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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:31:34 AM EDT
A century ago, the US Army's Corps of Engineers built structures that still don't leak.
Jimmy Carter gave the canal to Panama back in the 1970s. And the games began!! Panama outsourced operations to Chinese companies. And now there's a consortium of companies involved in an expansion. And there's a mess, of course. http://gcaptain.com/a-concrete-sample-was-pulled-from-the-new-panama-canal-locks-and-it-does-not-look-good/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_campaign=0&utm_content=261222#.VeBeFyueTm5  |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:40:56 AM EDT
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No way I'd be standing next to that thing after seeing the leaks, and core sample.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:47:22 AM EDT
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A century ago, the US Army's Corps of Engineers built structures that still don't leak. Jimmy Carter gave the canal to Panama back in the 1970s. And the games began!! Panama outsourced operations to Chinese companies. And now there's a consortium of companies involved in an expansion. And there's a mess, of course. http://gcaptain.com/a-concrete-sample-was-pulled-from-the-new-panama-canal-locks-and-it-does-not-look-good/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_campaign=0&utm_content=261222#.VeBeFyueTm5 http://i1.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expansion-crack-11.jpg?resize=800%2C527 I'm not an expert on concrete construction or hydrodynamics but that doesn't look right to me. 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:47:29 AM EDT
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A century ago, the US Army's Corps of Engineers built structures that still don't leak. Jimmy Carter gave the canal to Panama back in the 1970s. And the games began!! Panama outsourced operations to Chinese companies. And now there's a consortium of companies involved in an expansion. And there's a mess, of course. http://gcaptain.com/a-concrete-sample-was-pulled-from-the-new-panama-canal-locks-and-it-does-not-look-good/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_campaign=0&utm_content=261222#.VeBeFyueTm5 http://i1.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expansion-crack-11.jpg?resize=800%2C527 well. looks like incorrect specs or poor quality control or both. probably both. There is a reason all the world greatest engineering has been done by first world countries. And china isn't first world. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:48:09 AM EDT
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No way I'd be standing next to that thing after seeing the leaks, and core sample. My thoughts exactly Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:49:20 AM EDT
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How would you like to be living down stream from a large dam in China?
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:49:32 AM EDT
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Well that wall needs torn out and redone, little bit of mortar won't be fixing that.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:50:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would you like to be living down stream from a large dam in China?  |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:50:35 AM EDT
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad:
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:50:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:52:51 AM EDT
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad:
http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Needs moar gravel. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:53:22 AM EDT
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad:
http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Oh wow. Has anyone ever seen concrete that bad in the western world? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:53:54 AM EDT
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 Make it right. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:56:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that wall needs torn out and redone, little bit of mortar won't be fixing that. A couple of barrels of Gorilla Glue, some paint and it will be just fine. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:58:02 AM EDT
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I guess the locals didn't understand the real purpose of concrete vibrators.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:59:20 AM EDT
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad:
http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Apparently, the chinese stock market was built by the same contractor. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:59:34 AM EDT
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No way I'd be standing next to that thing after seeing the leaks, and core sample. That was my first thought. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:59:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh wow. Has anyone ever seen concrete that bad in the western world? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And they wonder why it leaks so bad: http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Oh wow. Has anyone ever seen concrete that bad in the western world? |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:01:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:01:33 AM EDT
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Flex seal will fix that right up.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:02:32 AM EDT
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Flex seal will fix that right up. but ya gotta call now! |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:03:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:03:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but ya gotta call now! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Flex seal will fix that right up. but ya gotta call now! Yeah, got to take advantage of the extra free can for this project. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:03:47 AM EDT
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A couple of barrels of Gorilla Glue, some paint and it will be just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well that wall needs torn out and redone, little bit of mortar won't be fixing that. A couple of barrels of Gorilla Glue, some paint and it will be just fine. And chewing gum.... don't forget the chewing gum. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:04:41 AM EDT
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Oh...........You wanted the water to stay on only one side?
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:05:41 AM EDT
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In the video in the link, at the end, you can see dirt/sand/concrete washing out of the lock. It's not just "a crack".
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:05:43 AM EDT
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Wow.
