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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:04:50 PM EDT
You serious Clark?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/06/21/home-depot-menards-lumber-size-lawsuit/415874001/# MILWAUKEE — Two home improvements stores are accused of deceiving the buyers of four-by-four boards, the big brother to the ubiquitous two-by-four.
The alleged deception: Menards and Home Depot (HD) market and sell the hefty lumber as four-by-fours without specifying that the boards actually measure 3½ inches by 3½ inches. The lawsuits against the retailers would-be class actions, filed within five days of each other in federal court for the Northern District of Illinois. Attorneys from the same Chicago law firm represent the plaintiffs in both cases. Each suit seeks more than $5 million. “Defendant has received significant profits from its false marketing and sale of its dimensional lumber products,” the action against Menards contends. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:05:48 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago?
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:07:30 PM EDT
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LMAO
Shitbird class action attorneys are hilarious sometimes |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:07:39 PM EDT
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Nobody tell them about 2x4s.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:08:09 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:08:58 PM EDT
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It's like an Onion article.
But real. Wow |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:10:14 PM EDT
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:10:20 PM EDT
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It should say what it is and be what it says.
Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:10:58 PM EDT
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:11:25 PM EDT
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It's like an Onion article. But real. Wow |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:12:04 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? All the parts for building are based on this standard, to change everything this many years later is cost prohibitive and has been the basis for many of these lawsuits being overturned in the past. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:13:06 PM EDT
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I'd be embarrassed I was so dumb.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:13:15 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:14:04 PM EDT
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You probably melt their faces off if you tried to explain to them what the actual size #4 rebar is.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:14:40 PM EDT
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This is what happens when a snowflake tries to build a tiny house and ends up a half inch short.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:15:15 PM EDT
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Those stereotypes just keep proving themselves true...
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:15:47 PM EDT
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Do you want the metric system? Because this is how you get the metric system.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:16:44 PM EDT
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Which is fucking idiotic considering there are no fucking damages in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:17:47 PM EDT
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Well it is false advertising...
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:17:54 PM EDT
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I've bought lumber in CA recently and they were marked 2x4, 4x4, etc (i.e. correctly) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? A Marin County California judge ordered Mooresville, North Carolina-based Lowe’s to pay a $1.6 million settlement over a lawsuit alleging the inaccurate description of structural dimensional building products. One upshot of the settlement is the intention of Lowe’s to include the actual product dimensions of 2x4 lumber (1.5 inches by 3.5 inches) along with the description of the product as a “2x4.” The suit arose from a civil enforcement action filed by district attorneys of several California counties. "Consumers should expect when making product purchases that retailers are providing accurate information especially when misinformation could adversely affect building projects that more often than not rely on precise measurements," said District Attorney Ed Berberian. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:17:57 PM EDT
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Does anyone recall what S4S means for lumber?
Isn't it "Surfaced, 4 Sides" Clark? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:18:31 PM EDT
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It's just a bored class action lawyer looking for a payday, nobody's feels are hurt.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:18:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:19:16 PM EDT
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I only buy my lumber green, from the guy with the Harbor Freight saw mill. That way I know my 2x4s are really 2inches by 4 inches. Never mind my walls have gaps from shrinkage and what not.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:19:49 PM EDT
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This is what happens when DIYers get into shit they don't understand like industry nominal dimensions....
