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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:13:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:19:11 PM EDT
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FBHO
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:20:58 PM EDT
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Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:21:39 PM EDT
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So when the wage paid to a group of people goes down, fewer people go into that profession? My God, it's almost like there is some kind of economic law at work here.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:21:58 PM EDT
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Didn't see that one coming.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:23:58 PM EDT
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Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. What they're doing right now is going to concierge work. Hospitals are hiring poorly trained "doctors" from foreign programs who barely speak English but can be taught to check all the right boxes for the bureaucrats that run the places. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:25:55 PM EDT
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No shit. Local MD's just about spit when the ACA comes up in conversation. The wife was sitting in an exam room a couple weeks ago and overheard her GP flipping her lid in the hallway....two guesses as to what it was about.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:27:39 PM EDT
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No shit. Local MD's just about spit when the ACA comes up in conversation. The wife was sitting in an exam room a couple weeks ago and overheard her GP flipping her lid in the hallway....two guess as to what it was about.
It's about turned my SIL's socialist Canadian father into a staunch Republican. 
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:27:40 PM EDT
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So when the wage paid to a group of people goes down, fewer people go into that profession? My God, it's almost like there is some kind of economic law at work here. Your facts and logic are not welcome in this thread. We need all available bandwidth for panic and insults.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:28:48 PM EDT
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FBHO
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:29:27 PM EDT
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I have been reading these stories and I hate Obamacare as much as anyone could. However, I was particularly struck by an event last week... when my own doctor gave up her practice. She was a really good doctor. Her nurse has been in the profession for decades and when I asked "why did she quit", the nurse said "Well... she saw the writing on the wall. I won't get into the politics of it but you get the idea."
Yeah. I sure fucking do. 
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:31:20 PM EDT
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What they're doing right now is going to concierge work. Hospitals are hiring poorly trained "doctors" from foreign programs who barely speak English but can be taught to check all the right boxes for the bureaucrats that run the places. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. What they're doing right now is going to concierge work. Hospitals are hiring poorly trained "doctors" from foreign programs who barely speak English but can be taught to check all the right boxes for the bureaucrats that run the places. If they can pass the USMLE and get a license... Only 25% of FMGs can. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:32:27 PM EDT
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There seems to be a correlation in the military health system as well. A few years before 0bamacare was introduced, the interns I saw rotating through their internship were pretty sharp and I had alot of respect for them. Now, A few years after it has taken effect, the last couple of classes of interns seem to be a little more retarded and clueless. Maybe they can't afford to fail dumber ones and everyone gets a passing grade.
Even though my grandfather had been healthy up into his late 80's and my father is looking at his 70's soon, but I have had a couple of issues that required surgical intervention. So, odds are I will probably be boned later if those issues came up again. Yay! |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:32:37 PM EDT
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Went to a specialist today and had to run through a ten minute "who's on first" conversation about my insurance.
In the end, all they wanted to know was whether I was on a "E" plan, whatever the fuck that is. They told me it's the Obamacare one. I got the distinct feeling they weren't going to book me. Told them my income, that I have employer based healthcare, and a wad of cash if needed. I was in the office within 90 minutes.  Doctor told me I'm a dumbass and gave me a three week course of what appears to horse tranquilizers. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:33:05 PM EDT
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My sister in laws husband is(was) an orthopedic surgeon.
NOT ANY MORE. Retired 6 months ago. Said medicine changed so much in the last 4 years he sold his practice and got out. He knew when he dreaded coming to the office everyday that was his cue. Was making about 400k/year in his early 50's but worked his ASS off. He never even made a dollar until early 30's with school and internships. Ain't no one got time for that shit now. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:33:16 PM EDT
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Maybe I'll starting seeing some docs pull the trigger on the RFQs I've done for container loads of medical equipment to Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:33:18 PM EDT
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Lean forward comrades!
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:34:26 PM EDT
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I'm sorry guys. I must have used too much white privilege and forced all these doctors out of the field.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:37:27 PM EDT
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Her recommendation to avoid having to deal with these problems and "save yourself" from the coming horrors of Obamacare is to get yourself healthy enough so that you won't need a doctor in the first place. That sounds drastically different than the promises coming from the White House.
