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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:11:04 PM EDT
If China strikes US assets as part of their campaign against Taiwan, should America fight back or withdraw from the Pacific?
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:22:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost: If China strikes US assets as part of their campaign against Taiwan, should America fight back or withdraw from the Pacific? How many world wars and millions have to be fought and have to die before you people stop fighting and dying for bankers? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:22:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KillerDyller: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/244654/Capture_PNG-3170116.JPG |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: How many world wars and millions have to be fought and have to die before you people stop fighting and dying for bankers? We have assets on Guam that are likely to be targeted immediately by China if they invade Taiwan. Is it your opinion we should withdraw all assets from the Pacific preemptively so we can be sure our assets won't be struck? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:37:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:41:07 PM EDT
[#6]
I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:42:32 PM EDT
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Simple flowchart for me.
Is the invaded area a US State or Territory? If Yes => War. If No => No war. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:43:19 PM EDT
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the merican draft for WWIII with china and/or russia is gonna be epic.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:45:18 PM EDT
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If China makes a move on Taiwan, whether they strike US forces preemptively or not, the US should use overwhelming military force against China, up to and including nuclear weapons.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: If China makes a move on Taiwan, whether they strike US forces preemptively or not, the US should use overwhelming military force against China, up to and including nuclear weapons. Waingro : I had to get it on. He was making a move. *I had to get it on.* |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:52:06 PM EDT
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I have been in two wars in my short life of 55 years old
We dont need to kill any more of our kids to do nothing in the end but get rubber dog shit cheaper |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:52:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C3H5N3O9]
[#12]
What does a war with China in defense of Taiwan look like? Is it limited to conventional arms, or does it go nuclear? How long does that take? Is the object to hold Taiwan until China gives up, or does the US invade? How long would we be able to sustain the conflict? If the US parks a carrier battle group off the shore of Taiwan and China starts launching missiles at it, I don’t see many scenarios where nukes don’t start flying.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. For the purposes of this thread, remember China has struck US assets and destroyed them pre-emptively as part of their invasion. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crazyascanbe: I have been in two wars in my short life of 55 years old We dont need to kill any more of our kids to do nothing in the end but get rubber dog shit cheaper |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C3H5N3O9: What does a war with China in defense of Taiwan look like? Is it limited to conventional arms, or does it go nuclear? How long does that take? Is the object to hold Taiwan until China gives up, or does the US invade? How long would we be able to sustain the conflict? If the US parks a carrier battle group off the shore of Taiwan and China starts launching missiles at it, I don't see many scenarios where nukes don't start flying. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:58:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: No one knows where it will end. Everyone should recognize there is a good chance China will choose to involve us unless we completely leave the Pacific and become much more isolationist. China state news already said no USN or military west of Hawaii - Guam is a U.S. territory- they don’t care |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crazyascanbe: I have been in two wars in my short life of 55 years old We dont need to kill any more of our kids to do nothing in the end but get rubber dog shit cheaper 3nm microchips aren’t exactly rubber dog shit nor is security for South Korea and Japan 2 of our top 10 trade partners. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: the merican draft for WWIII with china and/or russia is gonna be epic. They need a draft just for Iran let alone either of those but a draft is not palatable to the US public |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: No one knows where it will end. Everyone should recognize there is a good chance China will choose to involve us unless we completely leave the Pacific and become much more isolationist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: What does a war with China in defense of Taiwan look like? Is it limited to conventional arms, or does it go nuclear? How long does that take? Is the object to hold Taiwan until China gives up, or does the US invade? How long would we be able to sustain the conflict? If the US parks a carrier battle group off the shore of Taiwan and China starts launching missiles at it, I don't see many scenarios where nukes don't start flying. They’re in Africa also, so we’d have to really pull back. We’d have to renege on a lot of promises in the area as well. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:04:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. War or no war China attempting a military take over of Taiwan results in global depression not recession, depression as in 1930s style America not Obama 2009-2016 A Great Depression, 7 to 10 trillion economic loss and trade with Japan and South Korea lost for the rest of the century https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-09/economy-risks-latest-taiwan-war-would-cost-world-10-trillion  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:05:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: How many world wars and millions have to be fought and have to die before you people stop fighting and dying for bankers? At a bare minimum 87% of GD would not be involved in any fighting against China. Honestly more like 99.9% |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:10:14 PM EDT
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Yes, we should!
