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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:46:07 AM EDT
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I believe this is the appropriate instance in which one would construct a certain iron and cement clad bulldozer.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:51:19 AM EDT
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because it isn't really YOURS. You see, the government is letting you use it and pay taxes on it until they need it more for themselves or for their campaign contributors.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:54:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:05:47 AM EDT
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican?
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:07:15 AM EDT
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The SCOTUS pretty much killed any concept of property rights in this country when it ruled the the government can take your land to give to a developer so that they can increase their tax base. To do good things with the new money of course.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:12:07 AM EDT
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It turns out socialism does have a profit motive.
All hail David Souter. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:16:43 AM EDT
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? 
Truth, this noob speaks it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:19:28 AM EDT
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? Not all republicans love freedom. Just look at some of those in congress and other parts of lower gov. Freedom is hard. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:19:50 AM EDT
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Hey, if you don't like the laws, then change them. Before everyone gets their panties in a wad, everyone I know who has had a pipe line pass through their property was happy with the deal. Of course there is going to someone along the way who isn't and several that will try to take financial advantage of the situation.
There is also the Libitarians who will also try to take advantage of the situation by painting Republicans as the bad guys. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:24:44 AM EDT
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Hey, if you don't like the laws, then change them. Before everyone gets their panties in a wad, everyone I know who has had a pipe line pass through their property was happy with the deal. Of course there is going to someone along the way who isn't and several that will try to take financial advantage of the situation. There is also the Libitarians who will also try to take advantage of the situation by painting Republicans as the bad guys. I'd take full advantage of leasing land for a pipe line. Its called capitalism. The question is why wouldn't you take advantage of it? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:28:08 AM EDT
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Hey, if you don't like the laws, then change them. Before everyone gets their panties in a wad, everyone I know who has had a pipe line pass through their property was happy with the deal. Of course there is going to someone along the way who isn't and several that will try to take financial advantage of the situation. There is also the Libitarians who will also try to take advantage of the situation by painting Republicans as the bad guys. *Libertarians The "if you don't like the laws, change them" is cop speak. I don't know anyone that thinks that politicians listen to the little guy, and if you think they'll change the laws over this big of a project, well.... Jim Morrison once screamed: "You cannot petition the Lord with prayer." He had a point. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:31:37 AM EDT
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A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business."
If it meets the criteria for a public work then take your money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:35:18 AM EDT
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Not all republicans love freedom. Just look at some of those in congress and other parts of lower gov. Freedom is hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? Not all republicans love freedom. Just look at some of those in congress and other parts of lower gov. Freedom is hard. Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:36:15 AM EDT
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? i'd say horsesheite big business is neither..it all depends on who holds the reign of government as to where their loyalties lie. we've the same law in Texas that was recently used(sued against and lost) with the Keystone pipeline project. It comes down to the oft used and far to often abused Common Good clause, found in the Good and Plenty portion of the Constitution. Want to bet Colorado lost their freedome to a bunch of DEMOCRATS supported by California big business in recent years(I warned them when I left) and you'll lose more before they're done. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:39:38 AM EDT
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It was a huge legal battle a while back when Texas deregulated the energy companies and CPS started pulling eminent domain to run high tension wires through land that was already powered.
In the end, the land owners got huge eyesores across the front of their property, they still only have one option for power because CPS couldn't compete with the local co-ops, and the transmission costs in San Antonio and Austin went up quite a bit. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 7:55:11 AM EDT
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' You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." People don't violate rights--governments do |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:27:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCorporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:42:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People don't violate rights--governments do Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." People don't violate rights--governments do  |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:51:40 AM EDT
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http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Hmm seems like trump is still part statist. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:00:00 AM EDT
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http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Yeah, I don't think you can say Trump is a conservative. but that's how most of the ultra-rich play it. Work both sides. But the Dems benefit much more from the arrangement than GOPe. But I digress. So looking at Kelo v. New London, it's pretty easy to see who favors statism vs. life, liberty and property. FOR statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer AGAINST statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas Who are the statists and who are the classical liberals? So here's a few names of the ultra-rich that are registered democrats: Warren Buffett, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, Elon Musk, Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfien, Morgan Chase's Jamie Dimon, George Soros. Then there's those like Trump who play both sides (which is pretty much all of them). Party affiliation doesn't really matter anymore because they've all got an 'e' after the name. DNCe and GOPe. Corporate capitalism. Crony capitalism. Whatever you want to call it. Tthey don't possess one iota of conservative values. the middle class is dead. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:41:59 AM EDT
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Unlike Capitalism, the clouds of Socialism and Communism have no silver linings.... |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:53:07 AM EDT
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A private company isn't making anyone do anything. When push comes to shove, it would be government guns that were pointed at people that didn't want to accept this.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:07:07 AM EDT
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Want to guess what the number 1 plank is in the 10 planks of Marxism?
