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Posted: 6/24/2017 7:30:43 AM EDT
President Donald J. Trump impressed conservative by keeping his word and appointing conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch.

Now, NBC News pundit and MSNBC host Christopher Hayes has announced there’s a strong chance Justice Antony Kennedy will retire on Monday. A liberal, Hayes believes the moves is the end of Roe v. Wade, the disasterous pro-abortion Supreme Court Case:

   Just a reminder: there’s a chance Kennedy announces his retirement on Monday, paving the way for the end of Roe.

   — Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 22, 2017

Trump campaign insider Roger Stone confirmed that he’s hearing the rumors, too:


http://thepoliticalinsider.com/justice-anthony-kennedy-retire/?source=WDlive
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Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:35:08 AM EDT
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In on 1

When will Weekend at Bader kick it?
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Wouldn't there have to be a case with some sort of legal standing be submitted to the court for there to even be a chance for Roe to be overturned? What legal standing could one use to bring such a case? 
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That's not how fear mongering works.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:38:51 AM EDT
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I don't believe it.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:39:36 AM EDT
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This is why I voted for trump
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:40:42 AM EDT
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I guess he didn't eat enough kale.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:40:43 AM EDT
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Good, I hope Breyer and Ginsburg follow his lead.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:43:11 AM EDT
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Can you imagine the great flood of liberal tears if Trump replaced him and Ginsberg with 2 young Constitutionalist judges?
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:44:20 AM EDT
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Liberal tears will be extra salty!

After Donald we may never get another go at this so I hope he nominates someone very young. Would be bonus if a woman, as they live abou 5 yrs longer than us men!
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:44:29 AM EDT
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I'm SO glad that the Democrats already forced the nuclear option into play.

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This is why I voted for trump
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And Bingo was his name-o.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:46:38 AM EDT
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This is going to be fun.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:46:44 AM EDT
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Wouldn't there have to be a case with some sort of legal standing be submitted to the court for there to even be a chance for Roe to be overturned? What legal standing could one use to bring such a case? 
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There is a Latin term which I can't remember but it basically means let the decision stand and it's a principle that the SCOTUS works under.

Essentially it is intended to make sure that future SCOTUS sessions don't reverse standing decisions.  The only way that Row v Wade could be imapacted--see that I didn't say reversed--would be for new cases to come along that chip away at the edges.

But as I understand it, abortion will always be legal due to Roe v Wade.  There will never be a time when abortions will be illegal in America again.

That's how I remember constitutional law from college because we discussed this very case.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:48:16 AM EDT
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Roe v Wade was settled in the early 70's. Kennedy was confirmed in the late 1980's..why the talk about Roe vs Wade with him?
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:48:30 AM EDT
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If he gets another bona fide conservative on the court, I am maxing out my donation to him for 2020.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:49:41 AM EDT
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Roe v Wade was settled in the early 70's. Kennedy was confirmed in the late 1980's..why the talk about Roe vs Wade with him?
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Liberal politicians and activists lie to their base to stir them up with hate, anger and fear. 
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:50:57 AM EDT
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There is a Latin term which I can't remember but it basically means let the decision stand and it's a principle that the SCOTUS works under.

Essentially it is intended to make sure that future SCOTUS sessions don't reverse standing decisions.  The only way that Row v Wade could be imapacted--see that I didn't say reversed--would be for new cases to come along that chip away at the edges.

But as I understand it, abortion will always be legal due to Roe v Wade.  There will never be a time when abortions will be illegal in America again.

That's how I remember constitutional law from college because we discussed this very case.
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Wouldn't there have to be a case with some sort of legal standing be submitted to the court for there to even be a chance for Roe to be overturned? What legal standing could one use to bring such a case? 
There is a Latin term which I can't remember but it basically means let the decision stand and it's a principle that the SCOTUS works under.

Essentially it is intended to make sure that future SCOTUS sessions don't reverse standing decisions.  The only way that Row v Wade could be imapacted--see that I didn't say reversed--would be for new cases to come along that chip away at the edges.

But as I understand it, abortion will always be legal due to Roe v Wade.  There will never be a time when abortions will be illegal in America again.

That's how I remember constitutional law from college because we discussed this very case.
The term is stare decisis.  It is not that a future SCOTUS cannot overturn previous decisions, it is that they should not overturn without good reason.  And meanwhile, lower courts are bound by that decision while it stands.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:51:09 AM EDT
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In for the continuation of liberal butthurt.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:51:29 AM EDT
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Liberal politicians and activists lie to their base to stir them up with hate, anger and fear. 
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I know that, so do GOP'ers..but it is settled law.

You are right, no matter what the fact's are, their will be lies.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:52:05 AM EDT
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Roe v Wade was settled in the early 70's. Kennedy was confirmed in the late 1980's..why the talk about Roe vs Wade with him?
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To get the base all riled up over "keep your laws off my body!" and "my body, my choice!"

The liberal obsession with the right to commit infanticide is truly sick.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:52:56 AM EDT
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I hope this is true.

He said he would consider retiring after Obummer left office .

Another reason I voted for Trump.

MAGA!
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:53:10 AM EDT
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If he gets another bona fide conservative on the court, I am maxing out my donation to him for 2020.
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Ditto
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:53:29 AM EDT
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A liberal, Hayes believes the moves is the end of Roe v. Wade, the disasterous pro-abortion Supreme Court Case:
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An unbiased news source no doubt
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:54:08 AM EDT
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I know that, so do GOP'ers..but it is settled law.

