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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:38:42 PM EDT
 Some of this footage is quite early in the war. They are using underfolder RPK's which were pretty uncommon. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:43:55 PM EDT
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians?
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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:51:43 PM EDT
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:03:44 PM EDT
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Something like that...then we saved the Orthodox Christians from the Catholics. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:08:38 PM EDT
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Which side/faction was that footage shot from?
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:18:17 PM EDT
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Why did you post that? I was just getting over my desire for a M70B1.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:22:34 PM EDT
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It appears the Serbs are familiar with the purpose of rifle stocks.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:23:52 PM EDT
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It's hard for me to tell exactly who's pictured in this footage.
However, the mechanized column driving through the village? - those are Serbs. Notice the kids with 3 fingers up? That hand gesture is an Eastern Orthodox gesture. I It's meant to represent to Holy trinity. Only Serbs use it though. Almost all Croats are Roman Catholic. "Bosnians" are a mix of orthodox Serbs, catholic Croats, and moslims. It is possible that all of this footage was shot by Serbs. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:27:39 PM EDT
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Which side/faction was that footage shot from? Serbs |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:31:44 PM EDT
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I've got a pretty good amount of Bosnian friends/acquaintances and they've talked about the war (most were 6-10 years old or so) and all the shit they were put through. Really puts a lot in perspective.
Also, Bosnian-style Islam is about as close as it gets to being tolerable. They all drink, most eat pork, they keep beheadings to a minimum. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:32:28 PM EDT
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:33:11 PM EDT
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I've got a pretty good amount of Bosnian friends/acquaintances and they've talked about the war (most were 6-10 years old or so) and all the shit they were put through. Really puts a lot in perspective. Also, Bosnian-style Islam is about as close as it gets to being tolerable. They all drink, most eat pork, they keep beheadings to a minimum. and treat women like cattle. and, as you noted, thats as good as it gets. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:33:42 PM EDT
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:34:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. So Bill Clinton could get re-elected. He needed a war so he shit one where he could be a big hero. No other fucking reason. I was grown and already married, but not nearly as politically aware as I am now. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:36:22 PM EDT
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Which side/faction was that footage shot from? The Croats wore red bandanas/markings. There were some shots (pun) in the beginning of Sarajevo to which the Serbs laid siege; looked like what would have been Serb forces firing into Sarajevo. That war was quite a hodgepodge of regular, irregular, paramilitary, rogue, mercenary, et al forces and quite possible the most fucked up place I've ever been...at least they did the most fucked up things to each other of any place I can think of. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:37:12 PM EDT
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and treat women like cattle. and, as you noted, thats as good as it gets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a pretty good amount of Bosnian friends/acquaintances and they've talked about the war (most were 6-10 years old or so) and all the shit they were put through. Really puts a lot in perspective. Also, Bosnian-style Islam is about as close as it gets to being tolerable. They all drink, most eat pork, they keep beheadings to a minimum. and treat women like cattle. and, as you noted, thats as good as it gets. Bosnian women: Some smoking hot, some look like mutants, all are hairy/fuzzy. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serbs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which side/faction was that footage shot from? Serbs Generally the Serbs stick out like a sore thumb in the footage. Typical Yugo Camo etc etc |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:38:05 PM EDT
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Which side/faction was that footage shot from? Should be Serbs since they had lots of armor |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:38:28 PM EDT
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. Supposedly what Bubba read in Balkan Ghosts is why Clinton decided to intervene. It's funny, because when I read that book my first thought was, "why would anyone want to get involved in that mess?" |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:39:45 PM EDT
