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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:53:07 PM EDT
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Pretty sure if the president leaves DC so does AF1
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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:53:26 PM EDT
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Seems like that distance is close enough to travel by helicopter. Plus the logistics of moving to/from airports would make it a much longer trip. Via whichever way is less economical. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:54:48 PM EDT
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Pretty sure if the president leaves DC so does AF1 Correct. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:55:04 PM EDT
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No press in the Helicopter.
But is the Presidential one as nice or as fast as his own? |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:55:07 PM EDT
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Via whichever way is less economical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like that distance is close enough to travel by helicopter. Plus the logistics of moving to/from airports would make it a much longer trip. Via whichever way is less economical. 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:00:56 PM EDT
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Pretty sure if the president leaves DC so does AF1 So you think he'll use AF1 to make the trip between NYC and the WH? |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:01:59 PM EDT
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He'll just take the train
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:03:18 PM EDT
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So you think he'll use AF1 to make the trip between NYC and the WH? Yes, its a much more secure aircraft.. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:04:00 PM EDT
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Air Force 1. There are reasons for that.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:05:06 PM EDT
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It's only 204 miles by air. 43 minute flight time by airplane. Not sure how fast copter us or if it can land on Trump Tower.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:06:04 PM EDT
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Pretty sure if the president leaves DC so does AF1 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:06:21 PM EDT
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Does President Trump have a helipad on the roof of Trump Tower?
The VH-60N "White Hawk" has a maximum speed of 183 miles per hour which would be able to fly from DC to NY in a little over one hour. The difference between AF1 and Marine One to travel from DC to NYC would be about the same considering vehicular transport to Trump Tower on surface streets after landing. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:07:30 PM EDT
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Trump should just change the rules in NYC and allow the helo to land on top of Trump tower (if possible).
Hell if the USSS can re-route air traffic away from former presidents Clinton's compound in Westchester I am sure they can move heaven and earth for a sitting President. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:08:39 PM EDT
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So you think he'll use AF1 to make the trip between NYC and the WH? Absolutely!
Think about it for a second, if the shit hit's the fan and he's up in NY with Marine, it may very well be too risky to fly him back to DC (Maryland actually) so that he can board AF1 and stay aloft. I'm sure you remember 9/11, President Bush was rushed to AF1 and stayed airborn until things could be sorted out. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:08:44 PM EDT
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It's only 204 miles by air. 43 minute flight time by airplane. Not sure how fast copter us or if it can land on Trump Tower. 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:08:52 PM EDT
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Helicopter cruise speed is about 175 mph.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:09:43 PM EDT
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They can land that thing at Camp David? Who knew? Of course not, AF1 is used where applicable and I'm pretty sure NY has plenty of airports. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:13:26 PM EDT
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Look, an airplane is FAR more safe, secure, faster, ect, ect than a helicopter ever could be.
If there are airports near by I guarantee you AF1 will be at one of them and in arfcom tradition why not get both? Why cant he take AF1 to JFK Laguardia (sp?) and Marine One to Trump tower? |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:14:57 PM EDT
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Absolutely!
Think about it for a second, if the shit hit's the fan and he's up in NY with EXecutive one, it may very well be too risky to fly him back to DC (Maryland actually) so that he can board AF1 and stay aloft. I'm sure you remember 9/11, President Bush was rushed to AF1 and stayed airborn until things could be sorted out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think he'll use AF1 to make the trip between NYC and the WH? Absolutely!
Think about it for a second, if the shit hit's the fan and he's up in NY with EXecutive one, it may very well be too risky to fly him back to DC (Maryland actually) so that he can board AF1 and stay aloft. I'm sure you remember 9/11, President Bush was rushed to AF1 and stayed airborn until things could be sorted out. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:16:05 PM EDT
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Look, an airplane is FAR more safe, secure, faster, ect, ect than a helicopter ever could be. If there are airports near by I guarantee you AF1 will be at one of them and in arfcom tradition why not get both? Why cant he take AF1 to JFK Laguardia (sp?) and executive one to Trump tower? It's not Executive One if the President is on board. It's Marine One. 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:17:22 PM EDT
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What is Executive one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you think he'll use AF1 to make the trip between NYC and the WH? Absolutely!