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No, it is not settled law, not if a five-member majority of a future SCOTUS decides to overturn it.

Regardless, there is no huge push right now on the conservative/Republican side to outlaw abortion, this is the liberals firing up the base.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:56:06 AM EDT
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Oh please GOD.

Nothing better could happen to this country.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 7:57:49 AM EDT
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As much as I am against the murdering of unborn children.  

Roe v Wade is unlikely to be overturned even with 9 conservatives on the court.  To many lies and untruths surround that case for it ever to be given another chance.

But an additional conservative to replace Kennedy can be good for many other future cases.  I certainly hope Kennedy really is retiring.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:01:18 AM EDT
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Please don't be fake news
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:03:02 AM EDT
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No, it is not settled law, not if a five-member majority of a future SCOTUS decides to overturn it.

Regardless, there is no huge push right now on the conservative/Republican side to outlaw abortion, this is the liberals firing up the base.
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Continuing in that vein:
Doesn't that apply to virtually every law?

But what basis would have to be extant for this to even come before them?
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:06:00 AM EDT
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I don't, either, but I HOPE it is true. We'll see.....
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:06:12 AM EDT
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The term is stare decisis.  It is not that a future SCOTUS cannot overturn previous decisions, it is that they should not overturn without good reason.  And meanwhile, lower courts are bound by that decision while it stands.
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Right that's it.

I think that the SCOTUS judges tend to take that principle with a lot of weight.  I just do not see a lot of chance they would buck tradition and overturn it.

Now they could severely restrict it to the point of making it defacto reversed.

If things go well and Ginsberg takes a dirt nap and Trump replaces Thomas with another strong Constitutionalist judge, we could end up with a new majority that tells Kagan and that other obama appointee to sit in the corner and shut up.

But before I start getting SCOTUS boner, I'll remember Roberts.  What a complete travesty that pos is.  And he was supposed to be the second coming.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:07:43 AM EDT
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Awesome, I can only hope
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:10:32 AM EDT
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Fucking A
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:10:41 AM EDT
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Good God, Trump. Don't fuck this up.

This is why you got my vote.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:11:10 AM EDT
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There is a Latin term which I can't remember but it basically means let the decision stand and it's a principle that the SCOTUS works under.

Essentially it is intended to make sure that future SCOTUS sessions don't reverse standing decisions.  The only way that Row v Wade could be imapacted--see that I didn't say reversed--would be for new cases to come along that chip away at the edges.

But as I understand it, abortion will always be legal due to Roe v Wade.  There will never be a time when abortions will be illegal in America again.

That's how I remember constitutional law from college because we discussed this very case.
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The Latin phrase is "stare decisis."  It is a principle of giving deference to prior opinions, but there are numerous examples of the Court overturning prior decisions.  Once a decision is rendered it is not thereafter forever engraved in stone.  See, for example, Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Education.

Kennedy leaving isn't a huge win in my mind.  The vast majority of the time he casts his vote against government restrictions.  Some call him left-leaning because when he applies this to things like gay marriage he says government shouldn't be able to restrict two consenting adults from calling themselves married and, therefore, if the state is going to recognize marriages it has to recognize them all.  But he also was on the pro-gun side in Heller and McDonald, he votes for limiting search and seizure, is dubious of government overreach in things like environmental protection regulations, riled the "liberals" by voting against government restrictions on speech in Citizens United, etc.  

Edit: I can't think this morning.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:11:13 AM EDT
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A 2nd SCOTUS pick was the first and foremost aspiration I had for Trump's tenure. Here's hoping things don't end here 
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:13:28 AM EDT
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AMF
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A 2nd SCOTUS pick was the first and foremost aspiration I had for Trump's tenure. Here's hoping things don't end here 
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It would be great if he gets to do skeletor too.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:14:09 AM EDT
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As much as I am against the murdering of unborn children.  

Roe v Wade is unlikely to be overturned even with 9 conservatives on the court.  To many lies and untruths surround that case for it ever to be given another chance.

But an additional conservative to replace Kennedy can be good for many other future cases.  I certainly hope Kennedy really is retiring.
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I've always contended the same with regard to Roe V Wade.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:16:43 AM EDT
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Fingers are crossed that this is true!
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:16:48 AM EDT
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Great news if true. Guys, toss out some ideas for a good replacement.

How about Gowdy? We certainly can't afford to lose Senator Cruz. Any good ideas?
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:17:45 AM EDT
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I hope we stack the court, but it better not touch abortion shit.

I'd like to win another election in the next 50 years, but dumbfuck Social Conservatives, who define themselves solely on such social matters because economics and voting trends are hard, love to ruin everything.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:18:38 AM EDT
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Oh please GOD.

Nothing better could happen to this country.
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Can you imagine the great flood of liberal tears if Trump replaced him and Ginsberg with 2 young Constitutionalist judges?
Oh please GOD.

Nothing better could happen to this country.
I would probably get fired because I have already pissed off a gay lib vp and hillary worshipping female doctor where I work.

Just hanging a pic of Trump on the wall with THREE conservative judges underneath aught to do it.

If he cancelled NPR funding as well I would give them both slap on the ass the next day at work and laugh as they escorted me out.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:19:12 AM EDT
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First rule of Arfcom, don't believe the rumors.
Link Posted: 6/24/2017 8:19:18 AM EDT
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That would certainly MAGA!
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