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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:29:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:33:44 AM EDT
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Pretty much sums up the state of the union right there
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:51:25 AM EDT
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Yay, another Christian persecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:57:49 AM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:02:36 AM EDT
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Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:02:51 AM EDT
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Pretty much sums up the state of the union right there Yup. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:05:15 AM EDT
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And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:06:59 AM EDT
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Oh well.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:21:52 AM EDT
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Oklahoma ... say it ain't so.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:33:33 AM EDT
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I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. Umm, no. A statue doesn't establish a state religion. No one was forced to worship anything. And secondly, the executive is tasked with enforcing law, nor the judiciary. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:34:55 AM EDT
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God's law is out, and the queer law is in.
Yay. 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:35:25 AM EDT
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Good. 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:36:27 AM EDT
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I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. The Constitution (I assume you're speaking about the U.S. Constitution here) does not prohibit this display. That is the law. The law supersedes the will of any judge. To say otherwise is to say that the judges are in fact supreme, which is to say that they have the power to amend the laws including our highest laws. That's a dangerous position to take. I'd be interested in knowing which part of the U.S. Constitution you believe this display violated. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:38:00 AM EDT
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Good. Bosniacs, the accepted term for a person from Bosnia, are generally muslim. Game changer. The sooner we can free ourselves from the ignorance and hatred of dark religion we can move forward to a glorious progressive future led by the warm, embracing light of science and humanism! Forward, comrades! You have nothing to lose but your false moralities! |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:40:17 AM EDT
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The Constitution (I assume you're speaking about the U.S. Constitution here) does not prohibit this display. That is the law. The law supersedes the will of any judge. To say otherwise is to say that the judges are in fact supreme, which is to say that they have the power to amend the laws including our highest laws. That's a dangerous position to take. I'd be interested in knowing which part of the U.S. Constitution you believe this display violated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. The Constitution (I assume you're speaking about the U.S. Constitution here) does not prohibit this display. That is the law. The law supersedes the will of any judge. To say otherwise is to say that the judges are in fact supreme, which is to say that they have the power to amend the laws including our highest laws. That's a dangerous position to take. I'd be interested in knowing which part of the U.S. Constitution you believe this display violated. I was discussing the state of Oklahoma's Constitution, since it's the one being discussed in this article. You go ahead and call it a "stretch" if you want. The guy in the blaxck robe says you're wrong and his is the only opinion that matters here. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:40:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Constitution (I assume you're speaking about the U.S. Constitution here) does not prohibit this display. That is the law. The law supersedes the will of any judge. To say otherwise is to say that the judges are in fact supreme, which is to say that they have the power to amend the laws including our highest laws. That's a dangerous position to take. I'd be interested in knowing which part of the U.S. Constitution you believe this display violated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. The Constitution (I assume you're speaking about the U.S. Constitution here) does not prohibit this display. That is the law. The law supersedes the will of any judge. To say otherwise is to say that the judges are in fact supreme, which is to say that they have the power to amend the laws including our highest laws. That's a dangerous position to take. I'd be interested in knowing which part of the U.S. Constitution you believe this display violated. I'd like to know that too. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:49:44 AM EDT
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Since the subject of the law has come up.
The law is mostly regulatory in this day and age. Criminal and Common Law are not that much of it now days. The issue IMO is with the regulatory statues being written in such a way to sound as if it is saying one thing, while saying in many cases the opposite, due to redefining words within the statue, as well as Judges who take it upon them self to make a ruling that "needs" to be made, rather than is correct by the law. Which IMO is what is happening here. I haven't seen any "law" that prohibits the display of religious beliefs or effects. And that line that is often quoted "Separation of Church and State" Was in a speech given long ago, and though historic and powerful and in most cases needed does not make it a law. More over the display of such a thing as the ten commandments serves (to some at least) as a moral reminder to do what is right. I fail to see how anyone can find fault with THAT, unless they have a unethical agenda and or lifestyle. The ultimate issue being corruption in the government. Things such as this imo are simply symptoms rearing their heads, caused by the underlying festering of immorality and perversion that has run fairly unchecked the last 80 years or so. (IMO) Unless there is mass awaking to the way the government is twisting and perverting the "law" (statutes really), this isn't going to end any time soon, esp. with the ignorant hate loving so self proclaimed Christian politicians we have out there currently. People seem to have become blind to what really being a follower of Christ is. #1 rule, love thy neighbor, not persecute him and point out all his faults, omitting your own. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:49:50 AM EDT