1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:14:39 AM EDT
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Yeah, I don't think you can say Trump is a conservative. but that's how most of the ultra-rich play it. Work both sides. But the Dems benefit much more from the arrangement than GOPe. But I digress. So looking at Kelo v. New London, it's pretty easy to see who favors statism vs. life, liberty and property. FOR statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer AGAINST statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas Who are the statists and who are the classical liberals? So here's a few names of the ultra-rich that are registered democrats: Warren Buffett, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, Elon Musk, Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfien, Morgan Chase's Jamie Dimon, George Soros. Then there's those like Trump who play both sides (which is pretty much all of them). Party affiliation doesn't really matter anymore because they've all got an 'e' after the name. DNCe and GOPe. Corporate capitalism. Crony capitalism. Whatever you want to call it. Tthey don't possess one iota of conservative values. the middle class is dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Yeah, I don't think you can say Trump is a conservative. but that's how most of the ultra-rich play it. Work both sides. But the Dems benefit much more from the arrangement than GOPe. But I digress. So looking at Kelo v. New London, it's pretty easy to see who favors statism vs. life, liberty and property. FOR statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer AGAINST statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas Who are the statists and who are the classical liberals? So here's a few names of the ultra-rich that are registered democrats: Warren Buffett, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, Elon Musk, Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfien, Morgan Chase's Jamie Dimon, George Soros. Then there's those like Trump who play both sides (which is pretty much all of them). Party affiliation doesn't really matter anymore because they've all got an 'e' after the name. DNCe and GOPe. Corporate capitalism. Crony capitalism. Whatever you want to call it. Tthey don't possess one iota of conservative values. the middle class is dead. That isn't capitalism. That Facism. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Author of that article looks like she would fuck the living shit out of you.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:27:50 AM EDT
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People don't violate rights--governments do Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." People don't violate rights--governments do The bill of rights is an enumeration of rights which the government is (in theory) prohibited from violating. It is not an enumeration of all your rights. The right to own, possess, and control property is so fundamental to our society, remedies for violations of an individual's property rights exist against the government (takings clause) as well as against individuals (theft, larceny, etc.) |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:30:29 AM EDT
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The bill of rights is an enumeration of rights which the government is (in theory) prohibited from violating. It is not an enumeration of all your rights. The right to own, possess, and control property is so fundamental to our society, remedies for violations of an individual's property rights exist against the government (takings clause) as well as against individuals (theft, larceny, etc.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." People don't violate rights--governments do The bill of rights is an enumeration of rights which the government is (in theory) prohibited from violating. It is not an enumeration of all your rights. The right to own, possess, and control property is so fundamental to our society, remedies for violations of an individual's property rights exist against the government (takings clause) as well as against individuals (theft, larceny, etc.) Tell that to the people who have had property taken through eminent domain. The gov doesn't care about your rights they have the courts on their side so they can get away with what ever the fuck they want. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:32:38 AM EDT
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The SCOTUS pretty much killed any concept of property rights in this country when it ruled the the government can take your land to give to a developer so that they can increase their tax base. To do good things with the new money of course. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:35:30 AM EDT
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Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? Not all republicans love freedom. Just look at some of those in congress and other parts of lower gov. Freedom is hard. Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. Then you aren't looking very close then broseph. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:38:19 AM EDT
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Roads, schools, highways, water, fuel, sewer, power lines all come under the eminent domain laws.