This is my current goal cuz no way in fuck can I afford coverage.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:40:00 PM EDT
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Her recommendation to avoid having to deal with these problems and "save yourself" from the coming horrors of Obamacare is to get yourself healthy enough so that you won't need a doctor in the first place. That sounds drastically different than the promises coming from the White House. This is my current goal cuz no way in fuck can I afford coverage. But, you'll still be taxed, through an absurd and unnecessarily expensive insurance plan, or fined outright if you don't have that. They'll get their blood from the turnip, somehow. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:40:13 PM EDT
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Her recommendation to avoid having to deal with these problems and "save yourself" from the coming horrors of Obamacare is to get yourself healthy enough so that you won't need a doctor in the first place. Since I retired last year I've been trying to do this. I've lost 22 pounds and shooting for 5 more. Drastically reduced my sodium intake and increased magnesium and potassium. We've never eaten particularly unhealthy, very little fried food. My wife said she was "tired of shopping and cooking" after 35 years so I took over. Most of the stuff that goes into my buggy comes from the perimeter of the store. I've gone from pre-hypertension to 105/68 last reading. Cholesterol and blood glucose are within acceptable limits. I've always walked a good bit but I need to get more regular with weight training, it's a drag. Who knows, tomorrow I may keel over but I think we need to at least make an honest effort, now more than ever. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:41:37 PM EDT
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Pretty sweet that this is found in the Kaiser Health News.
Old man Kaiser pushed deregulation through the Nixon administration in order to make more money. Reading that article is funny. That which is old, is new. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:45:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:46:04 PM EDT
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It's strange, I was just offered a Locum position at stupid money rates, something on the order of $900.00 and hour. Granted my specialty is pretty specific, but I simply can't see a hospital paying me that kind of money.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 5:55:32 PM EDT
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I never would have thought this could happen.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 6:38:42 PM EDT
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It's strange, I was just offered a Locum position at stupid money rates, something on the order of $900.00 and hour. Granted my specialty is pretty specific, but I simply can't see a hospital paying me that kind of money. Get yours! We're using Locums in the ED at my facility. The money they must be making would make my head swim. Good for them. I'll hate the game, not the player. The cuts are making the nursing staff leave in droves. Administration ask too much and although "fuck them", I can't imagine the .gov hoops they have to jump through. I use to "not discourage" people from going to nursing school, but the shit storm the job is getting to be has me withholding an opinion now. Next time you're in the hospital ask your nurses how long they've been a nurse.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 6:53:20 PM EDT
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Lost my regular Dr., he said fuck it and closed up shop.
Was calling around for a new one and was rejected by almost every one till I said I had insurance from my job and cash. Then it was a fight over me , I just need to find the best one out of those I called now.
It really sucks that my neurologist quit as well as I liked him and itsa bitch to find one that will take me as a new patient. Its really going to suck in the next few years when more and more are dropped by their drs |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 6:54:19 PM EDT
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I know I'm working towards an early retirement, or just working for the VA.
FBHO. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 7:13:15 PM EDT
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It's going to result in a big crunch to have nurse practioners and physician assistants take over the primary care fields, and some specialty fields, at a cost of poorer quality of care. Family medicine, internal medicine, OB/GYN, emergency medicine, and anesthesia are being taken over by nurses.
In this regard Obamacare advocates can claim they have maintained or even increased access for patients, although their outcome measures are almost intentionally designed not to evaluate the resultant effect of poor quality care. I had a friend who was very competitive in med school, in some regards more so than myself, and he matched into internal medicine with no interest in pursuing a subspecialty. He just took a hospitalitist job and I can't see that being a viable long term employment strategy. To his credit he is out of training while I have a few years left, on the other hand I have what I believe is better job security and certainly a better pay scale. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 7:50:19 PM EDT
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If you like your doctor you can keep your....ahhhh .......Never mind
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:03:49 PM EDT
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The shortage is worse than you'd think from the numbers...
You'll see more and more Doctors and Nurses going into administration (which is growing to deal with all the new regulations), Insurance work (clinical pre-certs, etc.)...thus leaving less to actually...you know...treat patients... |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:06:54 PM EDT
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The shortage is worse than you'd think from the numbers... You'll see more and more Doctors and Nurses going into administration (which is growing to deal with all the new regulations), Insurance work (clinical pre-certs, etc.)...thus leaving less to actually...you know...treat patients... Actually, zero care has just accelerated what has been going on since the 60's. I tried to tell people, before zero care, that if we got rid of a large number of unnecessary regs, cost would start to fall, as it would require less people to be "involved" in their health care. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:08:39 PM EDT
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Their solution is more Green Cards.
Doctor shortage? No problem. Just bring in those highly qualified doctors and dentists from places like India.  |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:12:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:13:28 PM EDT
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Their solution is more Green Cards. Doctor shortage? No problem. Just bring in those highly qualified doctors and dentists from places like India. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cHuvNsihLH8/URHZtoJW7vI/AAAAAAAABpw/5W7HUkn4DrE/s320/one-of-the-best-dentist-ever-seen.jpg Leftists are exceedingly good at creating problems then offering "solutions" that are anything but. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:18:06 PM EDT
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One more thing Obama is doing to help his people.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:21:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Insurance already gutted law, just like they did with medicine now in conjunction with Obama. On a completely unrelated note, the insurance companies will make out like bandits under Obamacare and pass all the costs onto you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. They are next in the chopping block. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:23:14 PM EDT
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All part of the plan.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's going to result in a big crunch to have nurse practioners and physician assistants take over the primary care fields, and some specialty fields, at a cost of poorer quality of care. Family medicine, internal medicine, OB/GYN, emergency medicine, and anesthesia are being taken over by nurses. In this regard Obamacare advocates can claim they have maintained or even increased access for patients, although their outcome measures are almost intentionally designed not to evaluate the resultant effect of poor quality care. I had a friend who was very competitive in med school, in some regards more so than myself, and he matched into internal medicine with no interest in pursuing a subspecialty. He just took a hospitalitist job and I can't see that being a viable long term employment strategy. To his credit he is out of training while I have a few years left, on the other hand I have what I believe is better job security and certainly a better pay scale. There have always been nurses in anesthesia. More so than doctors number wise. Doctors had little interest in anesthesia as full time practice until WW2 and after Don't lump CRNAs in with other nurse practitioners. Our history is vastly different And yes. FBHO
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:32:45 PM EDT
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i have thought from the beginning of this obammess.