Think about it for a second, if the shit hit's the fan and he's up in NY with EXecutive one, it may very well be too risky to fly him back to DC (Maryland actually) so that he can board AF1 and stay aloft. I'm sure you remember 9/11, President Bush was rushed to AF1 and stayed airborn until things could be sorted out. It's late here, Marine One. 
ETA: You get my point. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:17:35 PM EDT
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I'm sure he'd like to use his own 757, but AF1 is a much better plane for a President.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:17:44 PM EDT
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It's not Executive One if the President is on board. It's Marine One. yeah yeah I slipped. 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:20:26 PM EDT
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Of course not, AF1 is used where applicable and I'm pretty sure NY has plenty of airports. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They can land that thing at Camp David? Who knew? Of course not, AF1 is used where applicable and I'm pretty sure NY has plenty of airports. Let me explain: The person I was responding to said if the president leaves D.C. so does AF1. Camp David isn't in D.C. The president rides in his helio-chopper to get there, not AF1. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:26:11 PM EDT
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Your sarcasm meter must be due for calibration. Let me explain: The person I was responding to said if the president leaves D.C. so does AF1. Camp David isn't in D.C. The president rides in his helio-chopper to get there, not AF1. I need to go to bed.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:38:01 PM EDT
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I need to go to bed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your sarcasm meter must be due for calibration. Let me explain: The person I was responding to said if the president leaves D.C. so does AF1. Camp David isn't in D.C. The president rides in his helio-chopper to get there, not AF1. I need to go to bed.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:52:50 PM EDT
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The logistics of protecting Trump in his NYC home are probably driving the SS folks nuts. Commuting back and forth to DC is probably making it worse.
My bet is that they'll transport him in something like an Osprey. Door to door in about an hour. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Absolutely!
Think about it for a second, if the shit hit's the fan and he's up in NY with EXecutive one, it may very well be too risky to fly him back to DC (Maryland actually) so that he can board AF1 and stay aloft. I'm sure you remember 9/11, President Bush was rushed to AF1 and stayed airborn until things could be sorted out. It was only called "Executive 1" because the President wasn't on board. When the Obamas took the plane to California, it was "SAM 28000" (or whatever the tail number is.) Both "Air Force 1" and "Marine 1" denote the passenger, not the aircraft. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:09:47 PM EDT
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Of course not, AF1 is used where applicable and I'm pretty sure NY has plenty of airports. Hagerstown is very close to Camp David. I think they just lengthened the runway to accommodate AF1. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:10:47 PM EDT
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Where did you read that he will commute back and forth? I am sure he will visit NYC, but live in the White House.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:17:53 PM EDT
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Absolutely!
Think about it for a second, if the shit hit's the fan and he's up in NY with EXecutive one, it may very well be too risky to fly him back to DC (Maryland actually) so that he can board AF1 and stay aloft. I'm sure you remember 9/11, President Bush was rushed to AF1 and stayed airborn until things could be sorted out. Just det one of them to JFK or LGA. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:18:45 PM EDT
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HMX-1 has Ospreys. If they can't land, fast rope in, SPIE out 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:20:10 PM EDT
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Correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure if the president leaves DC so does AF1 Correct. Even to cities with large centralized airports. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:39:58 PM EDT
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Where did you read that he will commute back and forth? I am sure he will visit NYC, but live in the White House. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:40:13 PM EDT
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There are TWO airframes that can be AF-1. Just det one of them to JFK or LGA. Not necessarily the case, any USAF aircraft with POTUS on board is AF-1. It's uncommon but not unheard of for the POTUS to travel in a USAF 757 or Gulfstream, in which case that plane would be AF-1. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:48:56 PM EDT
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Not necessarily the case, any USAF aircraft with POTUS on board is AF-1. It's uncommon but not unheard of for the POTUS to travel in a USAF 757 or Gulfstream, in which case that plane would be AF-1. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:27:59 PM EDT
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I don't think a 747 can land a laguardia. It's too big. I think the largest plane that can land there is the 767-400
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:34:19 PM EDT