Power Company needs new powerline what are they to do if someone doesn't want to sell? Now shopping malls are an entirely different thing. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:41:17 AM EDT
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Roads, schools, highways, water, fuel, sewer, power lines all come under the eminent domain laws. Power Company needs new powerline what are they to do if someone doesn't want to sell? Now shopping malls are an entirely different thing. For the afermentioned things you are ok with the gov taking your land as long as its for just those things? For the power company that "needs" new powerlines they can lease the property like oil companies do. Taking someones property at gun point if they don't want to see is a commie idea. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:46:20 AM EDT
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That isn't capitalism. That Facism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Yeah, I don't think you can say Trump is a conservative. but that's how most of the ultra-rich play it. Work both sides. But the Dems benefit much more from the arrangement than GOPe. But I digress. So looking at Kelo v. New London, it's pretty easy to see who favors statism vs. life, liberty and property. FOR statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer AGAINST statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas Who are the statists and who are the classical liberals? So here's a few names of the ultra-rich that are registered democrats: Warren Buffett, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, Elon Musk, Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfien, Morgan Chase's Jamie Dimon, George Soros. Then there's those like Trump who play both sides (which is pretty much all of them). Party affiliation doesn't really matter anymore because they've all got an 'e' after the name. DNCe and GOPe. Corporate capitalism. Crony capitalism. Whatever you want to call it. Tthey don't possess one iota of conservative values. the middle class is dead. That isn't capitalism. That Facism. Corporatism = Fascism |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:47:35 AM EDT
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Tell that to the people who have had property taken through eminent domain. The gov doesn't care about your rights they have the courts on their side so they can get away with what ever the fuck they want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." People don't violate rights--governments do The bill of rights is an enumeration of rights which the government is (in theory) prohibited from violating. It is not an enumeration of all your rights. The right to own, possess, and control property is so fundamental to our society, remedies for violations of an individual's property rights exist against the government (takings clause) as well as against individuals (theft, larceny, etc.) Tell that to the people who have had property taken through eminent domain. The gov doesn't care about your rights they have the courts on their side so they can get away with what ever the fuck they want. Like I said, "in theory". |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:48:38 AM EDT
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Roads, schools, highways, water, fuel, sewer, power lines all come under the eminent domain laws. Power Company needs new powerline what are they to do if someone doesn't want to sell? Now shopping malls are an entirely different thing. What about football stadiums? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:50:56 AM EDT
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That isn't capitalism. That Facism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/ Trump: I happen to agree with [the Kelo decision] 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that’s not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it’s local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that’s not good into a good area, and move the person that’s living there into a better place — now, I know it might not be their choice — but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. Yeah, I don't think you can say Trump is a conservative. but that's how most of the ultra-rich play it. Work both sides. But the Dems benefit much more from the arrangement than GOPe. But I digress. So looking at Kelo v. New London, it's pretty easy to see who favors statism vs. life, liberty and property. FOR statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer AGAINST statist confiscation of personal property (without proper remuneration): O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas Who are the statists and who are the classical liberals? So here's a few names of the ultra-rich that are registered democrats: Warren Buffett, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, Elon Musk, Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfien, Morgan Chase's Jamie Dimon, George Soros. Then there's those like Trump who play both sides (which is pretty much all of them). Party affiliation doesn't really matter anymore because they've all got an 'e' after the name. DNCe and GOPe. Corporate capitalism. Crony capitalism. Whatever you want to call it. Tthey don't possess one iota of conservative values. the middle class is dead. That isn't capitalism. That Facism. It's not fascism in the same vein as Mussolini's or Hitler's, in the sense that the government hold more sway over the corporate action than the opposite. But I would say it is a form of Fascism. Because, in the end, the government still holds the authority of coercion. Gibson Guitar. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:52:18 AM EDT
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Then you aren't looking very close then broseph. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? Not all republicans love freedom. Just look at some of those in congress and other parts of lower gov. Freedom is hard. Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. Then you aren't looking very close then broseph. I listed a few. Name names. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:55:03 AM EDT
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I believe this is the appropriate instance in which one would construct a certain iron and cement clad bulldozer. Correct |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:03:19 AM EDT
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What about football stadiums? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Roads, schools, highways, water, fuel, sewer, power lines all come under the eminent domain laws. Power Company needs new powerline what are they to do if someone doesn't want to sell? Now shopping malls are an entirely different thing. What about football stadiums? No football stadiums. Eminent Domain laws have been used for 100 years for infrastructure which includes roads, schools, power and oil pipelines. It's and accepted law. Courts have heard probbly a million cases. I lost or more to the piont forced to sell my property to a community college so I know a little of this thing called eminent domain. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:07:52 AM EDT
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The rationale is that without the pipelines, it would be extremely difficult and costly to get oil and gas from wells to refineries. A single well-positioned landowner might be in a position to block several other landowners from ever being able to sell their product (oil and gas). The alternatives to pipelines are frequent tanker truck traffic which is also tough on county infrastructure and not much loved by locals. Utilities in Texas (including gas, electric, water, etc.) are allowed to use eminent domain proceedings to construct pipelines or electrical lines as a result - subject to the legal process, accomodation doctrine and an award by three landowners in the county. This is not a recent development or a post-Kelo development. It goes back decades. This PDF goes into the legal history and reasoning. It also isn't unique to Texas. It basically boils down to "public use" and "adequate compensation.". Although the company is privately owned, the utility is considered a public use. The other solutions are: 1) The government owns and runs all the utility companies - making the use unquestionably public 2) all utilities are constructed without the use of eminent domain - which I think the last example I'm aware of where that happened was a toll road in the first decade of the early 20th century (if anyone knows of another example, I'd love to read about it). |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:07:56 AM EDT
[#41]
My first attempt at a Hammermill is an utter failure. I must return to studying the Master before I try again...
