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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:00:36 PM EDT
Did them fellas all truly die of polar bear and food poisoning?
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Poisoned the polar bear.
Ate it. And then died of food poisoned polar bear food poisoning. |
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Quoted: Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Vitamin A is present in the liver of polar bears in such high quantities that it becomes toxic. It's possible that it has infiltrated the entire carcass, but there are stories of people who eat polar bear without ill effect IF they avoid the liver. |
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Quoted: Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? View Quote The Andree polar balloon expedition. They died from eating raw polar bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9e's_Arctic_balloon_expedition |
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Also if you eat polar Bear Liver, it will kill you with an overdose of vitamin A, weird I know but true.
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They died of a bunch of different things. They weren't going to make it out of the Arctic. That was a long and cold season.
Some of them turned to cannibalism. Allegedly, if you can believe things like sworn eyewitness testimony and forensic examination of skeletal remains. |
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Quoted: They died of a bunch of different things. They weren't going to make it out of the Arctic. That was a long and cold season. Some of them turned to cannibalism. Allegedly, if you can believe things like sworn eyewitness testimony and forensic examination of skeletal remains. View Quote This is what I understand, based on my extensive experience of 1 podcast. Dudes were eating boot leather and ropes (and each other) after their tinned rations spoiled and 2+ years of their boats being trapped in the ice. |
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From what I recall there was led used to seal their canned food and possibly led in the water supply.
Either way their descent into madness lines up with led poisoning. There is a historical fiction season on Amazon "The Terror" that seems to fill in the blanks fairly well. *with some minor poetic licensing with the last episode. |
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Quoted: Food tainted by lead also. View Quote Yep. Canned food was a fairly new invention at the time. They put a lot of faith in the power of technology to brute force their way through the Northwest Passage. I'll never forget a scene in a PBS Nova episode about it where they had someone saying about the canned food in a pompous English accent. "It will nourish us through winter, spring and summer!" The admiralty had wanted the Northwest Passage for centuries. By Jove they were going to get it or die trying. |
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And it should be mentioned the canned food was produced by a foreign nation iirc
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Traveling in northern Canada, in a wooden boat, for a few years, trying to find an unknown passage, had to take testicles of enormous size
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Quoted: From what I recall there was led used to seal their canned food and possibly led in the water supply. Either way their descent into madness lines up with led poisoning. There is a historical fiction season on Amazon "The Terror" that seems to fill in the blanks fairly well. *with some minor poetic licensing with the last episode. View Quote Read the book first. It's much better (isn't this always the case?), though it's really cool how the series brought back to life the inside of both ships |
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Quoted: Traveling in northern Canada, in a wooden boat, for a few years, trying to find an unknown passage, had to take testicles of enormous size View Quote Their commander had years of experience with previous Artic expeditions. He died fairly early in the thing. The rest of them had varying levels of experience and training. With their ships wrecked some of the survivors set off overland dragging a lifeboat full of all sorts of nonsense like a tea set. I feel it's a very British story. All things considered. |
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Get the book “Frozen in time” by Beatty. A 1988 expedition to Baffin Island and exhumation of 4 graves of the sailors on the 1845 expedition. Pathological exams of the tissue from the sailors indicated lead poisoning of those guys. Fascinating book.