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HMX-1 has Ospreys. If they can't land, fast rope in, SPIE out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's only 204 miles by air. 43 minute flight time by airplane. Not sure how fast copter us or if it can land on Trump Tower. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:37:38 PM EDT
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Any normal movement from DC to NYC is going to utilize both assets (HMX twice)
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:40:29 PM EDT
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I don't think a 747 can land a laguardia. It's too big. I think the largest plane that can land there is the 767-400 I bet Melania and Baron ride the Gulfstream frequently, the logistics would be much easier and significantly reduced cost vs moving Trump. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:42:24 PM EDT
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I don't think a 747 can land a laguardia. It's too big. I think the largest plane that can land there is the 767-400 Yeah, I think LGA is a tight fit for a 747. And not much room for error (like Pence's plane running out of runway). |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 5:43:46 PM EDT
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I don't think a 747 can land a laguardia. It's too big. I think the largest plane that can land there is the 767-400 JFK can (and does) take 747s. I feel for the people that live around there, constant presidential motorcades are going to be a PITA to deal with. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the roof of Trump tower can accommodate a helicopter, even if it was allowed. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 6:52:51 PM EDT
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JFK can (and does) take 747s. I feel for the people that live around there, constant presidential motorcades are going to be a PITA to deal with. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the roof of Trump tower can accommodate a helicopter, even if it was allowed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think a 747 can land a laguardia. It's too big. I think the largest plane that can land there is the 767-400 JFK can (and does) take 747s. I feel for the people that live around there, constant presidential motorcades are going to be a PITA to deal with. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the roof of Trump tower can accommodate a helicopter, even if it was allowed. When Clinton was regularly travelling to NYC the drill was that AF-1 flew him into JFK and would then shuttle down to McGuire AFB and sit there if needed for a fast exit or wait until his scheduled departure. In either case they would fly back to JFK, pick him up and return to DC. I don't see anything different being done for Trump. The big issue is transportation from JFK to Trump Tower. Ground transport is going to be a nightmare with all the traffic shut downs required by Secret Service. They could use a chopper to get from JFK to one of the heliports on the East River or the Hudson and then convoy to the Tower. Ideally they would be able to chopper to the Tower, but I don't think that the building has a helipad based on a look at Google Earth. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 6:59:44 PM EDT
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He's gonna take the train like he used to.
He's a pretty good shit, actually. He saw I had a new newspaper and bought me a coupla beers for giving it to him. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:31:50 PM EDT
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I don't think there are any active rooftop helipads left in NYC after the Pan Am (now Met Life) accident in the late 1970's.
Even if he chose to fly by helicopter, AF 1 would be flown up to the NYC area. Wherever the POTUS travels, there is a backup means of transport available with him and it must be in place upon arrival. That is the reason for the second presidential limo in the motorcade and the other Marine One landing just before he lands, they are not "decoys," contrary to urban legends. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:46:19 PM EDT
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Uncle Ronnie used to take the VH-3D from either LAX or Naval Air Station Point Mugu to his ranch Rancho del Cielo in Santa Barbara, Ca.
That was about an hour flight. Air Force one would stay at either LAX or Point Mugu. 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:58:27 PM EDT
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He'll just take the train Only if it's Taggart's Comet. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:59:08 PM EDT
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Uncle Ronnie used to take the VH-3D from either LAX or Naval Air Station Point Mugu to his ranch Rancho del Cielo in Santa Barbara, Ca. That was about an hour flight. Air Force one would stay at either LAX or Point Mugu. https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c35775-28.jpg https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c39551-16A.jpg I saw AF1, or maybe the backup plane, at March AFB (Riverside County) often when Reagan was in California. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:17:35 PM EDT
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Unless he goes to EWR, Kennedy is in Bumfuck, Queens and suck major hairy balls, and AF1 cannot land at LGA which is everyone's first choice. He needs a smaller jet, like I think it's called VF25, I used to hear them being called by the Air Farce guys in DC as "Scatbacks"
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:26:47 PM EDT
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If I was President I would bring back Presidential train travel.
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