Ship hit it allegedly?

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Currently, numerous agencies, including the Coast Guard and fire department have just declared a mass casualty incident as… pic.twitter.com/wvOTOVbvHE

R A W S A L E R T S  (@rawsalerts) March 26, 2024

Loose cargo from the wreck is starting to wash up on shore. Free pelts!

JUST IN - Items from the cargo container that collided with Baltimore's Key Bridge yesterday have been spotted on the shoreline. pic.twitter.com/YUO3CuB3rU

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So when they rebuild the bridge, will it still be the Francis Scott Key bridge or will they rename it to the James Weldon Johnson bridge?  

The Joseph R Biden Bridge

Not marine diesels but:

The Data center I'm working on now has about 22 very large back up generators, theses are all less than 4 years old and come equipped with all the EPA mandated emissions controls. When shore power is lost and they kick in you'll see very black plumes of exhaust for a short time as they come on line. The engines are running in open Loop Mode during startup (just like your car) until they come up to full operating temp/load etc.

George Floyd memorial causeway.

I know people have joked in this thread it will be named after Michelle Obama or some other tranny, but I think they should seriously consider one or all of the construction workers who suffered an awful death.

Yup.

This is what someone with a modicum of common sense, would understand.

The crazy conspiracy theories are stupid enough, but far too many people seem to base what little thinking they do, on their personal biases; “I like THIS guy, therefore I’m OK with everything he says and does, and will excuse anything, no matter how stupid”. “I don’t like that guy, so I’ll just hate everything they say and do, without stopping for a moment, to even consider something objectively”.

I don’t care who the person is, and whether they ‘claim’ to be on our side, or on the other side; I prefer to objectively note their statements and actions, and call out stupidity when I see it, or accept a statement or action on its merits and sensibility. While Biden has and does say a lot of dumb shit, this isn’t one of them.

So syringes and used masks will be floating into the bay by the thousands.

Freddie Gray Memorial Bridge - no vans allowed

I don't disagree, but that's not what he said. Maybe that's what he meant and that's how it will go but forgive me for being a bit skeptical in this regard.

nvm

People would be horrified at the condition of a large percentage of the highway bridges in this country, many are the original bridges built under the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 and were supposed to be updated or replaced by now.

As somebody that moves very heavy "Super Loads" across many of these bridges this is very concerning to me. I too am surprised we don't have very many outright failures considering we're placing loads on them that the designers never planned for and neglect and poor budgeting has left them in very bad condition.  

Please don’t think what I said, is a translation to what he meant.


Who the fuck knows what Biden or the federal government is going to do, or not do.  Or who’s going to pay for what, where, when and how.

I’m just giving you my .02 on how it “should” be done, under the circumstances we currently have in play.

The recording of radio traffic between dispatch and the officers responding to close down the bridge has been posted.  It includes them talking about the construction crews and also when the bridge collapsed.

Yes.

We're on the same page.

Not an expert but I'm pretty sure that gets flown in from Hong Kong.

Wish people wouldn't get crossways over theories, and speaking in absolutes is what causes that.

There is a difference between probability, and possibility, and therein lies the gamblers fallacy, and other factors.

Probability is a human abstract construct, based upon observing patterns and subsequent statistical analysis.

Possibility, is rooted in the absolute concept of what can or cannot happen the next time you flip that coin.

Was it a deliberate action? 50/50, it either was or it wasn't.
Was it an accident?   Again, 50/50, it either was or it wasn't.

So until we definitely know, it's 50/50, period, there is no other possibility. So it's smart to keep an open mind, even when others don't and declare it was specifically one or the other. No reason to fight about it.

The CAT generators we installed do that as well.  It's not uncommon.

Every single ship, generator or small boat with a diesel I have started over the course of 23 years has belched a nice black cloud on start up before it turned to the steady stream of white indicating a cold engine.

It’s almost as if engines with mechanical injection pumps don’t over fuel briefly while turning over before the turbo spools up.

Divers have recovered a couple bodies from a vehicle.

I mean, I knew it would be this way, but it's still sad.

Dudes out there in the middle of the night fixing potholes, trying to pay the rent.

I'm waiting for more information to come out regarding them.
It will be a very bad optic if they all turned out to be illegals, but given the time stating how long ONE of them was in the country (18 years), I would think they all have citizenship or at least green cards.

Just working stiffs filling in potholes at 2 a.m. is a shitty enough job, getting dropped filling in potholes on a bridge at 2 a.m. must have been surreal for them.

If you notice, all the cars on the bridge were traveling the same direction.  That’s because the construction crew had the bridge shut down to one lane.  The traffic direction control was most likely timed signal lights on each end, holding traffic on one end while allowing entrance to the bridge on the other end.  Rinse, lather, repeat.  

Someone that controlled the switch for turning the light red remotely got the word just in time.

If those are western coyotes I'd scoop them up. Looks like a few hundred depending on quality.

Construction crew would have been on a break and in their trucks when Baltimore's Key Bridge collapsed says colleague as first two workers presumed dead are named as father-of-six Miguel Luna, 49, and dad-of-two Maynor Suazo, 37

Luna lived in the United States for the past 19 years, Suazo for 18 years. Both were fathers


The six construction crew members, thrown into the frigid waters of the Patapsco River when a container ship collided with the bridge they were working on, were on their break when the tragedy occurred.

Miguel Luna, 49, originally of El Salvador and Maynor Suazo, 37, originally of Honduras were on the graveyard shift with the rest of their Hispanic crew when the Dali ship lost propulsion and caused the collapse of the iconic Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore.

Luna lived in the United States for the past 19 years, Suazo for 18 years. Both are fathers.  