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Quoted: Their commander had years of experience with previous Artic expeditions. He died fairly early in the thing. The rest of them had varying levels of experience and training. With their ships wrecked some of the survivors set off overland dragging a lifeboat full of all sorts of nonsense like a tea set. I feel it's a very British story. All things considered. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Traveling in northern Canada, in a wooden boat, for a few years, trying to find an unknown passage, had to take testicles of enormous size Their commander had years of experience with previous Artic expeditions. He died fairly early in the thing. The rest of them had varying levels of experience and training. With their ships wrecked some of the survivors set off overland dragging a lifeboat full of all sorts of nonsense like a tea set. I feel it's a very British story. All things considered. Yeah it definitely took balls, but since it was the Brits the approach is more like eh, send more ships with more men and get it done already (except wih the command coming from a king or his military captains in wigs a pompous gay uniforms yelling expletives in a stupid accent ) Oh your boys died? Send more and make sure they come back with results, damn it! Lead tainted food? Fuck it, we're already half retarded anyways, no loss. Carry on lads. I have a ton of respect for the guys that actually went on the crazy expeditions under the flags of many countries but the truth is they weren't all renowned adventurers, some were just shitbags, laborers, etc. They (all countries, at that time) weren't going to pay a whole crew of big shots, they paid a few big shots to command a rag tag group. Weird and dumb shit happened. |
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Quoted: The Andree polar balloon expedition. They died from eating raw polar bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9e's_Arctic_balloon_expedition View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? The Andree polar balloon expedition. They died from eating raw polar bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9e's_Arctic_balloon_expedition Read what you posted. They died of Morphine OD and Polar Bear attack. |
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I'm not extremely familiar with all the particulars of the Terror but it just struck me that the British method of world exploration was quite similar to the Russian model of warfare in past wars. If you have a problem, just throw more bodies at it. The difference is that the Brits had an empire and money.
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HMS Terror, in her earlier roll for the Royal Navy was a bomb ketch at the Battle of Baltimore bombardment of Ft McHenry in 1814...where she was anchored just upstream from the future location of the Key Bridge that collapsed the other day.
She's a shipwreck full of history. |
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Quoted: Lead too. Also botulism in local wildlife. Started eating each other out of madness / desperation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Botulism tainted rations also got some of them. Lead too. Also botulism in local wildlife. Started eating each other out of madness / desperation. Food cans were soldered with lead and I believe the water pump was all lead piping. A lot of lead. |
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It was the mercury in the polar bear.
BTW, the HMS Terror I'm familiar with is a monitor. |
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See the series "The Terror". We loved it. Based on the true story, but the show throws in a supernatural menace, which only makes sense near the end. The actor who plays the Capt. is outstanding. The other characters too. Creeped us out. Thumbs up.
Spoiler alert: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/26/17163368/the-terror-review-amc-dan-simmons-jared-harris |
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Quoted: HMS Terror, in her earlier roll for the Royal Navy was a bomb ketch at the Battle of Baltimore bombardment of Ft McHenry in 1814...where she was anchored just upstream from the future location of the Key Bridge that collapsed the other day. She's a shipwreck full of history. View Quote There was also the Erubus. |
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Quoted: Did them fellas all truly die of polar bear and food poisoning? View Quote Does a polar bear shit in the arctic? |
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“The Terror” was a pretty good show.
Creepy and binge-worthy. Attached File Jared Harris is a damn good actor that no one knows but everyone recognizes. Attached File |
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Early polar expeditions used lead solder to seal cans lead leached into the food and sailor's went mad. I forget what expedition it was but IIRC they found 20 guys on Baffin Island that lost their way due to being mentally incapacitated. Among other things
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Quoted: Early polar expeditions used lead solder to seal cans lead leached into the food and sailor's went mad. I forget what expedition it was but IIRC they found 20 guys on Baffin Island that lost their way due to being mentally incapacitated. Among other things View Quote A few of the 129 men may.Lead poison couldn't have killed em all. Some of em had to got killed by something else. The enlisted men certainly weren't, they were not fed that well |
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NOVA did a show in 2015 about it. In 2014 a Canadian expedition found the Erebus underwater, eh? Recommended.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/arctic-ghost-ship/ |
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Quoted: I don't think lead poisoning could have killed that many men. The 800 miles maybe. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Read the book first. It's much better (isn't this always the case?), though it's really cool how the series brought back to life the inside of both ships I don't think lead poisoning could have killed that many men. The 800 miles maybe. Lead poisoning, plus the effects of decisions made while experiencing lead poisoning, while in an environment where there is a moderate chance of death even if you do everything right, certainly could. |
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Quoted: NOVA did a show in 2015 about it. In 2014 a Canadian expedition found the Erebus underwater, eh? Recommended. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/arctic-ghost-ship/ View Quote I appreciate that. I just only watched the series. Something killed them but it was not lead poisoning. |
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