ATF reverses stance on shouldering sig brace

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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:52:43 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:53:38 PM EDT

[#1]

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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:54:02 PM EDT

[#2]

I don't trust what I read on the internet.

Time to fire off a letter to ATF for clarification on this issue.

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:54:26 PM EDT

[#3]

I would want to see something more official than the maker of a brace saying so.

That being said...bout fucking time.

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:01 PM EDT

[#4]

Good thing I never gave a shit in the first place

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:22 PM EDT

[#5]

cool

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:23 PM EDT

[#6]

... frankly, I'm mildly surprised

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:34 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:38 PM EDT

[#8]

There is only one thing to do now...write 1,000's of letters to the ATF asking the same question regarding shouldering the brace

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:38 PM EDT

[#9]

I'd like to see the actual letter.

Mooooore Winning!

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:45 PM EDT

[#10]

Tomorrow I'll write the ATF and let you all know when I've successfully fucked this up

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:55:47 PM EDT

[#11]

Nice-

The new clarification of opinion letter states, “an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not reconfigured for use as a shoulder stock – even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder. To the extent that the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational “use” of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute “redesign,” such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.”

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:56:06 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/24/2017 9:56:15 PM EDT

[#13]

Still FATF, but tax free SBRs and all the letters the FATF can handle until Trump is out of office!

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:56:33 PM EDT

[#14]

Interesting.

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:57:00 PM EDT

[#15]

Lets hope this finally puts it to rest.

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:57:25 PM EDT

[#16]

No one with FTATF yet?

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:57:55 PM EDT

[#17]

So what is the best pistol brace for "situational use"?

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:58:01 PM EDT

[#18]

Huh... The shockwave I have looks pretty damn uncomfortable as a stock, but its good this retardation as been suspended for now.

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:58:56 PM EDT

[#19]

I literally have zero fuck to give about what they think.

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:59:03 PM EDT

[#20]

Is it the 25th yet?

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:00:20 PM EDT

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I'll do you one better, they hate when you use the full acronym.

FBATFE

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:00:24 PM EDT

[#22]

So will that hold true for other pistol stocks like the Shockwave or Thordsen? Maybe I should email the ATF for clarification.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:00:30 PM EDT

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I have a shockwave on a SBR mpx, it feels fine to me.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:01:08 PM EDT

[#24]

And now everyone knows why MAC was posting videos of him shouldering a brace....
Because he already knew about the letter...

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:01:27 PM EDT

[#25]

Who gives a fuck? They'll just "reverse" their decision next month. Over reaching, unConstitutional Statists organization. Abolish.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:01:45 PM EDT

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The Shockwave works well.
You just need to put some neoprene on the back of it to make sure the blade never touches your shoulder.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:02:29 PM EDT

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I don't trust what I read on the internet.

Time to fire off a letter to ATF for clarification on this issue.

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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:02:45 PM EDT

[#28]

i guess they see into the future, look at the date

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:02:51 PM EDT

[#29]

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I noticed that too maybe someone jumped the gun..

I'm to build pistol ar again

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:03:11 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:03:33 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:03:40 PM EDT

[#32]

lol

I'm sure there are some stamp collectors out there writing angry letters to the ATF right now.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:03:42 PM EDT

[#33]

Anyone have a link to the actual letter from BATFE?

I trust nothing until I see that.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:04:47 PM EDT

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I tried to get that on a vanity plate... assholes at the DMV denied it.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:04:52 PM EDT

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Anyone have a link to the actual letter from BATFE?

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Better write your own.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:05:04 PM EDT

[#36]

Were people actually caring what the BATFE jerk offs thought?

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:05:15 PM EDT

[#37]

I hope it's true.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:05:18 PM EDT

[#38]

not necessarily

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Posted: 4/24/2017 10:05:56 PM EDT

[#39]

This would be nice.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:06:00 PM EDT

[#40]

Lol, it's always been legal. ATF does not make law and can't even interpret in a completely asinine way like "putting something to your shoulder is manufacturing it!".

Non issue and always has been except for "gotcha" internet lawyers. Same with overly broad interpretations of 922r. "Oh noes, the ATF is going to come count the parts on my Saiga-12!!!!"

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:06:18 PM EDT

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Nice-

The new clarification of opinion letter states, “an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not reconfigured for use as a shoulder stock – even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder. To the extent that the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational “use” of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute “redesign,” such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.”

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Translation: we had a different bunch of guys in cheap suits make another bullshit "determination" for you peasants. We will probably change our mind again at a later date.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:06:38 PM EDT

[#42]

Relax everyone. I just sent an email to the ATF to make sure. I recommend you guys do it too.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:07:13 PM EDT

[#43]

I'm going to have to contact the ATF tech branch for confirmation.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:08:20 PM EDT

[#44]

Awhile back, I was just looking......in a local gun store. Yup.....an AR15 with the sig brace called to me. Yup, I put it up to my shoulder and was immediately "corrected" by the store guy.

Sorry about that.

I gave it back immediately. And left the store out of shame.

Anyone thinks it's safe to go back now?

Aloha, Mark

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:08:30 PM EDT

[#45]

That article is dated April 25, 2017.

Good news from tomorrow I guess.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:08:55 PM EDT

[#46]

Serious question, what does this really mean in the practical use of AR pistols? Am I clear to shoulder my shockwave? Does anybody know?

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:09:42 PM EDT

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Serious question, what does this really mean in the practical use of AR pistols? Am I clear to shoulder my shockwave? Does anybody know?

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Clear as mud at this point.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:09:52 PM EDT

[#48]

Tag for official letter as I am looking at a Scorpion........

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:10:08 PM EDT

[#49]

I wish somebody important enough to do something about it would realize how stupid the SBR/SBS law and suppressor laws are.

Open the MG registry and let the stamps from them cover the "loss" of the revenue.

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:10:20 PM EDT

[#50]

Good.

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