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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:35:57 AM EDT
An 18-year-old township man claims that police used excessive force against him while breaking up a party last weekend.
West Deptford police arrived at an apartment on Apple Lane at about 2 a.m. on Saturday after receiving complaints of a loud party and possible underaged drinking. Video of the incident posted to YouTube shows two officers, James Creedon and Charles Svenson, asking Chris Cuneo, 18, of West Deptford, to identify himself as partygoers leave the residence. "What's your first name?" asks one officer in the video. "I'm not telling you," Cuneo replies. "You're going to be arrested for obstruction," says the officer. "For obstruction of what?" asks Cuneo. "For obstructing my investigation," the officer responds. "Give him your name," says another officer. "I don't want to be a part of this," Cuneo says before the camera in his hand is apparently dropped on the ground. A scuffle ensues. http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2015/07/watch_west_deptford_teen_claims_arrest_video_shows.html http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2015/08/claim_of_excessive_force_why_are_some_cops_placed.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:39:09 AM EDT
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West Deptford tuned my little brother up for breaking into cars while drunk and underage. He deserved it.
Extorris On topic, "isolated incident" /Extorris |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:41:07 AM EDT
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I guess he should have given them his name.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:44:03 AM EDT
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Well, now, there's another group out there for whom violence is the first and ready resort. Likely a result of the frequent interactions of the two.
So, that makes two of them, like peas in a pod. Isolated incident. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:48:59 AM EDT
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I guess he should have given them his name. It isn't that hard. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:50:25 AM EDT
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Why didn't the cop say "you are under arrest, please turn around with your hands behind your back" or at least break it down slowly to the kid why he would be arrested?
I didn't see any punch or if there was a punch was it warranted I don't know. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:07:33 AM EDT
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I guess he should have given them his name. You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. You may not need actual identification papers, but you still have to tell your name. Can't cops hold you until you can be identified? A stubborn guy who refuses to give his name could be detained for a very long time. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:09:30 AM EDT
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You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. You may not need actual identification papers, but you still have to tell your name. Can't cops hold you until you can be identified? A stubborn guy who refuses to give his name could be detained for a very long time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. You may not need actual identification papers, but you still have to tell your name. Can't cops hold you until you can be identified? A stubborn guy who refuses to give his name could be detained for a very long time. Not if you're a Sovereign Citizen. Then YOU can arrest the officer for trying to illegally question you. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:23:46 AM EDT
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You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. You may not need actual identification papers, but you still have to tell your name. Can't cops hold you until you can be identified? A stubborn guy who refuses to give his name could be detained for a very long time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. You may not need actual identification papers, but you still have to tell your name. Can't cops hold you until you can be identified? A stubborn guy who refuses to give his name could be detained for a very long time. Hindering charge (at the very least) and they get lodged on a "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" warrant. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:30:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:33:50 PM EDT
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Why didn't the cop say "you are under arrest, please turn around with your hands behind your back" or at least break it down slowly to the kid why he would be arrested? I didn't see any punch or if there was a punch was it warranted I don't know. Looks like he already did break it down as to why he would be arrested. It is pretty clear in the OP. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:49:45 PM EDT
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Shouldn't have answered the door.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:53:41 PM EDT
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It isn't that hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. It isn't that hard. It is if you're a moron. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:16:56 PM EDT
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You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. Actually - yes, you can, unless the jurisdiction has a "stop and identify" law. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:18:19 PM EDT
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Hindering charge (at the very least) and they get lodged on a "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. You may not need actual identification papers, but you still have to tell your name. Can't cops hold you until you can be identified? A stubborn guy who refuses to give his name could be detained for a very long time. Hindering charge (at the very least) and they get lodged on a "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" warrant. Plus his booking photo gets posted on the cover of the local newspaper, plus tv stations' Facebook pages, then 4Chan with a "who can identify this guy" message. A judge could also hold him in contempt of court and keep adding time every time he refuses to give his name. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:19:08 PM EDT
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I guess he is a slow learner.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:19:19 PM EDT
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A judge could also hold him in contempt of court and keep adding time every time he refuses to give his name. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:24:45 PM EDT
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Hindering charge (at the very least) and they get lodged on a "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" warrant. How is mere failure to participate ("I don't want to be involved in this") "hindering" or "obstruction?" If there is a "stop and identify" law there AND they have RS to detain, then good arrest. Otherwise, dogshit. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:33:29 PM EDT
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A judge could also hold him in contempt of court and keep adding time every time he refuses to give his name. Judge "What's your name?" Loser "I ain't tellin' you NUFFIN!" Judge "In MY court your plan won't fly. You're in contempt. Maybe you'll remember your name in a week." Repeat as long as the dumbass is willing to stay in custody, or until someone misses him enough to tell the courts who he is. Who was that guy who spen YEARS in jail for not paying his ex some money the judge thought he had, but didn't? If a judge REALLY digs his heels in, you're fucked. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:40:01 PM EDT
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Judge "What's your name?" Loser "I ain't tellin' you NUFFIN!" Judge "In MY court your plan won't fly. You're in contempt. Maybe you'll remember your name in a week." Repeat as long as the dumbass is willing to stay in custody, or until someone misses him enough to tell the courts who he is. Who was that guy who spen YEARS in jail for not paying his ex some money the judge thought he had, but didn't? If a judge REALLY digs his heels in, you're fucked. How does he end up in front of a judge to begin with in this story? Please tell me more about how judges work. I have no experience in that arena. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:41:36 PM EDT
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Cop hitting a kid for not giving his name? And you all are ok with this? Read the FUCKING CONSTITUTION!!!
