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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:22:28 PM EDT
I am looking for 25-round single-stack magazines for the Madsen light machine gun. I will of course offer fabulous rewards to the arfcommer(s) who can find me some.
There are plenty of people who sell the (later) model of 30-round double-stack magazine (typically used for 8mm and .30-06). I have plenty of those magazines. It's worth noting that people sometimes (mistakenly) describe the 30-round double-stack mags as 25 round mags. That is incorrect. The double-stack mags are always 30 rounds. What I am looking for are the longer single-stack magazines. Below are some photos, showing both next to each other. I am looking for the longer and thinner (single-stack) mag. The shorter and thicker one is the 30-round double-stack for comparison. If someone can find me some, I would be VERY grateful. I currently have a relatively early model Madsen, which can ONLY take the single-stack mags. Unfortunately, the mags are not interchangeable. Luckily, I do have a few of the single-stack mags, which came with the gun when I bought it. But it would be nice to have more mags, because these are quite fragile, and bend easily (since they are made of brass). 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:24:13 PM EDT
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Would it be worthwhile to model and 3d print them?
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:28:45 PM EDT
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Would it be worthwhile to model and 3d print them? I literally know nothing about 3D printing, so I cannot really answer that. I would worry that whatever material used for 3D printing might be too brittle.  If 3D printing is advanced enough to do metal, some aluminum versions of these would be amazing to have!! 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:31:51 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure you're fooked.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:35:07 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure you're fooked. Yeah. I've been looking for a while. 
Plus, last time I asked for ARFCOM's collective help - to find me a firing pin for a Carl Gustav anti-tank gun - they failed me. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:37:05 PM EDT
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Yeah. I've been looking for a while.
Plus, last time I asked for ARFCOM's collective help - to find me a firing pin for a Carl Gustav anti-tank gun - they failed me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm pretty sure you're fooked. Yeah. I've been looking for a while.
Plus, last time I asked for ARFCOM's collective help - to find me a firing pin for a Carl Gustav anti-tank gun - they failed me. I'm surprised someone didn't offer to make you one! |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:38:00 PM EDT
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I'm surprised someone didn't offer to make you one! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm pretty sure you're fooked. Yeah. I've been looking for a while.
Plus, last time I asked for ARFCOM's collective help - to find me a firing pin for a Carl Gustav anti-tank gun - they failed me. I'm surprised someone didn't offer to make you one! That is undoubtedly the route I am eventually going to have to go. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:38:41 PM EDT
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Those look simple enough I bet some garage tinkerer could come fairly close with a metal brake and some relatively thin stainless. OK, and a welder. And maybe a bit of JB weld...
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:39:40 PM EDT
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Pics of Madsen?
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:42:58 PM EDT
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Where is the best place to look? I.e, were they used mostly in central / South America? Parts of Africa? The Kingdom of Dane? I travel a lot and if I hit "high probability" areas I'll be on the lookout.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:44:06 PM EDT
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I'll keep my eyes open around here.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:44:27 PM EDT
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Have you tried any Danish or EU firearm forums?
Those look pretty simple to make |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:46:26 PM EDT
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I have some contacts and I am going to do some digging. As for the firing pin do you have any prints, specs or even a broken one?
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:47:54 PM EDT
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I will check with my Import/Export contacts in Brazil. I'm also on some foreign gun forums and one of them is in Brazil.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:49:23 PM EDT
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I have some contacts and I am going to do some digging. As for the firing pin do you have any prints, specs or even a broken one? Thanks! I have a ground down firing pin, as well as detailed photos and measures of an intact one. It's a slightly complicated design. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:49:23 PM EDT
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Looks like they are still fielded in Brazil. Wonder if you could get some shipped up from there. Prob the double stacks though.
Keep checking gunbroker, I saw a lot of completed auctions for what looked to be single stacks but hard to tell from lack of detailed descriptions.  |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:50:24 PM EDT
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I think Brazil finally stopped using Madsens a few years ago. Those are definitely the (later) double-stack ones in the picture, though.
