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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:30:41 PM EDT
[#1]
"Grenade launchers, high-caliber weapons, armored vehicles this equipment never belonged in our neighborhoods." Bullshit it doesn't! That kind of stuff belongs in my house and garage. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:31:33 PM EDT
[#2]
in before the butt hurt
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:32:04 PM EDT
[#3]
The Feds giveth, and the Feds taketh away....
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:32:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:32:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Ha ha ha ha
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:33:35 PM EDT
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They took the one and only armored SWAT vehicle from my local sheriffs office. So the sheriff said they were going to use local funds to buy one instead. $360,000
Lot of good that did, Obama. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:34:21 PM EDT
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They are taking away bayonets??? What a bunch of bullshit. Stabbing Labradors is cheaper than shooting them
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:36:38 PM EDT
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Bouchard said that his department had lost 16 bayonets that were used primarily for honor guards, funerals and other ceremonial purposes, but also would be kept in trunks for their use as wire cutters, including cutting the seatbelts of car crash victims. They use bayonets to cut people free of their seat belts?  |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:41:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:41:33 PM EDT
[#10]
"outrage"
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:43:46 PM EDT
[#11]
Hyperbole aside, simultaneous pushes to remove police riot control tools and disarm law-abiding citizens... to what end?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:44:25 PM EDT
[#12]
Oh well
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:45:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:47:00 PM EDT
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Hyperbole aside, simultaneous pushes to remove police riot control tools and disarm law-abiding citizens... to what end? Our civilization's |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:47:27 PM EDT
[#15]
.gov giveth, .gov taketh away.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:47:43 PM EDT
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They will use the ferguson excuse to pull equipment away from the Sheriffs.
Then dangle the carrot of nationalization/federalization of police/sheriffs for them to get their stuff back. The reason being that the majority of sheriffs opposed the FBHO plan for more gun control and refused to enforce any new laws. Once federalized, more gun control is a go. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit it doesn't! That kind of stuff belongs in my house and garage. Quote HistoryQuoted: "Grenade launchers, high-caliber weapons, armored vehicles this equipment never belonged in our neighborhoods." Bullshit it doesn't! That kind of stuff belongs in my house and garage. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:49:23 PM EDT
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Dispersing federal war equipment with no strings attached to non-federal agencies is not a solid recipe for consolidation of power. Think of all those rural wrongthinking agencies that might be armed and who don't like Obama.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:49:29 PM EDT
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Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs?
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/LHWady7budyD_5xwFZMLlA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTcyO3E9OTU7dz01OTI-/http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/toobmonkey/eotech_zps86f85aec.jpg Lol. Silly cops. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:53:13 PM EDT
[#20]
The president giveth, the president taketh away...
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:54:22 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that politicians, individuals in media, and other assorted individuals with no applicable skills, knowledge, training or experience in this field of study feels that they should be able to dictate law enforcement policy/sops/usage of tools. Simple fact of the matter is armored vehicles, 'grenade launchers (Which shoots non-lethal bean bag rounds, tear gas, etc.) and other big bad scary military equipment makes the job law enforcement has to do easier and safer for all involved. (Suspects and law enforcement officers alike).
Removing non-lethal tools and armor capability only increases the risk that LEO's get hurt/killed and drastically increases the risk that the suspect gets killed. They aren't gonna just say F it, arresting this violent criminal is too dangerous, lets let him walk. They are gonna be forced to 'wing it' to get the job done. Because make no mistake about it. They are removing 'scary' non-lethal tools... Tools which lower the potential of a situation becoming fatal. I know a lot of GD is extremely anti police and many cry against the militarization of police and police having these tools... But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life... Isn't it worth it to allow those tools to be used? Apparently the general consensus is people would rather LEO's go into a situation under prepared and under equipped... Even if that means its more likely people get hurt/die. Would you remove tools from a surgeon? A mechanic? A pilot? A firefighter? A EMT? Probably not. Because you don't want to lower their chances of success and increase the risk of death/injury... So why the hell do people feel the need to remove tools from law enforcement. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:55:59 PM EDT
[#22]
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The president giveth, the president taketh away... So he can giveth it again, to ...somebody...in the Middle East. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:57:30 PM EDT
[#23]
This kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
The police get disarmed and Obama has weapons to arm the refugees with.  |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:57:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Oh well, back to the converted "roach coach" I guess.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs?
