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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:30:18 PM EDT
Muslim women can no longer wear the full-body garment in shops, restaurants or public buildings and anyone caught flouting the ban could be struck with a £6,500 fine.
The local government of Ticino approved the referendum after the Swiss Parliament ruled that the ban did not violate the country's federal law. Related articles Two in three voters in the canton backed the move in an overwhelming result for a referendum, in the wake of heightened terrorist alerts across Europe. The law which MPs voted for only applies to veils which covers the body from head to foot worn by the 40,000 Muslim women in Switzerland and also applies to all tourists visiting the area. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/622037/Switzerland-votes-burqa-ban-fine-Muslim-women |
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Thread title is misleading. Only one Canton, Ticino, has done it so far.
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things.
I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. |
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The new muzzie rape capitol of the world is taking some back.
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Quoted: Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. Normally agree but in this case, it's an official push-back against muslims by a government. About time a government body showed some scrotum. |
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Quoted: Normally agree but in this case, it's an official push-back against muslims by a government. About time a government body showed some scrotum. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. Normally agree but in this case, it's an official push-back against muslims by a government. About time a government body showed some scrotum. What's sad is that if they were doing their actual job as most of us on this site see it, the ban would be unnecessary in the first place. |
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Normally agree but in this case, it's an official push-back against muslims by a government. About time a government body showed some scrotum. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. Normally agree but in this case, it's an official push-back against muslims by a government. About time a government body showed some scrotum. I just can't rationalize it when it comes to the principles of liberty. You simply can't legislate safety. |
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Just spoke with a guy from there. They passed a law, no more building mosques. Currently have 4
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. Banning them is just as bad as demanding them. View Quote I'm guessing the rationale is that the women are being forced to be subservient and may not be on board with wearing the thing in the first place. This is probably done with the welfare of the women in mind. The result is that these women won't be allowed to leave the house now. |
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What amazes me is how obtuse so many members of this forum can be, laws like this are really useful for creating a hostile environment that can encourage unwanted visitors to leave. Not a bad thing IMHO.
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I just can't rationalize it when it comes to the principles of liberty. You simply can't legislate safety. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. Normally agree but in this case, it's an official push-back against muslims by a government. About time a government body showed some scrotum. I just can't rationalize it when it comes to the principles of liberty. You simply can't legislate safety. If you want to defend the principles of liberty may have to compromise because you also have to recognize that you have people of an ideology who are out to change your free society into what they want it to be. The tendency towards being liberal on that ends up allowing them to work against you. If their ideology was a passive one of live and let live, it wouldn't be an issue - there wouldn't be a ban, and there wouldn't be a problem with burqas. |
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I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. |
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Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. Then, you are against men forcing women to wear the burka? |
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If you want to defend the principles of liberty may have to compromise because you also have to recognize that you have people of an ideology who are out to change your free society into what they want it to be. The tendency towards being liberal on that ends up allowing them to work against you. If their ideology was a passive one of live and let live, it wouldn't be an issue - there wouldn't be a ban, and there wouldn't be a problem with burqas. View Quote Perhaps. I read your first statement as; in order to have freedom we have to limit freedom. I don't think there has ever been a macro successful application of that kind logic in the long term. |
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Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. They should be universal... but they're not. |
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Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. Same here. I don't like the idea of gov telling people what they can and can't wear. Yep. Not surprised by the overwhelming support here, though. "If it doesn't have to do with me owning guns and cops not having cargo pockets, I don't care!" |
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Then, you are against men forcing women to wear the burka? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. Then, you are against men forcing women to wear the burka? Yes, but not every woman who wears a Burka is forced to wear a Burka. Go after the people enforcing Islamic law on those who are unwilling to follow that law, not those who are willing participants. |
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They should be universal... but they're not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. They should be universal... but they're not. These discussions are often discussed in the abstract, no? |
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Perhaps. I read your first statement as; in order to have freedom we have to limit freedom. I don't think there has ever been a macro successful application of that kind logic in the long term. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you want to defend the principles of liberty may have to compromise because you also have to recognize that you have people of an ideology who are out to change your free society into what they want it to be. The tendency towards being liberal on that ends up allowing them to work against you. If their ideology was a passive one of live and let live, it wouldn't be an issue - there wouldn't be a ban, and there wouldn't be a problem with burqas. Perhaps. I read your first statement as; in order to have freedom we have to limit freedom. I don't think there has ever been a macro successful application of that kind logic in the long term. I think I corrected that and left out a word. Macro application is constant. We always have laws, we always have consequences for laws. Sometimes they're written, sometimes they're understood as part of human behavior. It's always applied to criminal behavior within a society. Most just laws are just extensions of "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins", but still, there is always that limitation. I agree that ideally it's very, very, very minimal. If you want to maintain the freedoms of your society, you may have to limit someone's exercise of a totalitarian belief system that seeks to dominate your belief system - and you may have to restrict that totalitarian belief system from ever normalizing. They're collectivists who believe in the submission of everyone to Allah as the greatest good; you're an individualist who believes that the individual's rights of self-actualization and self-development and self-improvement, whether on a secular or religious quest with their life, is the greatest good. If theirs demands you submit to the changes in your society they wish to make, you have to decide on compromising your beliefs to theirs, or compromising some of your liberty-minded beliefs to contain theirs. It's not ideal, but the world rarely is. |
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Yes, but not every woman who wears a Burka is forced to wear a Burka. Go after the people enforcing Islamic law on those who are unwilling to follow that law, not those who are willing participants. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fan of government legislating these kind of things. I'm all for freedom of association by private businesses and people being trespassed who don't comply. I'm pretty sure Switzerland does not have the US Bill of Rights. Liberty and natural rights are a universal concept, regardless of other nations constitutions. Then, you are against men forcing women to wear the burka? Yes, but not every woman who wears a Burka is forced to wear a Burka. Go after the people enforcing Islamic law on those who are unwilling to follow that law, not those who are willing participants. So, your position is that women voluntarily subject themselves to being 8th class citizens? |
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