But it is likely that my Madsen probably was used in Brazil, so that might be a good place to look. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:51:24 PM EDT
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I will check with my Import/Export contacts in Brazil. I'm also on some foreign gun forums and one of them is in Brazil. I saw you mention that in the other thread, and I really appreciate it!!! 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:52:47 PM EDT
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Where is the best place to look? I.e, were they used mostly in central / South America? Parts of Africa? The Kingdom of Dane? I travel a lot and if I hit "high probability" areas I'll be on the lookout. They were used in many different countries. For example, Russia bought some in the early 1900s. The Germans used them in limited numbers in WW1. But, you are correct that they were quite popular in central and southern America. It is likely that the one I have was used in Brazil. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:55:50 PM EDT
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From the thread title I was thinking that this would be a first issues of "Playboy", "Penthouse", and "Hustler" (or of "Mustang", "Blue Boy", and "FLAME") quest.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:56:51 PM EDT
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Have you tried any Danish or EU firearm forums? Those look pretty simple to make They are not. Curved bend= form punch and die and press. I know a guy to ask. I'll text him tonight. Prof, you have a print for the firing pin? Eta; beat by a few. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:57:40 PM EDT
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I can see using a brass body for the corrosion factor, but how does the feed lips hold up?
Does the mag have a steel reinforcement? Does the gun have the main feed lips and the brass part is more of container? |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:58:17 PM EDT
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I can see using a brass body for the corrosion factor, but how does the feed lips hold up? Does the mag have a steel reinforcement? Does the gun have the main feed lips and the brass part is more of container? The mags have no feed lips. 
Although the part of the magazine that locks in the gun (the very "top") is made of steel rather than brass - presumably to avoid deformation. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:01:14 PM EDT
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Holy shit, I had a random guy come in the shop about 2 months ago with one.
Wish I would have bought it from him, I was the only one who knew what it was |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:02:46 PM EDT
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From the thread title I was thinking that this would be a first issues of "Playboy", "Penthouse", and "Hustler" (or of "Mustang", "Blue Boy", and "FLAME") quest. Nope. Most in the know prefer vintage JUGGS and OUI. Somewhere there is a footlocker containing a pile of 25 round Madsen magazines lovingly wrapped in oil soaked pages ripped out of a copy of JUGGS. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw you mention that in the other thread, and I really appreciate it!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will check with my Import/Export contacts in Brazil. I'm also on some foreign gun forums and one of them is in Brazil. I saw you mention that in the other thread, and I really appreciate it!!! |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:06:08 PM EDT
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Holy shit, I had a random guy come in the shop about 2 months ago with one. Wish I would have bought it from him, I was the only one who knew what it was
Seriously? What a bizarre coincidence.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:07:08 PM EDT
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They were used in many different countries. For example, Russia bought some in the early 1900s. The Germans used them in limited numbers in WW1. But, you are correct that they were quite popular in central and southern America. It is likely that the one I have was used in Brazil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is the best place to look? I.e, were they used mostly in central / South America? Parts of Africa? The Kingdom of Dane? I travel a lot and if I hit "high probability" areas I'll be on the lookout. They were used in many different countries. For example, Russia bought some in the early 1900s. The Germans used them in limited numbers in WW1. But, you are correct that they were quite popular in central and southern America. It is likely that the one I have was used in Brazil. Good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:07:35 PM EDT
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Good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is the best place to look? I.e, were they used mostly in central / South America? Parts of Africa? The Kingdom of Dane? I travel a lot and if I hit "high probability" areas I'll be on the lookout. They were used in many different countries. For example, Russia bought some in the early 1900s. The Germans used them in limited numbers in WW1. But, you are correct that they were quite popular in central and southern America. It is likely that the one I have was used in Brazil. Good to know. I'll keep my eyes peeled Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? What a bizarre coincidence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy shit, I had a random guy come in the shop about 2 months ago with one. Wish I would have bought it from him, I was the only one who knew what it was Seriously? What a bizarre coincidence. I think one of the owners knows the guy. I'll ask monday |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:08:54 PM EDT
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I would try emailing Ian at Forgotten Weapons. If anybody would know it'd be him.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:09:10 PM EDT
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From the thread title I was thinking that this would be a first issues of "Playboy", "Penthouse", and "Hustler" (or of "Mustang", "Blue Boy", and "FLAME") quest. I wouldn't turn my nose up at a 1987 Jessica Hahn Playboy magazine. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:10:08 PM EDT
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Since I had no idea what a Madsen LMG even looked like:
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:10:44 PM EDT
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If they mean that much to you and cost isn't an object and decent machine shop/sheet metal shop should be able to replicate one for you. Same with the firing pin
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:42:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The mags have no feed lips. Although the part of the magazine that locks in the gun (the very "top") is made of steel rather than brass - presumably to avoid deformation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can see using a brass body for the corrosion factor, but how does the feed lips hold up? Does the mag have a steel reinforcement? Does the gun have the main feed lips and the brass part is more of container? The mags have no feed lips. Although the part of the magazine that locks in the gun (the very "top") is made of steel rather than brass - presumably to avoid deformation. Interesting design  |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:43:19 PM EDT
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I take it you tried all the usual suspects, That Dude in Oregon, SARCO, Numrich?