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/LHWady7budyD_5xwFZMLlA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTcyO3E9OTU7dz01OTI-/http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/toobmonkey/eotech_zps86f85aec.jpg What the hell?? Is that a photoshop? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:59:23 PM EDT
[#26]
isis is running low?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:59:39 PM EDT
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DRMO?
Group buy? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:59:54 PM EDT
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They use bayonets to cut people free of their seat belts?
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Bouchard said that his department had lost 16 bayonets that were used primarily for honor guards, funerals and other ceremonial purposes, but also would be kept in trunks for their use as wire cutters, including cutting the seatbelts of car crash victims. They use bayonets to cut people free of their seat belts?
Just as much bullshit talk to keep Milsurp stuff as there is to take it back. Law Enforcement needs to get it into their heads that they NEVER owned ANY of this stuff, it was ALWAYS on loan from the Feds. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:02:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
What the hell?? Is that a photoshop? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs?
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/LHWady7budyD_5xwFZMLlA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTcyO3E9OTU7dz01OTI-/http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/toobmonkey/eotech_zps86f85aec.jpg What the hell?? Is that a photoshop? Nope. It was from an active shooter situation in ILLION, NY a couple years ago. Google it. Backwards EoTech and ILLION NY. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:03:46 PM EDT
[#30]
Oh well
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:03:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Good
 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:06:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Good, make sure he takes them all. If things ever got froggy they would be turned against the "Citizens" anyway. I've seen too many videos of them being used unwisely to ram peoples houses and generally destroy private property with zero regard for the owners or consequences for misuse. If you want to ride heavy then go join the military.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:06:30 PM EDT
[#33]
If you like your tank, you can keep your tank.
Not! |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:07:27 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryTwo perfect examples. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:10:11 PM EDT
[#35]
The sudden anti-LEO left turn was a conscious decision on the Dem's part and in hindsight should have been predictable. They were probably waiting and ready for whatever incident came along that let them kick it off, and it ended up being St. Swishers.
Didn't take all that long after chucking them under the bus to start making noises about federalizing local law enforcement, either - which is probably the end goal of all of this. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:11:53 PM EDT
[#36]
They giveth! They taketh away! What Fucking Dickstein logic!
 It's all over the news and you still take that position you Fucknuts! Obama and company are committing treasonous crimes by admitting CIA trained terrorists into this country.(Not my words but admitted in the news.) I know you don't want to be bothered with the obvious. It's called "Strategy of Tension". It's already happening in the large cities by inciting racial tensions.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:12:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Oh well |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:13:56 PM EDT
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FBHO
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Two perfect examples. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Two perfect examples. What is military surplus in the second photo? Their helmets maybe? I really don't know and am curious...? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:14:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Two perfect examples. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Two perfect examples. A Humvee and a civilian bearcat are perfect examples? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:16:50 PM EDT
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They will use the ferguson excuse to pull equipment away from the Sheriffs. Then dangle the carrot of nationalization/federalization of police/sheriffs for them to get their stuff back. The reason being that the majority of sheriffs opposed the FBHO plan for more gun control and refused to enforce any new laws. Once federalized, more gun control is a go. Figured that much. The rest of the stuff I guess does make sense, in a sense. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:18:47 PM EDT
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If you like your tank, you can keep your tank. Not! Snort |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:19:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it interesting that politicians, individuals in media, and other assorted individuals with no applicable skills, knowledge, training or experience in this field of study feels that they should be able to dictate law enforcement policy/sops/usage of tools. Simple fact of the matter is armored vehicles, 'grenade launchers (Which shoots non-lethal bean bag rounds, tear gas, etc.) and other big bad scary military equipment makes the job law enforcement has to do easier and safer for all involved. (Suspects and law enforcement officers alike). Removing non-lethal tools and armor capability only increases the risk that LEO's get hurt/killed and drastically increases the risk that the suspect gets killed. They aren't gonna just say F it, arresting this violent