I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:06:17 AM EDT
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Me Chinese. Me play joke.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:06:40 AM EDT
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Flex seal will fix that right up. that might be beyond even flex seal (on a side note I have had really good results from flex seal) |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:06:43 AM EDT
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How would you like to be living down stream from a large dam in China? The people on the yellow river didn't fare too well. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:07:53 AM EDT
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. no. This is done by those who never knew. Don't know it and try it anyway. tear it all out and start again. I don't know... since its obvious they've no idea as to what they are doing maybe they can look at the other one(ya know that was built 100 years ago or so) just copy that. I'm sure the plans and specs are around here somewhere. That is if you can read them and understand them and are willing to do the hard an difficult things requires to get something on that scale to work. Nah. Everyone knows Chinese engineering is the best after look at the eh....Uh.... Hmmmm....Well they flew to the...hmmm. and their planes and cars... well... Ok. since they are really good at coping stuff... go back to my first point and copy the old one, but when you pour the concrete you'll have to ... and then wait..... and you have to test it it....and its best to make it stronger than it really needs to be for safety....Oh thats right you guys don't do safety... ....ah forget it.... too much work to teach the ignorant who think they already know it, when they've done nothing but ride someone elses work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:08:19 AM EDT
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Nothing a little duct tape can't fix.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:08:34 AM EDT
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That's some pretty piss poor QC.
Vibrators aren't just for lonely women ya know. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:11:42 AM EDT
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I'm not an expert on concrete construction or hydrodynamics but that doesn't look right to me. Obviously you are not an expert. It is well within the established Chinese design parameters. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:12:33 AM EDT
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Not Bush this time.........Hillary's fault.
Rental shop was plumb out of concrete vibrators due to a convention of sensible shoe wearing SJWs in town that week |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:13:09 AM EDT
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That's some pretty piss poor QC. Vibrators aren't just for lonely women ya know. Well put. I'm no structural engineer of professional concrete worker, but even I can tell they missed a step. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:14:06 AM EDT
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That's some pretty piss poor QC. Vibrators aren't just for lonely women ya know. 
Check out "chinese scaffolding" on Google. No way those people should build anything above the second floor. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:18:33 AM EDT
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I thought it was a European country that was handling the Panamax?
In any case, incorrect concrete consolidation will do that. ETA - Yes, sort of GUPC is a consortium made up of Sacyr Vallehermoso of Spain as its head, with Impregilo of Italy, Jan De Nul of Belgium and Constructura Urbana, SA (CUSA) of Panama. Was thinking of Jan De Nul who I think made the sliding gates. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:19:17 AM EDT
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Great job throwing away all of the hard work the US put into that project so many years ago. Folks are just going to remember when it breaches.
That canal should have remained in US hands. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:19:49 AM EDT
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That's some pretty piss poor QC. Vibrators aren't just for lonely women ya know. Three phrases every construction worker knows the intended meaning: Cunthair Donkey Dick Horse Cock In this case it looks like they needed to use a little more horse cock. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:25:01 AM EDT
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The contract was awarded to international consortium Grupo Unidos por el Canal, S.A. (GUPC).
COMPANY Grupo Unidos por el Canal Consortium Members: Sacyr Vallehermoso S.A. – Leader (Spain) Impregilo S.p.A. – (Italy) Jan de Nul n.v. – (Belgium) Constructora Urbana, S.A. – (Panama) Designers (subcontractors): Montgomery Watson Harza (MWH) – Leader (United States) IV-Groep – (Holland) Tetra Tech – (United States) Gate Manufacturers (subcontractor): Cimolai – (Italy) ETA link. http://micanaldepanama.com/expansion/faq/ |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:25:46 AM EDT
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Proof that the cheapest bid usually sucks an asshole.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:26:32 AM EDT
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. That would imply that they knew how to do them correctly in the first place and that is not the case. Chinese are great at copying things however when you look close at quality it is just not there. 
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jun2009/ChinaBuildingStandards.htm 
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:27:42 AM EDT
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Oh wow. Has anyone ever seen concrete that bad in the western world? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And they wonder why it leaks so bad:
http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Panama-Canal-expasion-crack-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=750%2C423 Oh wow. Has anyone ever seen concrete that bad in the western world? Yes. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:28:18 AM EDT
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Can't get anything built right since they outlawed flogging.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:29:01 AM EDT
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Off to invent canal tape
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:29:07 AM EDT
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I guess the locals didn't understand the real purpose of concrete vibrators. And.... Shity China Contractors cutting every corner they think they can get away with. Lying and cheating to gain an upper hand is part of the culture. Anyone working with them in any capacity had better have their shit together and be prepared for full time over site of their work. Especially the procurement of goods used to complete the work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:29:33 AM EDT
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Time to call in the experts...
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:29:49 AM EDT
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How would you like to be living down stream from a large dam in China? Like the Three Gorges?
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:31:08 AM EDT
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What do you expect, China uses damns for population control (bad joke).
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:31:51 AM EDT
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Wow. I think people are gradually forgetting how to do things. China and Panama can't forget what they've never learned. |
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