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:13:27 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The SCOTUS pretty much killed any concept of property rights in this country when it ruled the the government can take your land to give to a developer so that they can increase their tax base. To do good things with the new money of course. Reconsider their decisions. One day some land owner with special skills is not gonna roll over And sell his land. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:16:08 AM EDT
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And when more land developers die of lead poisoning they might Reconsider their decisions. One day some land owner with special skills is not gonna roll over And sell his land. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The SCOTUS pretty much killed any concept of property rights in this country when it ruled the the government can take your land to give to a developer so that they can increase their tax base. To do good things with the new money of course. One day some land owner with special skills is not gonna roll over And sell his land. Then he'll be made to look like a psycho gun owner. The left will weaponize anything they can get their skanky hands on. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:19:54 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The SCOTUS pretty much killed any concept of property rights in this country when it ruled the the government can take your land to give to a developer so that they can increase their tax base. To do good things with the new money of course. Just another nail in the coffin of what was once Liberty. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:22:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ' You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take you money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. You clearly do not know what a libertarian is. Libertarians are not MYOB, they are "Get the fucking government out of peoples business. Unless someone is violating someone else's rights, it isn't the government business." Don't even bother. Those who hate liberty hate Libertarians, and will always paint a distorted picture of what we are. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:26:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you aren't looking very close then broseph. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who wants to take a bet that the owners of the these companies and the politicians who support them are 100% republican? Not all republicans love freedom. Just look at some of those in congress and other parts of lower gov. Freedom is hard. Corporate Crony-ists are generally Democrats from what I've seen. Then you aren't looking very close then broseph. You mean like this? Enron and its employees were the largest contributors to President Bush's campaigns over the years, and Enron gave more money to politicians in the last election cycle than did any other energy company. Since 1993, its employees and its chairman, Kenneth L. Lay, have donated nearly $2 million to Mr. Bush. In the 2000 election cycle, more than $1 million was donated to federal political campaigns, most of it to Republicans. Mr. Lay also had powerful friends. He recruited Wendy L. Gramm, the top commodities regulator in the administration of President Bush's father and the wife of Senator Phil Gramm, Republican of Texas, to serve on Enron's board in 1993. The appointment came just five weeks after Ms. Gramm helped push through a ruling at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission that exempted many energy contracts from regulation. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:26:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take your money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. Justify tyranny however you desire. It's still tyranny. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:30:31 AM EDT
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Justify tyranny however you desire. It's still tyranny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A true Libertarian would claim "not my land, not my business." If it meets the criteria for a public work then take your money and move on. Its a bitch but without the law there would be no power lines, sewer, water or even roads. I understand some here want a return to the caveman days but that isn't going to happen. We know those with the "Pushing up Daisies talk" are just smoke blowers. Justify tyranny however you desire. It's still tyranny. Statist gonna be statist. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:32:20 AM EDT
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I've always thought that when the government takes someone's property, that it should be market value multiplied by a facture of 10. This "fair market value" is a bunch of bullshit.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:33:59 AM EDT
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I've always thought that when the government takes someone's property, that it should be market value multiplied by a facture of 10. This "fair market value" is a bunch of bullshit. Of course those who come out to your property and tell you how much its worth works for the gov. |
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