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:11:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:12:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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It won't matter how we feel about it. If China moves on Taiwan.... They're going to strike American bases and assets in an attempt to diminish any quick response they think we'll make.
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:13:08 PM EDT
[#25]
America had to win at home first, looks like we lost.
So Taiwan is SOL |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:27:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: War or no war China attempting a military take over of Taiwan results in global depression not recession, depression as in 1930s style America not Obama 2009-2016 A Great Depression, 7 to 10 trillion economic loss and trade with Japan and South Korea lost for the rest of the century https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-09/economy-risks-latest-taiwan-war-would-cost-world-10-trillion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1678_jpeg-3170201.JPG China doesn’t even have to succeed and Japan projects their economy shrinks 30% in the first month and almost 50% after 6 weeks https://www.pacom.mil/About-USINDOPACOM/USPACOM-Area-of-Responsibility/  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:07:00 PM EDT
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If China strikes our Navy who are near Taiwan and we counter by striking their Navy the question is does it remain a Naval conflict. If we strike China's mainland they will no doubt strike the US mainland and that could kick it all off. America has not had war here and today's Americans do not know real hardship.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:26:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: They need a draft just for Iran let alone either of those but a draft is not palatable to the US public 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:30:55 PM EDT
[#29]
We're broke.
Stop buying Chinese sh*t and implode them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:35:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DragoMuseveni]
[#30]
Samsung or TSMC.
You can only pick 1. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:39:07 PM EDT
[#31]
Let's rephrase it to be more honest.
Are you willing to die to defend Taiwan? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:42:32 PM EDT
[#32]
If only Taiwan would let its citizens put a rifle behind every blade of grass.
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USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:45:24 PM EDT
[#33]
We need to recognize who our true enemies in the world are who would love nothing more than to see our downfall and are actively working to try to make it happen. China and Russia are certainly among them. War is ugly, in so many ways, but letting your enemies expand beyond their own borders is sitting back and watching your own destruction in progress. Good people will die; awful people will benefit, but to look the other way as your enemy gains momentum is nothing short of foolish. Neville Chamberlain is someone more people need to be familiar with.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:47:41 PM EDT
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Fuck taiwan. Fuck china. Fuck iran. Fuck ukraine. Fuck russia. Fuck israel. Fuck Palestine. Fuck all of them.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:48:52 PM EDT
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I don't lump Taiwan and other countries in the same basket.
Ideology is one thing. You can agree or disagree with a country and defend them based on that or not. However, we rely heavily on Taiwan for our technology, which matters a lot more in the long run than ideology. If you want to be selfish, you should want to defend them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:49:02 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crazyascanbe: I have been in two wars in my short life of 55 years old We dont need to kill any more of our kids to do nothing in the end but get rubber dog shit cheaper |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DADGAD: We need to recognize who our true enemies in the world are who would love nothing more than to see our downfall and are actively working to try to make it happen. China and Russia are certainly among them. War is ugly, in so many ways, but letting your enemies expand beyond their own borders is sitting back and watching your own destruction in progress. Good people will die; awful people will benefit, but to look the other way as your enemy gains momentum is nothing short of foolish. Neville Chamberlain is someone more people need to be familiar with. Well said. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: War or no war China attempting a military take over of Taiwan results in global depression not recession, depression as in 1930s style America not Obama 2009-2016 A Great Depression, 7 to 10 trillion economic loss and trade with Japan and South Korea lost for the rest of the century https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-09/economy-risks-latest-taiwan-war-would-cost-world-10-trillion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1678_jpeg-3170201.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. War or no war China attempting a military take over of Taiwan results in global depression not recession, depression as in 1930s style America not Obama 2009-2016 A Great Depression, 7 to 10 trillion economic loss and trade with Japan and South Korea lost for the rest of the century https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-09/economy-risks-latest-taiwan-war-would-cost-world-10-trillion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1678_jpeg-3170201.JPG I would predict massive inflation, not a depression. This country would be 110% employed. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:56:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. Nothing short of profound. Originally Posted By letsjustexfil: Let's rephrase it to be more honest. Are you willing to die to defend Taiwan? No. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:56:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: Fuck taiwan. Fuck china. Fuck iran. Fuck ukraine. Fuck russia. Fuck israel. Fuck Palestine. Fuck all of them. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:57:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: madwis15]
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When you consider that we abandoned Taiwan in the 70s and built up China, only to have China bite us in the ass...