A while back when I was looking for Madsen tripods, I stopped by and talked to Hayes Otoupalik who has a several million dollar militaria collection and he suggested that if there is any rare or unique thing you are looking for in the world of militaria, to just put an ad in the shotgun news looking to buy it. He said you can get a 90% success rate by doing that. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:44:54 PM EDT
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Found some different drawings of the guns function. Interesting design http://www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/images/3517_506_147-madsen-machine-gun.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can see using a brass body for the corrosion factor, but how does the feed lips hold up? Does the mag have a steel reinforcement? Does the gun have the main feed lips and the brass part is more of container? The mags have no feed lips.
Although the part of the magazine that locks in the gun (the very "top") is made of steel rather than brass - presumably to avoid deformation. Interesting design http://www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/images/3517_506_147-madsen-machine-gun.jpg Yes. It is a highly unusual design, which means that the barrel/bolt/mechanism really do not reciprocate very far at all - allowing for a VERY compact receiver. There's an excellent video by Ian at Forgotten Weapons, who explains it very well.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:48:10 PM EDT
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I literally know nothing about 3D printing, so I cannot really answer that. I would worry that whatever material used for 3D printing might be too brittle. If 3D printing is advanced enough to do metal, some aluminum versions of these would be amazing to have!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would it be worthwhile to model and 3d print them? I literally know nothing about 3D printing, so I cannot really answer that. I would worry that whatever material used for 3D printing might be too brittle. If 3D printing is advanced enough to do metal, some aluminum versions of these would be amazing to have!! The term you seek is "Additive Manufacturing". |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:52:09 PM EDT
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Dammit, I thought you meant something like this.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:52:16 PM EDT
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Thanks! I have a ground down firing pin, as well as detailed photos and measures of an intact one. It's a slightly complicated design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have some contacts and I am going to do some digging. As for the firing pin do you have any prints, specs or even a broken one? Thanks! I have a ground down firing pin, as well as detailed photos and measures of an intact one. It's a slightly complicated design. Ground down firing pin? Tried to make it full auto eh?
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:56:04 PM EDT
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And here i thought the original waffle mags were hard to find.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:57:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:01:38 PM EDT
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Those are the double stack 30 rd ones. He's looking for the single stack 25 rd one for the earlier 7x57 Mauser model. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:06:09 PM EDT
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Those are the double stack 30 rd ones. He's looking for the single stack 25 rd one for the earlier 7x57 Mauser model. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those are the double stack 30 rd ones. He's looking for the single stack 25 rd one for the earlier 7x57 Mauser model. Huh, pics in the add look just like his pics. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:12:25 PM EDT
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Huh, pics in the add look just like his pics. No, you can see in the third pic, that these are the "swelled out" double stack version. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:19:19 PM EDT
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No, you can see in the third pic, that these are the "swelled out" double stack version. http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/591830000/591830814/pix042031672.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Huh, pics in the add look just like his pics. No, you can see in the third pic, that these are the "swelled out" double stack version. http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/591830000/591830814/pix042031672.jpg Yep. These are unfortunately the shorter and thicker double-stacked ones. They ARE in amazing (like new) condition, and the magazine pouch is also in great condition - but not the right magazines. ETA: Another difference, if you look at the photos I posted - is that the double-stacked ones have LOTS of little rivets on them, whereas the single-stack ones have very few. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:26:07 PM EDT
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I'm so retarded. I'm on a gun site, and still, when I read your title I was thinking "well, gee. I have a stack of Ham Radio magazines from the 1930's and 1940's, I wonder if I'll win?"
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:27:08 PM EDT
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I have access to a warehouse full of dusty shit like that....I'll put my Indy outfit on and dig around next week
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:27:21 PM EDT
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I'm so retarded. I'm on a gun site, and still, when I read your title I was thinking "well, gee. I have a stack of Ham Radio magazines from the 1930's and 1940's, I wonder if I'll win?" LOL Don't feel bad. With me, you never know.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:31:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:41:20 PM EDT
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Tagscribed. Will keep my feelers out.
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