H1b visas will be their answer. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 8:51:43 PM EDT
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Why are you complaining Comrade? All is going according to the Five Year Plan to fundamentally transform America. Yes they are castrating all of the elephants, but so long as they don't call you an elephant, you'll be fine. Oh, they asked if your tusks are looser? |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:16:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i have thought from the beginning of this obammess. H1b visas will be their answer. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:21:20 PM EDT
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LoL. Anesthesia taken over by nurses. There have always been nurses in anesthesia. More so than doctors number wise. Doctors had little interest in anesthesia as full time practice until WW2 Don't lump CRNAs in with other nurse practitioners. Our history is vastly different And yes. FBHO Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's going to result in a big crunch to have nurse practioners and physician assistants take over the primary care fields, and some specialty fields, at a cost of poorer quality of care. Family medicine, internal medicine, OB/GYN, emergency medicine, and anesthesia are being taken over by nurses. In this regard Obamacare advocates can claim they have maintained or even increased access for patients, although their outcome measures are almost intentionally designed not to evaluate the resultant effect of poor quality care. I had a friend who was very competitive in med school, in some regards more so than myself, and he matched into internal medicine with no interest in pursuing a subspecialty. He just took a hospitalitist job and I can't see that being a viable long term employment strategy. To his credit he is out of training while I have a few years left, on the other hand I have what I believe is better job security and certainly a better pay scale. Doctors had little interest in anesthesia as full time practice until WW2 Don't lump CRNAs in with other nurse practitioners. Our history is vastly different And yes. FBHO Knew you'd be here, came to post this. Still in training and not sure who provides the majority of anesthetics in the country. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:30:28 PM EDT
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There isn't going to be a shortage of doctors. There is going to be a shortage of smart, hard working, dedicated, caring, self-employed and wealthy doctors. They will be replaced with, for the most part, average, clock watching, bureaucratic, middle class doctors employed by hospitals. Why work harder than the next doctor when you all get paid $70,000 and there's no salary growth? Smart people who would have gone into medicine will go into fields that are more rewarding. Who is John Galt? 
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:33:23 PM EDT
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It's going to result in a big crunch to have nurse practioners and physician assistants take over the primary care fields, and some specialty fields, at a cost of poorer quality of care. Family medicine, internal medicine, OB/GYN, emergency medicine, and anesthesia are being taken over by nurses. In this regard Obamacare advocates can claim they have maintained or even increased access for patients, although their outcome measures are almost intentionally designed not to evaluate the resultant effect of poor quality care. I had a friend who was very competitive in med school, in some regards more so than myself, and he matched into internal medicine with no interest in pursuing a subspecialty. He just took a hospitalitist job and I can't see that being a viable long term employment strategy. To his credit he is out of training while I have a few years left, on the other hand I have what I believe is better job security and certainly a better pay scale. Just curious why you think that? They do shift work so it's predictable and get a lot of time off. There are even hospitalists that are nocturnists ie. only work nights so he could likely only work day shifts. I'm a specialist and I would have no interest in that kind of work though. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:35:36 PM EDT
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No... The insurance cos time is running out too They are next in the chopping block. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. My opinion only but shared by others: The insurance companies will shift to managing Obamacare. They will still make good money by fleecing the taxpayer. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:38:02 PM EDT
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If they can pass the USMLE and get a license... Only 25% of FMGs can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. What they're doing right now is going to concierge work. Hospitals are hiring poorly trained "doctors" from foreign programs who barely speak English but can be taught to check all the right boxes for the bureaucrats that run the places. If they can pass the USMLE and get a license... Only 25% of FMGs can. Don't believe those rules apply on Federal reservations |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My opinion only but shared by others: The insurance companies will shift to managing Obamacare. They will still make good money by fleecing the taxpayer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well you can keep your doctor...unless he is now a lawyer or other well paid professional. My opinion only but shared by others: The insurance companies will shift to managing Obamacare. They will still make good money by fleecing the taxpayer. |
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