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:44:57 PM EDT
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How does he end up in front of a judge to begin with in this story? Please tell me more about how judges work. I have no experience in that arena. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Judge "What's your name?" Loser "I ain't tellin' you NUFFIN!" Judge "In MY court your plan won't fly. You're in contempt. Maybe you'll remember your name in a week." Repeat as long as the dumbass is willing to stay in custody, or until someone misses him enough to tell the courts who he is. Who was that guy who spen YEARS in jail for not paying his ex some money the judge thought he had, but didn't? If a judge REALLY digs his heels in, you're fucked. How does he end up in front of a judge to begin with in this story? Please tell me more about how judges work. I have no experience in that arena. You get better judges at your level of competence. 
Local judges may not be much of am improvement over your average Wal-Mart greeter. I watched a judge doze off while surfing the internet as I waited my turn to speak at a coworker's sentencing (drunk driving). |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:45:17 PM EDT
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Cop hitting a kid for not giving his name? And you all are ok with this? Read the FUCKING CONSTITUTION!!! Did you see a hit? The video sucks for showing much. Looks like the nice victim is trying to flee from the police. Or just leave from the area and ignore the police. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:52:53 PM EDT
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Cop hitting a kid for not giving his name? And you all are ok with this? Read the FUCKING CONSTITUTION!!! ok. What part am I looking for? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:54:36 PM EDT
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Did you see a hit? The video sucks for showing much. Looks like the nice victim is trying to flee from the police. Or just leave from the area and ignore the police. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop hitting a kid for not giving his name? And you all are ok with this? Read the FUCKING CONSTITUTION!!! Did you see a hit? The video sucks for showing much. Looks like the nice victim is trying to flee from the police. Or just leave from the area and ignore the police. Officer I wasn't fleeing and eluding you. I was ignoring your lawful commands while walking away at a fast pace. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:55:47 PM EDT
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Officer I wasn't fleeing and eluding you. I was ignoring your lawful commands while walking away at a fast pace. Free inhabitants are not required to comply anyways. They have that right. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:01:12 PM EDT
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Meh. Probably better to just drive by the address at the speed limit with your windows up, fail to hear anything, and make it unfounded.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:03:27 PM EDT
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I guess he should have given them his name. But they had gold fringes on their flag arm patches. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:06:12 PM EDT
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Meh. Probably better to just drive by the address at the speed limit with your windows up, fail to hear anything, and make it unfounded. You're getting to about the Extorris level of cynical. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:07:37 PM EDT
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You're getting to about the Extorris level of cynical.
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Meh. Probably better to just drive by the address at the speed limit with your windows up, fail to hear anything, and make it unfounded. You're getting to about the Extorris level of cynical.
He's just a Yankee version of me.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:09:13 PM EDT
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So, did he wind up giving his name or not? The story doesn't say anything about that.
Re-read, never mind. Reading is fundamental. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:12:56 PM EDT
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He's just a Yankee version of me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. Probably better to just drive by the address at the speed limit with your windows up, fail to hear anything, and make it unfounded. You're getting to about the Extorris level of cynical.
He's just a Yankee version of me. He's in Georgia now. He converted.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:13:25 PM EDT
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So, did he wind up giving his name or not? The story doesn't say anything about that. Considering that the story names him, I'm guessing that mystery was solved. Thank goodness. The people of New Jersey can sleep easy now that this dangerous scofflaw has been identified. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:19:03 PM EDT
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Just asked for first name.