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I was discussing the state of Oklahoma's Constitution, since it's the one being discussed in this article. You go ahead and call it a "stretch" if you want. The guy in the blaxck robe says you're wrong and his is the only opinion that matters here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yay, another Christian prosecution circle jerk when someone makes them obey the law. And what law was that? The relevant portion of the Oklahoma Constitution was posted and it is a real stretch to say that this violated that part of the law. It sure as heck does not violate the U.S. Constitution. Of course, if you believe that judges have the power to legislate and amend constitutions... I believe the Constitution itself is law and our judiciary branch are charged with enforcing it. Which is what happened here. The Constitution (I assume you're speaking about the U.S. Constitution here) does not prohibit this display. That is the law. The law supersedes the will of any judge. To say otherwise is to say that the judges are in fact supreme, which is to say that they have the power to amend the laws including our highest laws. That's a dangerous position to take. I'd be interested in knowing which part of the U.S. Constitution you believe this display violated. I was discussing the state of Oklahoma's Constitution, since it's the one being discussed in this article. You go ahead and call it a "stretch" if you want. The guy in the blaxck robe says you're wrong and his is the only opinion that matters here. So you do subscribe to the idea of judicial supremacy, then? I've read that portion of the law. Since you wish to assert that this monument violates that law, you should have no problem citing it and explaining why it does so. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:55:49 AM EDT
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God's law is out, and the queer law is in. Yay. I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:57:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much sums up the state of the union right there People are obsessed with trivialities, like the 10 commandments, or trying to remove them (which I've said for years is a waste of time and money). Meanwhile we have terrorists abroad trying to start WW3, Russia being belligerent, and admitted socialist as a democratic candidate (rather than a socialist who pretends they aren't a socialist), democrats who want to increase entitlements, import poor people from south America (to bolster their socialist voting rolls), quash free speech to stop "racism" and "triggers". |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:57:34 AM EDT
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And that is the problem....
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:58:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: God's law is out, and the queer law is in. Yay. I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. Concur. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:59:14 AM EDT
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" What was once profane is now Sacred, What was once Sacred is now profane".
Satan prez' now. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:59:17 AM EDT
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Yep. People are obsessed with trivialities, like the 10 commandments, or trying to remove them (which I've said for years is a waste of time and money). Meanwhile we have terrorists abroad trying to start WW3, Russia being belligerent, and admitted socialist as a democratic candidate (rather than a socialist who pretends they aren't a socialist), democrats who want to increase entitlements, import poor people from south America (to bolster their socialist voting rolls), quash free speech to stop "racism" and "triggers". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty much sums up the state of the union right there People are obsessed with trivialities, like the 10 commandments, or trying to remove them (which I've said for years is a waste of time and money). Meanwhile we have terrorists abroad trying to start WW3, Russia being belligerent, and admitted socialist as a democratic candidate (rather than a socialist who pretends they aren't a socialist), democrats who want to increase entitlements, import poor people from south America (to bolster their socialist voting rolls), quash free speech to stop "racism" and "triggers". The culture war is far from a triviality. Some of the battles may be small, but when it comes to the bigger picture in this regard, much is at stake, and if you lose enough smaller battles that does have an impact. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:01:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The culture war is far from a triviality. Some of the battles may be small, but when it comes to the bigger picture in this regard, much is at stake, and if you lose enough smaller battles that does have an impact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty much sums up the state of the union right there People are obsessed with trivialities, like the 10 commandments, or trying to remove them (which I've said for years is a waste of time and money). Meanwhile we have terrorists abroad trying to start WW3, Russia being belligerent, and admitted socialist as a democratic candidate (rather than a socialist who pretends they aren't a socialist), democrats who want to increase entitlements, import poor people from south America (to bolster their socialist voting rolls), quash free speech to stop "racism" and "triggers". The culture war is far from a triviality. Some of the battles may be small, but when it comes to the bigger picture in this regard, much is at stake, and if you lose enough smaller battles that does have an impact. If I were king, I'd leave up all statues of confederate generals and 10 commandments, with the understanding that no more would be built. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:02:06 AM EDT
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I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God's law is out, and the queer law is in. Yay. I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. What does a monument of the Ten Commandments have to do with your concern about social mores? |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:03:50 AM EDT
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I'm a Christian and the monument should never have been placed on government property. It is being moved to private property (a conservative think tank), as it should be.
The state recently denied the placement of a Satanic memorial, because they didn't want to support Satanism. Doing that made it kind of hard to argue they weren't supporting "any sect, church, denomination or system of religion" with this monument. Showing preferential treatment to one religion over another is verboten and this result was the entire reason the Church of Satan tried to get a monument put up. Had they allowed the monuments to be put up, you could at least maintain plausibility to the claim it wasn't violating the law. By showing a clear preference for Christianity over a minority religion, they made it impossible to keep the display. The Supreme Court saved the state millions in legal fees to fight the lawsuit the Church of Satan was going to bring. It will be funny reading all of the butthurt in this thread though. Carry on. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:08:07 AM EDT
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these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. The republic is no more. The Constitution has been shredded. Only the forms remain. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:12:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: God's law is out, and the queer law is in. Yay. I get the jest but there's an important aspect to what's occuring. The 10 Commandments are what, 4,000+ years old? They've served man well. What we see today as "foundational" social mores and laws are really just de jour laws as if they were no real rights and worngs, only feels of the day. That was my argument to a lesbian friend after the SCOTUS marriage ruling....these are dangerous times for a constitutional republic. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:13:05 AM EDT
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Would people be this worked up if it had been an Islamic statue? How about Scientologist?
