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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:53:10 AM EDT
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/world/asia/seal-team-6-afghanistan-man-left-for-dead.html?_r=0&referer=
He looked back over at Sergeant Chapman. The laser was no longer moving, Chief Slabinski recalls, though he was not close enough to check the airman’s pulse. Chased by bullets that hit a second SEAL in the leg, the chief said, he crawled on top of the sergeant but could not detect any response, so he slid down the mountain face with the other men. When they reached temporary cover, one asked: “Where’s John? Where’s Chappy?” Chief Slabinski responded, “He’s dead.” View Quote |
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If they have proof he was still alive, why don't they bring "chief" up on charges?
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Step aside, let Clint Eastwood direct this and Bradley Cooper take lead.
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I'm not going to judge the team's actions during the firefight, but what a fucking shit show that led them to be put in that position.
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials."
That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." |
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials." That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." View Quote Why don't we ever hear the stories of SF teams or Marine Recon guys getting in against all odds firefights? |
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials." That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." View Quote Maybe because they have no basic infantry skills. |
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Why don't we ever hear the stories of SF teams or Marine Recon guys getting in against all odds firefights? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials." That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." Why don't we ever hear the stories of SF teams or Marine Recon guys getting in against all odds firefights? Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. |
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Sounds like the SEALs were too lazy to hike and decided to take a helo trip straight onto an enemy position.
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Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials." That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." Why don't we ever hear the stories of SF teams or Marine Recon guys getting in against all odds firefights? Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. Bro, rucking causes you to sweat and sweating totally ruins hair gel. #myflow |
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ARFCOM take note - When the SHTF and it is TEOTWAWKI, if I'm dead, don't get yourselves shot up trying to gather my dust. Save yourselves (and any useful materials that were once mine) to fight another day.
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I read "Roberts Ridge", is this the same battle?
ETA: Did some reading and it is. |
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Navy SEAL's halo in, halo out...
You know, give me a couple dozen Lance Corporal and a 100 million a year for ops and gear and I could assemble the most daring daring unit to walk the earth. Said LCpl's will not at any time have a good conduct medel. |
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Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials." That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." Why don't we ever hear the stories of SF teams or Marine Recon guys getting in against all odds firefights? Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. Someone didn't read the article. That was not the original plan. |
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My .02 cents is to keep my pie hole shut. I wasn't there and Iam not military. My sympathies to those
families who lost love ones. My thanks to those that served. I only know it takes courage to put your self in harms way. |
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ARFCOM take note - When the SHTF and it is TEOTWAWKI, if I'm dead, don't get yourselves shot up trying to gather my dust. Save yourselves (and any useful materials that were once mine) to fight another day. View Quote Sounds like your asking me to steal your shot when you die Mission accepted |
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tough terran with a dedicated opponent. Was a bad day for SOF
18B30......I put the fangs into Cobra 64! |
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Came to post this. "Not a Good Day to Die" by Sean Naylor. What a cluster. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a Good Day to Die covers all that very well. Came to post this. "Not a Good Day to Die" by Sean Naylor. What a cluster. The article was written by Sean Naylor as well... |
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Quoted: It's one of the few topics on ARFcom that usually stays pretty consistent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ITT Guys who love to hate on SEALS on the internet It's one of the few topics on ARFcom that usually stays pretty consistent. This, and the threads about CAS where the shoeclerks and nevers-served-at-alls argue about stuff they don't understand. RIP TSgt Chapman. |
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My question is simple.... Would he have left a SEAL behind? If the answer was yes, then I'm good with it.
I have known some fantastic frogmen, but the reoccurring theme is they are not operating in their environment and it shows. As already posted, I'll take an objective with a pack of lance criminals or preferably bat boys before I go with a team that doesn't plan its own missions and isn't trained for it. Then again, the navy has its nose in all sorts of things it has no business in IMHO. |
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The events surrounding the ill-fated mission have long been controversial, partly because Chief Slabinski has said previously that higher-level officers denied his request to delay it 24 hours to reduce the risks. View Quote Chief Slabinski’s plan was to land by helicopter near the base of the 10,000-foot mountain around midnight and climb up stealthily, but a series of delays involving aircraft left no time to do that before dawn. Under pressure from superiors, he said, he reluctantly flew to the peak at about 3 a.m. View Quote It sounds like, at least according to him the way the mission was carried out was not up to the guys on the ground. |
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RIP Airman. Did your service fucking proud for sure.
War is a scary and sometimes confusing thing. Sure seems to be consistently more confusing for the teams than everyone else. |
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ITT guys who had to clean up messes for SEALS down range on the internet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ITT Guys who love to hate on SEALS on the internet ITT guys who had to clean up messes for SEALS down range on the internet. Lol. BTDT for fucking sure. |
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Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"The new account of Sergeant Chapman’s last act reopens old wounds for SEAL Team 6, the elite Navy unit that would later kill Osama bin Laden. The findings could rekindle tensions between Team 6 and other Special Operations organizations that lost men in the March 4, 2002, mission, which they felt the SEALs had planned and executed poorly, according to current and former military officials." That's their fucking MO. They roll into missions with the mindset of, "We're SEALS, fuck METT-TSL" ETA: No fucking shit. "the SEALs had “violated a basic tenet of reconnaissance” by landing directly on their observation post instead of hiking up to it." Why don't we ever hear the stories of SF teams or Marine Recon guys getting in against all odds firefights? Because Helo insterts on top of your LP/OP is fucking amateur hour. edited, i was being inconsiderate |
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Navy SEAL's halo in, halo out... You know, give me a couple dozen Lance Corporal and a 100 million a year for ops and gear and I could assemble the most daring daring unit to walk the earth. Said LCpl's will not at any time have a good conduct medel. View Quote how do you HALO out? can you describe that? |
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That was a good read. Sounds like higher higher made bad call if what the chief says is true. And reading military history, I don't doubt it is. Op went sideways. And then poop happened.
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It sounds like, at least according to him the way the mission was carried out was not up to the guys on the ground. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The events surrounding the ill-fated mission have long been controversial, partly because Chief Slabinski has said previously that higher-level officers denied his request to delay it 24 hours to reduce the risks. Chief Slabinski’s plan was to land by helicopter near the base of the 10,000-foot mountain around midnight and climb up stealthily, but a series of delays involving aircraft left no time to do that before dawn. Under pressure from superiors, he said, he reluctantly flew to the peak at about 3 a.m. It sounds like, at least according to him the way the mission was carried out was not up to the guys on the ground. Blaber told them not to do it and Slabinksi said they had no choice. All you can eat shit sandwich followed. Its been a long time since I read Naylor or Blabers books but I remember a lot of wtf from them. |
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how do you HALO out? can you describe that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Navy SEAL's halo in, halo out... You know, give me a couple dozen Lance Corporal and a 100 million a year for ops and gear and I could assemble the most daring daring unit to walk the earth. Said LCpl's will not at any time have a good conduct medel. how do you HALO out? can you describe that? You put the DVR on reverse silly! |
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