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. It was a crime. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:42:09 PM EDT
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It's hard for me to tell exactly who's pictured in this footage. However, the mechanized column driving through the village? - those are Serbs. Notice the kids with 3 fingers up? That hand gesture is an Eastern Orthodox gesture. I It's meant to represent to Holy trinity. Only Serbs use it though. Almost all Croats are Roman Catholic. "Bosnians" are a mix of orthodox Serbs, catholic Croats, and moslims. It is possible that all of this footage was shot by Serbs. I didn't watch the vid in it's entirety and missed that but you are correct: the 3-fingered "Serb salute." |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:47:04 PM EDT
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TUPAC IS ALIVE IN SERBIA
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a crime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. It was a crime. Basically after Tito died all the republics wanted independence. Slovenia got away with it as well as Macedonia. Where the fun started was Croatia and later Bosnia. Croatia and Bosnia are very much a mixture of ethnicity and Slobodan and the Serb nationalists wanted to keep Yugoslavia together and and part of it which Serbs inhabited. The Serbians living in these countries didn't want independence it was their country too. Croatia has a bad past with the Ustache(Nazi allies) as well as the Bosnians did have SS volunteers from that part of the region. Croatia declaring independence plus embracing the checkerboard was the equivilent of waving the Nazi flag in the faces of the Serbs. The Croatians bought guns from Romania and Hungary to form their own army and the JNA did not want this....They tried various tactics to disarm the Croats but no dice. The war began a few weeks later. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 3:14:56 PM EDT
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Eh.... Basically after Tito died all the republics wanted independence. Slovenia got away with it as well as Macedonia. Where the fun started was Croatia and later Bosnia. Croatia and Bosnia are very much a mixture of ethnicity and Slobodan and the Serb nationalists wanted to keep Yugoslavia together and and part of it which Serbs inhabited. The Serbians living in these countries didn't want independence it was their country too. Croatia has a bad past with the Ustache(Nazi allies) as well as the Bosnians did have SS volunteers from that part of the region. Croatia declaring independence plus embracing the checkerboard was the equivilent of waving the Nazi flag in the faces of the Serbs. The Croatians bought guns from Romania and Hungary to form their own army and the JNA did not want this....They tried various tactics to disarm the Croats but no dice. The war began a few weeks later. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. It was a crime. Basically after Tito died all the republics wanted independence. Slovenia got away with it as well as Macedonia. Where the fun started was Croatia and later Bosnia. Croatia and Bosnia are very much a mixture of ethnicity and Slobodan and the Serb nationalists wanted to keep Yugoslavia together and and part of it which Serbs inhabited. The Serbians living in these countries didn't want independence it was their country too. Croatia has a bad past with the Ustache(Nazi allies) as well as the Bosnians did have SS volunteers from that part of the region. Croatia declaring independence plus embracing the checkerboard was the equivilent of waving the Nazi flag in the faces of the Serbs. The Croatians bought guns from Romania and Hungary to form their own army and the JNA did not want this....They tried various tactics to disarm the Croats but no dice. The war began a few weeks later. I know all about the conflict, I was referring to our involvement in support of the Bosnians, and worse, our later actions against Serbia regarding those gangsters in Kosovo. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 5:56:29 PM EDT
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 http://youtu.be/y6JGvry-o5M
Some of this footage is quite early in the war. They are using underfolder RPK's which were pretty uncommon. Embed into link |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:05:03 PM EDT
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They all did screwed up shit to eachother. However, I think serbs did more. Screbrenica was bad. All are guilty to one degree or another though.
I had a hot exchange student friend in high school who was a bosnian serb. Should have heard her talk.....We were close friends, but she had been borderline brainwashed by her serb people. Absolutely refused to believe in any serb war crimes. Thought bisnians were almost not human, croats only slightly better. Also argued that serbs had anright to bosnia going back to june 28 1389. When the turks defeated the serbs at the battle of kosovo. Fun to talk to though. Even more fun to look at. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:18:41 PM EDT
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Bosnia, ISIS, Mexico, you always see a bunch of worried looking guys loading one of their two mags with loose rounds in the middle of a firefight. Let that be a lesson.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:20:39 PM EDT
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I was with first US Combat Troops to be placed under UN Command......by Bill Clinton....Matter of fact we still have troops there, what's our exit plan?