2x4's haven't been 2"x 4" since the 19motherfuckin30's. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:19:56 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? A Marin County California judge ordered Mooresville, North Carolina-based Lowe’s to pay a $1.6 million settlement over a lawsuit alleging the inaccurate description of structural dimensional building products. One upshot of the settlement is the intention of Lowe’s to include the actual product dimensions of 2x4 lumber (1.5 inches by 3.5 inches) along with the description of the product as a “2x4.” The suit arose from a civil enforcement action filed by district attorneys of several California counties. "Consumers should expect when making product purchases that retailers are providing accurate information especially when misinformation could adversely affect building projects that more often than not rely on precise measurements," said District Attorney Ed Berberian. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:20:10 PM EDT
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. I don't like it either. It's just stupid it isn't the size it says it is. Even plywood thickness is fucked. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:20:44 PM EDT
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I've always thought that anyone buying lumber knew how it was sized / measured. I guess not. Even though it's been that way for fucking ever. People are stupid, attorneys are sharks.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:20:44 PM EDT
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Does anyone recall what S4S means for lumber? Isn't it "Surfaced, 4 Sides" Clark? Rhetorical.... |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:20:45 PM EDT
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You probably melt their faces off if you tried to explain to them what the actual size #4 rebar is.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:21:43 PM EDT
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It has happened a few times over the last 100+ years, the key is, "Dimensional Lumber" the rough product starts out at the actual dimension, then is milled to industry standard, which is 3.5 x 3.5 or 1.5 x 3.5, it is the basis for all the building that has been done in this country for well over 100 years. HD and Menards has not derived any extra profits because they advertise and sell what the industry standard are based on and milled to. All the parts for building are based on this standard, to change everything this many years later is cost prohibitive and has been the basis for many of these lawsuits being overturned in the past. then leave the dimensions and call it a 1.5x3.5 |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:22:31 PM EDT
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Well on one hand you want to advertise something as being 4x4 or 2x4 when in reality its not is kinda dumb. Like selling a 2 liter of pop but its actually only 55oz.
On the other hand jesus christ these people dont have anything better to do than sue the pants of anyone and everyone they can find? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:23:39 PM EDT
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. Quoted:
Well it is false advertising... 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:23:53 PM EDT
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This. I don't like it either. It's just stupid it isn't the size it says it is. Even plywood thickness is fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. I don't like it either. It's just stupid it isn't the size it says it is. Even plywood thickness is fucked. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:24:01 PM EDT
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They're going to shit if they ever read a dimension chart for wide flange beams, actual depth can be more than an inch less or a couple inches more than nominal.
And don't look too close at your .38 Special bullets. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:24:12 PM EDT
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I'll take the metric system please.
Damn, just change the name to "tubafor", that's how everyone pronounces it anyway. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:24:24 PM EDT
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There's always a few people dumb enough to... oh, they beat me here.
Disregard.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:25:35 PM EDT
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Hardly. If you understood how it all works you wouldn't say that, and this lawsuit would be laughed out of court. This lawyer needs a swift kick in the nuts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:25:53 PM EDT
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Meh then leave the dimensions and call it a 1.5x3.5 |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:26:06 PM EDT
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. Fucking normies. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:26:39 PM EDT
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. It was almost 20 years ago that I took business law in college but industry standards were one of those topics that were along the lines of "hey if you are going to be in industry know the terminology". The exact issue of 2x4s being an example. For the love of god whoever the idiot concerned do-gooder, that acted on behalf of Ca citizens/consumers, i hope they suffer being impaled anus first on a rough cut 2x4. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:26:44 PM EDT
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WTF
it states it on those little white tags on the boards and posts
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:27:23 PM EDT
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Tuna lawsuit didn't work. Doubt this will/
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:27:36 PM EDT
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This is what happens when "homeowners" try to play carpenter. Framing lumber has been under sized for over 50 years.
Pajama boy: Ohtehnose11!!!11BBQOMG, Homedepot/Lowes is screwing me out my hard earned trustfund money!!!!!!" |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:29:49 PM EDT
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Hey, can I get in on this?
None of our 4 x 4's are 4 x 4 either. I am enraged. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:30:49 PM EDT
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Precedent has already been set. Good lawsuit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:31:20 PM EDT
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This. I don't like it either. It's just stupid it isn't the size it says it is. Even plywood thickness is fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It should say what it is and be what it says. Lumber is built into a giant house of lies. I don't like it either. It's just stupid it isn't the size it says it is. Even plywood thickness is fucked. It's easier to say 2x4 than "one and nine sixteenths by three and a half" or whatever. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:31:30 PM EDT
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And who will bear the cost of the attorney fees and fines? The ones who it's supposed to help.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:31:37 PM EDT
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People that bring these lawsuits up should be drawn and quartered.
Any real man knows what the actual measurements are. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:31:42 PM EDT
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So a lawsuit and money for the weekend contractors then....got it.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:32:57 PM EDT
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I guess some people ARE really that clueless and dense. If I get a piece of flat stock it's the size it says it is. I like metal. |
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