situation even more than it already is. Janitorial staff, I'm sure. Cleaning up after Joe shit the bed |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fisherman: Lot of chicken sh1+ coming from both Iran and Israel if this report is to be believed. Not the earthquake Bibi spoke of by any stretch of the imagination. You only shake the ground until aggressor backs down if you're in Israel's position. They can't fight as large war on two fronts. When they get done with the Palestinian animals in their own country , then they can concentrate on Iran. And they will. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:43:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcav8r: Phrasing!!!! Good point!
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: This region has been in war and conflict for nearly 5,000 years! The crap never ends… Canaanite vs Egyptian. Israelite vs Canaanite. Israelite vs Jesubite. Philistine vs Israelite. Egyptian vs Jew. Roman vs Jew. Arab vs Arab. Jew vs Arab. Jew vs Palestinian (né Canaanite). Rinse and repeat. Well, FFS enough! It is time for the world to step back and let them all Battle Royale it out, or let their God’s figure it out. One of the two. Because if they cannot find peace amongst themselves, no one from outside ever will. There's a video for that:  This Land Is Mine |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Cuts both ways. Iran sent Israel a warning. The 300 drones were slow moving and they gave all parties hours of advanced notice. They threw about 40 missiles in the mix and those were the targeting weapon. The drones were never intended to have any mass destructive effect - they were largely decoys and sent to saturate the air defenses while massively drawing down their missile caches. The drones Iran uses are cheap, easy, and fast to make - the Iron Dome guided interceptor missiles are not. That said, don’t be lulled into thinking Iran does not have the capability to strike Israel’s nuclear plant. I wonder though, given the very low speeds involved, if an older cheaper technology could be used against them instead of these expensive missiles. Something like the electronic warfare anti-drone tech that could be easier to employ. Also something like the phalanx system could be perimeter based creating overlapping fields of fire. Cheaper than missiles and saves the heavy and expensive stuff for the more advanced weapons. My dad was an AA gunner in the 5th Army. He could (and did) shoot down faster planes than the Iranian drones. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:01:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:03:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1AEGW]
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Round 2 happening? Iranian backed militia base just exploded in Iraq.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:17:31 PM EDT
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