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:14:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:16:34 AM EDT
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Why does everyone get so worked up about the 10 Commandments - yet most people don't follow them?
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:20:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a Christian and the monument should never have been placed on government property. It is being moved to private property (a conservative think tank), as it should be. The state recently denied the placement of a Satanic memorial, because they didn't want to support Satanism. Doing that made it kind of hard to argue they weren't supporting "any sect, church, denomination or system of religion" with this monument. Showing preferential treatment to one religion over another is verboten and this result was the entire reason the Church of Satan tried to get a monument put up. Had they allowed the monuments to be put up, you could at least maintain plausibility to the claim it wasn't violating the law. By showing a clear preference for Christianity over a minority religion, they made it impossible to keep the display. The Supreme Court saved the state millions in legal fees to fight the lawsuit the Church of Satan was going to bring. It will be funny reading all of the butthurt in this thread though. Carry on. It is the fundamental basis of our law and that is the relevance, though some dismiss that and argue they are unrelated. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:23:04 AM EDT
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Religion sucks, it gets perverted. Christ even despised religion if I recall correctly.
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I'm a Christian and the monument should never have been placed on government property. It is being moved to private property (a conservative think tank), as it should be. The state recently denied the placement of a Satanic memorial, because they didn't want to support Satanism. Doing that made it kind of hard to argue they weren't supporting "any sect, church, denomination or system of religion" with this monument. Showing preferential treatment to one religion over another is verboten and this result was the entire reason the Church of Satan tried to get a monument put up. Had they allowed the monuments to be put up, you could at least maintain plausibility to the claim it wasn't violating the law. By showing a clear preference for Christianity over a minority religion, they made it impossible to keep the display. The Supreme Court saved the state millions in legal fees to fight the lawsuit the Church of Satan was going to bring. It will be funny reading all of the butthurt in this thread though. Carry on. It is the fundamental basis of our law and that is the relevance, though some dismiss that and argue they are unrelated. Oh they are very much related, though I think religion has little to do with it. Religion gives us things like the Crusades. God/Christ gives us teachings that show us how to behave. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:37:53 AM EDT
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Would people be this worked up if it had been an Islamic statue? How about Scientologist? That would be for the people of the state, through their elected representatives to decide. dearborne blasts out the call to prayer everyday. zero fucks given. I don't live in that shit hole. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:46:52 AM EDT
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... God/Christ gives us teachings that show us how to behave. When was the last time you stoned someone who worked on the Sabbath? |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:58:55 AM EDT
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... God/Christ gives us teachings that show us how to behave. When was the last time you stoned someone who worked on the Sabbath? Ever hear of the New Testament? Christians do not live by the Old Testament, Jew's and some others do. Christians do not. Which opens a whole other off topic can of worms, which if you want to discuss should be done so in another thread. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:02:07 AM EDT
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Ever hear of the New Testament? Christians do not live by the Old Testament, Jew's and some others do. Christians do not. Which opens a whole other off topic can of worms, which if you want to discuss should be done so in another thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... God/Christ gives us teachings that show us how to behave. When was the last time you stoned someone who worked on the Sabbath? Ever hear of the New Testament? Christians do not live by the Old Testament, Jew's and some others do. Christians do not. Which opens a whole other off topic can of worms, which if you want to discuss should be done so in another thread. We're talking about the Ten Commandments here. You know, from the Old Testament. Those rules they took down in Oklahoma about "no other gods" and "working on the Sabbath" and "graven images" and such. If they're no longer valid, what's the fuss about? |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:03:53 AM EDT
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... God/Christ gives us teachings that show us how to behave. When was the last time you stoned someone who worked on the Sabbath? God sacrificed himself to himself to "pay" for your "sins". He's cool now. 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:07:19 AM EDT
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Ever hear of the New Testament? Christians do not live by the Old Testament, Jew's and some others do. Christians do not. Which opens a whole other off topic can of worms, which if you want to discuss should be done so in another thread. Pop quiz! What part of the Bible are the Ten Commandments in? |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:10:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:13:07 AM EDT
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Everyone would be all piss and vinegar (and rightly so) if someone wanted to put in a Muslim statue.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:25:49 AM EDT