FYROM UNPROFOR July 93-Jan 94, spent time on border, did motorized and foot patrol along the Albanian and Hungarian border for smuggler routes. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:21:28 PM EDT
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Say what you will about the Serbs, they sure did know how to ethnically cleanse
I honestly do not know a lot about this particular conflict or which side is "right" |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:32:22 PM EDT
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They all did screwed up shit to eachother. However, I think serbs did more. Screbrenica was bad. All are guilty to one degree or another though. I had a hot exchange student friend in high school who was a bosnian serb. Should have heard her talk.....We were close friends, but she had been borderline brainwashed by her serb people. Absolutely refused to believe in any serb war crimes. Thought bisnians were almost not human, croats only slightly better. Also argued that serbs had anright to bosnia going back to june 28 1389. When the turks defeated the serbs at the battle of kosovo. Fun to talk to though. Even more fun to look at. Are you saying she was wrong? |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:41:56 PM EDT
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I found some more combat footage. Talk about a hot infil. Why can't I embed? I've only been here 12 years.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4 |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:48:14 PM EDT
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Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Correct. I did time in Kosovo from October 2001 to June 2002. Protecting moderate Muslims from those evil Christians. Bond steel or montieth? I was at montieth same time frame |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:48:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:01:15 PM EDT
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Eh.... Basically after Tito died all the republics wanted independence. Slovenia got away with it as well as Macedonia. Where the fun started was Croatia and later Bosnia. Croatia and Bosnia are very much a mixture of ethnicity and Slobodan and the Serb nationalists wanted to keep Yugoslavia together and and part of it which Serbs inhabited. The Serbians living in these countries didn't want independence it was their country too. Croatia has a bad past with the Ustache(Nazi allies) as well as the Bosnians did have SS volunteers from that part of the region. Croatia declaring independence plus embracing the checkerboard was the equivilent of waving the Nazi flag in the faces of the Serbs. The Croatians bought guns from Romania and Hungary to form their own army and the JNA did not want this....They tried various tactics to disarm the Croats but no dice. The war began a few weeks later. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have always wondered why the U.S. involved ourselves in this conflict. It was a crime. Basically after Tito died all the republics wanted independence. Slovenia got away with it as well as Macedonia. Where the fun started was Croatia and later Bosnia. Croatia and Bosnia are very much a mixture of ethnicity and Slobodan and the Serb nationalists wanted to keep Yugoslavia together and and part of it which Serbs inhabited. The Serbians living in these countries didn't want independence it was their country too. Croatia has a bad past with the Ustache(Nazi allies) as well as the Bosnians did have SS volunteers from that part of the region. Croatia declaring independence plus embracing the checkerboard was the equivilent of waving the Nazi flag in the faces of the Serbs. The Croatians bought guns from Romania and Hungary to form their own army and the JNA did not want this....They tried various tactics to disarm the Croats but no dice. The war began a few weeks later. One thing I find ironic is that this whole breakdown was the culmination of Serbia's effort to break apart that region of the Austro-Hungarian Empire so that they could have dominance over the Slavs in that part of the world. They succeeded and created Yugoslavia, and suffered a breakup due in part to nationalist ideology which is what drove the original Serbian efforts against the A-H Empire. Looking at the A-H Empire's maps detailing regions by language, ethnicity more broadly, and religion is interesting. I doubt they still exist today, but there used to be majority-German regions in what became Yugoslavia. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:08:14 PM EDT
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Which side/faction was that footage shot from? Serbs Met a Serb a few years back. He was in his early teens when the war broke out He fought in the war and has interesting things to say. From my research and from what he has told me we backed the wrong side. Guy and his family went through some bad stuff. He and his little sis are the only ones that he knows are alive. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:09:54 PM EDT
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Met a Serb a few years back. He was in his early teens when the war broke out He fought in the war and has interesting things to say. From my research and from what he has told me he backed the wrong side. Guy and his family went through some bad stuff. He and his little sis are the only ones that he knows are alive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which side/faction was that footage shot from? Serbs Met a Serb a few years back. He was in his early teens when the war broke out He fought in the war and has interesting things to say. From my research and from what he has told me he backed the wrong side. Guy and his family went through some bad stuff. He and his little sis are the only ones that he knows are alive. The Serbian government has been nothing but composed of scumbags since the last dynasty murdered the king and royal family and took power. They've instigated nasty shit both within their country and without and to this day are scumbags. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:14:02 PM EDT