A member of their team who happened to not be working in the early hours of Tuesday, Jesus Campos, said that his colleagues were on their meal break likely inside one of the service trucks at the time of the crash.

Campos paid tribute to his friends in an interview with The New York Times, saying that most in the job were sending money to relatives in their homelands. The group all worked for a company named Brawner.

'They were wonderful family people. Spouses, children. It's just a very, very bad day,' said Brawner executive Jeffrey Pritzker. The company regularly does upkeep on historical buildings such as the Key Bridge and were fixing potholes on Tuesday.




The first of the six: Miguel Luna, 49, was the first missing construction worker identified following the collapse




Maynor Suazo, 37, a native of Honduras has been named as the other man missing and presumed dead



'They only tell us that we have to wait, that for now, they can't give us information. [We feel] devastated, devastated because our heart is broken, because we don't know if they've rescued them yet. We're just waiting to hear any news,' Luna's wife, Maria del Carmen Castellon told Telemundo 44.

Suazo, a native of Honduras, was identified in his homeland as another worker who is missing and presumed to be dead. Suazo, a father of two, had been living in the US for the past 18 years.

Guatemala's consulate in Maryland said in a statement that two of the missing were citizens of the Central American nation. It did not provide their names but said consular officials were in contact with authorities and assisting the families.

Mexican officials have said that some of their citizens are missing but did not say how many.

Maynor Suazo's brother, Martin, told Honduran television that his brother was a native of Santa Barbara, in the western part of the country, Martin said that his brother emigrated in order to 'improve the quality of his life.'

Martin said that he plans to travel to the United States in order to repatriate his brother's remains.

In a separate interview with CNN, Martin confirmed that Suazo is survived by his son, 18, and daughter, five. In that interview, Martin reiterated his brother's desire for a better life in the US and said that he had also started his own maintenance company.

'Maynor Suazo was a guy with warmth, quality of people, entrepreneur with a vision and mission to serve our community,' a family friend wrote in a touching Facebook tribute.  





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That’s interesting.

Most plums I have ever seen are purple.

Already cleaned by the salt water ready to go.

Were all the workers on the bridge in the USA illegally?

Dispatch audio released

Based on the wording in the article, it appears they were not here legally.

Transp Sec Pete Buttigieg Won't Say If Baltimore Bridge Collapse Will Prolong Supply Chain Problems

In what way?

To be legally employed they have to be legal, doesn't mean permanent citizen.  Just because someone is the citizen of another country doesn't mean they're illegal.

Regardless, lives were lost, tragically.  Fathers, husbands, sons...

Karine Jean-Pierre Has No Clue When Biden Will Visit Site Of Baltimore Bridge Collapse. The site is only 1 hr away from Washington DC.

Insurance wouldn't pay the full replacement cost for a new bridge anyway because the replacement bridge will likely be higher, have more vehicle traffic lanes, be built to a higher quality, able to withstand a hit from a larger ship, use improved materials, etc. etc. etc.  So, better for the government to kick off the new construction rather than wait.


I would argue he should stay away until at least the weekend as that area is a shitshow for traffic during the workdays, and that was when the bridge was open.  I can't imagine trying to navigate in there now.  Throw in the motorcade, street closings, increased security, etc. that's required for a Presidential visit and I would take the day off if I worked in the area.

The great Obama stimulus fixed all the roads and bridges in 2010.  The media told me so.

I know I know.. shit source

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13246079/amp/Dali-cargo-ship-suffered-severe-electrical-problem-docked-Baltimore-days-prior-bridge-collapse-crash-saw-suffer-total-power-failure-loss-engine-failure-port-worker-says.html

The Dali cargo ship which smashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge suffered a 'severe electrical problem' while docked in Baltimore days before, according to a port worker.

Julie Mitchell, co-administrator of Container Royalty, a company which tracks cargo, told CNN the ship was anchored at the port for at least 48 hours prior to the deadly crash.

'And those two days, they were having serious power outages… they had a severe electrical problem,' Mitchell told the broadcaster. 'It was total power failure, loss of engine power, everything.'

My wife's grocery store put out that the prices of frozen foods and some produce will go up and supply will go down for the east coast, including stuff coming from countries south of us.

If any of them are illegal immigrants I think that could happen

The Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Florida 44 years ago might have clued .gov into potential similar disaster scenarios .  Hopefully they at least crunched some numbers to get the odds of a repeat occurrence.  Maybe they could tell us what the odds were ?

Sure. I agree with that.


I just know when the HOC truck hit bridge in Columbus carrying ethanol and scorched the bridge.  Ohio paid for the replacement. Then gave the bill to the insurance after it was done.  But it was exactly the same as the bridge the truck took out. No design changes.

The police were dispatched and blocked traffic.  They were talking about contacting the construction foreman to get the crew off when the bridge went down.

It sounded like they might have only got traffic on one side stopped before the collapse as they were talking about getting someone to come in from the other side to block it off after it was down.

To be fair to mayor Pete, how the hell would he know?

It's not like he's qualified to be the Transportation Secretary or anything.

I'm pretty sure it will have the name "Obama" in there somewhere.

Impossible starts with the first sentence, which assumes all vessel lights -nav lights, as well as deck and interior lights- are wired into a single switch, instead of at least a dozen (at minimum) switches wired into multiple different breakers that all managed to turn off simultaneously with no asynchronicity, which suggests a problem with the ship's electrical generation. Then it continues on to forgetting there's two 3rd party-assigned pilots that got on board a half-hour before sailing that probably can't be convinced to join the plot, then there's forgetting the VDR onboard as well as well as the forensic investigation that's obviously going to take place.

I could go on, but I think that's sufficient.

Shit, I shouldn't type on my phone without reading glasses

Fixed