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Yep. People are obsessed with trivialities, like the 10 commandments, or trying to remove them (which I've said for years is a waste of time and money). Meanwhile we have terrorists abroad trying to start WW3, Russia being belligerent, and admitted socialist as a democratic candidate (rather than a socialist who pretends they aren't a socialist), democrats who want to increase entitlements, import poor people from south America (to bolster their socialist voting rolls), quash free speech to stop "racism" and "triggers". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty much sums up the state of the union right there People are obsessed with trivialities, like the 10 commandments, or trying to remove them (which I've said for years is a waste of time and money). Meanwhile we have terrorists abroad trying to start WW3, Russia being belligerent, and admitted socialist as a democratic candidate (rather than a socialist who pretends they aren't a socialist), democrats who want to increase entitlements, import poor people from south America (to bolster their socialist voting rolls), quash free speech to stop "racism" and "triggers". I'd rather they debate this kind of pedantic crap endlessly than go after our guns. I'm not about to obey religious law no matter what happens, so religious iconography means about as much as my barren field of fucks. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:29:04 AM EDT
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Wonder who the idiot was that authorized that. Food for thought when these threads pop up: Who said stupid people and too stupid to know they're stupid? It's pretty easy to spot them in the thread. It's even easier than shooting fish in a barrel. Ha
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:30:37 AM EDT
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Everyone would be all piss and vinegar (and rightly so) if someone wanted to put in a Muslim statue. That's the thing though. By constructing a Christian monument on public grounds, Christians are the ones inviting Muslims to erect their own statue. Due to equal protection, government either has to welcome all-comers (well, at least recognized religions/beliefs) to build monuments on public property. The other way to go about it is to deny everyone the ability to erect monuments of religious connotation on public property. But it IS illegal to only allow Christian monuments but bar everyone else. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:32:27 AM EDT
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ZFG
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:39:19 AM EDT
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Government: "God, get out of our lives. Except when we need you."
Remarks on the Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
April 19, 1995 Finally, let me say that I ask all Americans tonight to pray—to pray for the people who have lost their lives, to pray for the families and the friends of the dead and the wounded, to pray for the people of Oklahoma City. May God's grace be with them. Meanwhile, we will be about our work. Thank you. Excerpt from Presidential Proclomation 6789 - National Day of Mourning in Memory of Those Who Died in Oklahoma City
April 21, 1995 We take comfort in knowing that all who perished are in God's hands. Now, Therefore, I, William J. Clinton, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby appoint Sunday, April 23, 1995, as a National Day of Mourning throughout the United States. I ask the American people assembled on that day in their homes and places of worship to pay homage to the memory of those lost in the Oklahoma City tragedy and to pray for them and their community. I invite all those around the world who share our grief to join us in this solemn observance. Excerpt from Oklahoma Bombing Memorial Service.
To all my fellow Americans beyond this hall, I say, one thing we owe those who have sacrificed is the duty to purge ourselves of the dark forces which gave rise to this evil. They are forces that threaten our common peace, our freedom, our way of life. Let us teach our children that the God of comfort is also the God of righteousness: Those who trouble their own house will inherit the wind.1 Justice will prevail. Let us let our own children know that we will stand against the forces of fear. When there is talk of hatred, let us stand up and talk against it. When there is talk of violence, let us stand up and talk against it. In the face of death, let us honor life. As St. Paul admonished us, Let us "not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."2 Yesterday, Hillary and I had the privilege of speaking with some children of other federal employees -- children like those who were lost here. And one little girl said something we will never forget. She said, "We should all plant a tree in memory of the children." So this morning before we got on the plane to come here, at the White House, we planted that tree in honor of the children of Oklahoma. It was a dogwood with its wonderful spring flower and its deep, enduring roots. It embodies the lesson of the Psalms -- that the life of a good person is like a tree whose leaf does not wither.³ My fellow Americans, a tree takes a long time to grow, and wounds take a long time to heal. But we must begin. Those who are lost now belong to God. Some day we will be with them. But until that happens, their legacy must be our lives. Thank you all, and God bless you. 1 Proverbs 11:29 -- "He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind, and the fool will be servant to the wise of heart." (NKJV) 2 Romans 12:21 -- "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (NIV) 3 Psalms 1:3 -- "Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers." (NIV) |
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Everyone would be all piss and vinegar (and rightly so) if someone wanted to put in a Muslim statue. Muslims didn't found this country, nor make it great. |
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Muslims didn't found this country, nor make it great. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone would be all piss and vinegar (and rightly so) if someone wanted to put in a Muslim statue. Muslims didn't found this country, nor make it great. 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:47:00 AM EDT
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God's law is out, and the queer law is in. Yay. Suck that cock citizen! |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:49:51 AM EDT
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ZFG my god, man. there was a piece of concrete with god on it in THE PUBLIC SPHERE had we allowed it to stay there, we would be stoning adultereers in the street within the week. liberty was saved from the Christian Taliban and YOU DON'T CARE. SMH. you really are the jack booted thug, aren't you? why do you hate freedom? |
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