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Something like that...then we saved the Orthodox Christians from the Catholics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is that the war where we saved the muslims from the evil christians? Something like that...then we saved the Orthodox Christians from the Catholics. Wait, when was this? I thought US/NATO helped Croats wipe out/evict all Serbs in Croatia. Or you mean later, when NATO-supported Catholics started killing NATO-supported Muslims, and all libtards were like "WTF we thought they were both cute and fluffy"? Or some other occasion? I don't mean to be sarcastic, I really don't know that clusterfuck all that well. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:14:10 PM EDT
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T34-85's and some SVT40's among other re-purposed things. Neat.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:19:53 PM EDT
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They all did screwed up shit to each other. However, I think serbs did more. Screbrenica was bad. All are guilty to one degree or another though. ... Likely true, but it wasn't because Serbs were "more evil" - they were simply better armed and better fighters. Muslims would gladly genocide them (heck, they resorted to terrorism after all), but it's hard to commit genocide when you can't take over Serb-populated areas. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:30:20 PM EDT
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Nothing like auto support from right behind your head/body...at 5:25 in
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:31:36 PM EDT
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Also, mandatory links for Serbia threads:
Serbian "Friends" Video - some1 plz embed === Hey Obama, What About Serbia's "Territorial Integrity"? - opposing view on who's right in Yugo civil war. Why can Albanians split their areas from Serbia, but Serbs can't split their areas from Croatia? So let us recount the western position:
It claimed to uphold the sovereignty and territorial integrity of other countries and the inviolability of borders in Europe However, this did not extend to the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia which could be trampled at will Nonetheless, albeit the territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia itself wasn't worth anything, the territorial integrity of its constituent republics seeking independence was holy Albeit the territorial integrity of the Yugoslav constituent republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was holy, the territorial integrity of Serbia was not Albeit Slovenes, Croats and Bosnian Muslims could leave Yugoslavia, Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia Albeit Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia, Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia Albeit Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia, Kosovo Serbs could not secede from Albanian-run Kosovo <snip unrelated point> May the world be spared hunger, plague and western principles. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:36:02 PM EDT
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I love studying this period of conflict; as it is, in my opinion, the precursor here in the states.
Too many differences, religions, culture, etc... Except we'll be worse. In multiple areas of angst. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:37:07 PM EDT
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There is a great documentary in English (British probably) that goes through the politics of the whole war from the death of Tito through Dayton. Must be 5-6 episodes on YouTube. Made right after Dayton when people were still talking about it.
Don't remember the name |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:37:12 PM EDT
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Should be required reading for anyone interested in the subject:
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:41:00 PM EDT
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I am very much curious what Melanija Knavs' opinions are of the Yugoslavian wars of the 1990s
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:44:43 PM EDT
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The strangest thing to me about that time was almost every single service member I met who had been over there said we supported the wrong side.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:49:54 PM EDT
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We've seen to much of war. This is our island now. May it be this way forever.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:51:21 PM EDT
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Is this the war that put Hillary's life in danger?
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:55:22 PM EDT
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I was told by a guy who was there that they would shoot down an alley/street with a tank round....and the baddies would get sucked out into the street from the force.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 7:55:59 PM EDT
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Americans were probably on the wrong side in this.
The serbs, and many Chrsitian groups over there had a legitimate axe to grind against the Muslims. A series of despotic leaders and the soviets kept them in check. The ottomans did a lot of nasty things in Eastern europe. The dissolution of the soviets let them finally get even and solve the moslem problem once and for all. However, Clinton needed a boost pre election and nothings screams patriotism like a good old war for the Childrens. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 8:00:23 PM EDT
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Is this the war that put Hillary's life in danger? Yep! She was skittering across the runway, dodging cannon and tank rounds to save the po' muslims from the Serb death-camps. |
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