criminal is too dangerous, lets let him walk. They are gonna be forced to 'wing it' to get the job done. Because make no mistake about it. They are removing 'scary' non-lethal tools... Tools which lower the potential of a situation becoming fatal. I know a lot of GD is extremely anti police and many cry against the militarization of police and police having these tools... But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life... Isn't it worth it to allow those tools to be used? Apparently the general consensus is people would rather LEO's go into a situation under prepared and under equipped... Even if that means its more likely people get hurt/die. Would you remove tools from a surgeon? A mechanic? A pilot? A firefighter? A EMT? Probably not. Because you don't want to lower their chances of success and increase the risk of death/injury... So why the hell do people feel the need to remove tools from law enforcement. Mechanic: yes, if they were out of line for the diagnosis I needed. Pilot: yes, if he asked me to pay for tool not to be used on our flight. Should I go on? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life... Isn't it worth it to allow those tools to be used? Apparently the general consensus is people would rather LEO's go into a situation under prepared and under equipped... Even if that means its more likely people get hurt/die. Would you remove tools from a surgeon? A mechanic? A pilot? A firefighter? A EMT? Probably not. Because you don't want to lower their chances of success and increase the risk of death/injury... So why the hell do people feel the need to remove tools from law enforcement. ffs, I'm so sick of "if it saves one life" from every whining liberal about guns and now I have to listen to that drivel on arfcom? There are many instances where we as a society have decided saving one life isn't worth it, sometimes saving thousands of lives isn't worth it. Here are some examples: abortion speed limits guns allowing private motor vehicles at all alcohol In those cases we've determined that those things are more important than the deaths they lead to. I don't much care if the cops have military equipment personally, but there are a shit ton of people who don't want the cops to have it. If that leads to officer deaths or the deaths of people the police interact with, so be it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:20:01 PM EDT
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But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life Well shit. Why don't we just ban guns? If it can save just one life... Specious bullshit argument. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:24:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, make sure he takes them all. If things ever got froggy they would be turned against the "Citizens" anyway. I've seen too many videos of them being used unwisely to ram peoples houses and generally destroy private property with zero regard for the owners or consequences for misuse. If you want to ride heavy then go join the military. This. I cant believe its taken that kenyan motherfucker 7 years to do something I agree with.  |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:24:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
ffs, I'm so sick of "if it saves one life" from every whining liberal about guns and now I have to listen to that drivel on arfcom? There are many instances where we as a society have decided saving one life isn't worth it, sometimes saving thousands of lives isn't worth it. Here are some examples: abortion speed limits guns allowing private motor vehicles at all alcohol In those cases we've determined that those things are more important than the deaths they lead to. I don't much care if the cops have military equipment personally, but there are a shit ton of people who don't want the cops to have it. If that leads to officer deaths or the deaths of people the police interact with, so be it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life... Isn't it worth it to allow those tools to be used? Apparently the general consensus is people would rather LEO's go into a situation under prepared and under equipped... Even if that means its more likely people get hurt/die. Would you remove tools from a surgeon? A mechanic? A pilot? A firefighter? A EMT? Probably not. Because you don't want to lower their chances of success and increase the risk of death/injury... So why the hell do people feel the need to remove tools from law enforcement. ffs, I'm so sick of "if it saves one life" from every whining liberal about guns and now I have to listen to that drivel on arfcom? There are many instances where we as a society have decided saving one life isn't worth it, sometimes saving thousands of lives isn't worth it. Here are some examples: abortion speed limits guns allowing private motor vehicles at all alcohol In those cases we've determined that those things are more important than the deaths they lead to. I don't much care if the cops have military equipment personally, but there are a shit ton of people who don't want the cops to have it. If that leads to officer deaths or the deaths of people the police interact with, so be it.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:32:52 PM EDT
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Our local SWAT team rolls in a repurposed bread truck.
I think they might have an armored vechile at the local Fedral prison though. Wonder if they will have to return it? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:42:52 PM EDT
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I find myself in a weird position and emotionally torn. For the first time I agree with something zero has done.
Police don't need military equipment to do their jobs. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:47:43 PM EDT
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Sounds like their getting a taste of how civil forfeiture feels. Hopefully they'll start doing more policing instead of just law enforcing as a result
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