I guess if we don't help defend them, we are pretty reprehensible as a nation. Of course I may be a bit biased since my wife is from Taiwan and I love that place so much that we have plans to retire there if it hasn't been destroyed by China. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MouseBoy: I would predict massive inflation, not a depression. This country would be 110% employed. Possibly, either way, something not good https://www.foxnews.com/media/america-risk-another-great-depression-taiwan-falls-china-jd-vance-warns.amp  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:01:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost: If China strikes US assets as part of their campaign against Taiwan, should America fight back or withdraw from the Pacific? We don't want China having control of chip production. It would be better to nuke Taiwan to prevent China taking control of that critical infrastructure. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:03:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: We don't want China having control of chip production. It would be better to nuke Taiwan to prevent China taking control of that critical infrastructure. Please save the nukes for Three Gorges. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: Fuck taiwan. Fuck china. Fuck iran. Fuck ukraine. Fuck russia. Fuck israel. Fuck Palestine. Fuck all of them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:13:13 PM EDT
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Isolationism won’t work in the long run. It will only make it worse. I don’t think we have a real choice if China makes that move if they don’t strike US assets in the initial phase of an operation. They strike Taiwan and US ? It’s on. 2025 to 2026 are going to be interesting years
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:14:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C3H5N3O9: What does a war with China in defense of Taiwan look like? Is it limited to conventional arms, or does it go nuclear? How long does that take? Is the object to hold Taiwan until China gives up, or does the US invade? How long would we be able to sustain the conflict? If the US parks a carrier battle group off the shore of Taiwan and China starts launching missiles at it, I don’t see many scenarios where nukes don’t start flying. And this will cause Russia to escalate in Europe... |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Should we preemptively move all US forces out of the Pacific and let China know they are free to take Taiwan and it will not be contested by the US? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By TheTallest: Fuck taiwan. Fuck china. Fuck iran. Fuck ukraine. Fuck russia. Fuck israel. Fuck Palestine. Fuck all of them. Not our circus not our monkeys. We should close all bases in taiwan and the middle east and anywhere else where we are hated. It's time we stop policing the world and start taking care of our own. Let them fight their own battles and solve their own problems. Oh I know what's coming next, 'But day makes 99% of all da cheeps we use in our electronics.' Who. Fucking. Cares. We're perfectly capable of making our own shit. We should start doing it again. Fuck taiwan. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:30:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: Not our circus not our monkeys. We should close all bases in taiwan and the middle east and anywhere else where we are hated. It's time we stop policing the world and start taking care of our own. Let them fight their own battles and solve their own problems. Oh I know what's coming next, 'But day makes 99% of all da cheeps we use in our electronics.' Who. Fucking. Cares. We're perfectly capable of making our own shit. We should start doing it again. Fuck taiwan. We have no bases in Taiwan. Actually it kinda is our circus since we fucking created the problem for them long ago. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:37:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: At a bare minimum 87% of GD would not be involved in any fighting against China. Honestly more like 99.9% Exactly. |
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