Was it Punchme? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess he should have given them his name. WTF is this north korea? If you were being sarcastic you have my apology |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:25:56 PM EDT
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Actually - yes, you can, unless the jurisdiction has a "stop and identify" law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. You can't refuse to tell the cops who you are. Actually - yes, you can, unless the jurisdiction has a "stop and identify" law. Unless you are under investigation for a crime.. in this case, under age drinking, possibly supply alcohol to minors etc.. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:26:52 PM EDT
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How is mere failure to participate ("I don't want to be involved in this") "hindering" or "obstruction?" If there is a "stop and identify" law there AND they have RS to detain, then good arrest. Otherwise, dogshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hindering charge (at the very least) and they get lodged on a "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" warrant. How is mere failure to participate ("I don't want to be involved in this") "hindering" or "obstruction?" If there is a "stop and identify" law there AND they have RS to detain, then good arrest. Otherwise, dogshit. If they are about to charge him... then it is hindering. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:28:26 PM EDT
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A judge could also hold him in contempt of court and keep adding time every time he refuses to give his name. I've seen it done. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:29:35 PM EDT
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I've seen it done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A judge could also hold him in contempt of court and keep adding time every time he refuses to give his name. I've seen it done. They'll just keep in jail until they verify his identity. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:30:11 PM EDT
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My wife hits me for saying other people's names....
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:32:14 PM EDT
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My wife hits me for saying other people's names.... Try saying a woman's name next time.   
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:32:50 PM EDT
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What happened to his constitutional RIGHT to remain silent. You don't have to talk anyone.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:36:32 PM EDT
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Looks like he was edging towards the door to try and run. I'm guessing the officers weren't going to have any of that.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't that hard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess he should have given them his name. It isn't that hard. I mean someday they will punch the wrong guys kid and it won't be good. I had a bar fight in sea side with a cop who broke my buddy's jaw 5 years earlier. He brought it up, he said he should have broke my jaw too, he was drunk and I tried to disengage as best I could, he was having none of it, he swung at me and I ducked, he swung again, this time he hit me on the shoulder/jaw, I had no choice at that point, I thought I was in big trouble till some Sea side Lt showed up, they had it with this clown and cuffed him and took the cuffs off me and told me have a good night. That was the most rewarding bar fight (if there is such a thing) I ever had. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:39:11 PM EDT
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I always wonder how the law of averages never seem to catch up? I mean someday they will punch the wrong guys kid and it won't be good. I had a bar fight in sea side with a cop who broke my buddy's jaw 5 years earlier. He brought it up, he said he should have broke my jaw too, he was drunk and I tried to disengage as best I could, he was having none of it, he swung at me and I ducked, he swung again, this time he hit me on the shoulder/jaw, I had no choice at that point, I thought I was in big trouble till some Sea side Lt showed up, they had it with this clown and cuffed him and took the cuffs off me and told me have a good night. That was the most rewarding bar fight (if there is such a thing) I ever had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess he should have given them his name. It isn't that hard. I mean someday they will punch the wrong guys kid and it won't be good. I had a bar fight in sea side with a cop who broke my buddy's jaw 5 years earlier. He brought it up, he said he should have broke my jaw too, he was drunk and I tried to disengage as best I could, he was having none of it, he swung at me and I ducked, he swung again, this time he hit me on the shoulder/jaw, I had no choice at that point, I thought I was in big trouble till some Sea side Lt showed up, they had it with this clown and cuffed him and took the cuffs off me and told me have a good night. That was the most rewarding bar fight (if there is such a thing) I ever had. I didn't see a video of someone getting punched, just an audio of someone claiming there was a punch. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:39:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cop hitting a kid for not giving his name? And you all are ok with this? Read the FUCKING CONSTITUTION!!! |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:40:15 PM EDT
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They'll just keep in jail until they verify his identity. What entitles them to his identity in the first place? We still haven't established that. You don't get to judges and contempt charges until you pass that hurdle. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:40:41 PM EDT
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A judge could also hold him in contempt of court and keep adding time every time he refuses to give his name. I've seen it done. Yeah, I've seen all sorts of shit done. That doesn't mean it was legal. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you see a hit? The video sucks for showing much. Looks like the nice victim is trying to flee from the police. Or just leave from the area and ignore the police. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cop hitting a kid for not giving his name? And you all are ok with this? Read the FUCKING CONSTITUTION!!! Did you see a hit? The video sucks for showing much. Looks like the nice victim is trying to flee from the police. Or just leave from the area and ignore the police. Was the cop justified if he indeed did punch the kid for not giving his name? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:41:29 PM EDT
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What entitles them to his identity in the first place? We still haven't established that. You don't get to judges and contempt charges until you pass that hurdle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They'll just keep in jail until they verify his identity. What entitles them to his identity in the first place? We still haven't established that. You don't get to judges and contempt charges until you pass that hurdle. It isn't a contempt charge. It is called a "John / Jane Done" warrant. If they are about to be charged with something, and their identity cannot be proven, you can lodge them on the warrant until their identity can be found out. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 3:43:15 PM EDT
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It isn't a contempt charge. It is called a "John / Jane Done" warrant. If they are about to be charged with something, and their identity cannot be proven, you can lodge them on the warrant until their identity can be found out. Yeah. That's what we're missing here. "I'm holding you until you tell me your name, because you won't tell me your name" doesn't work. Is there a "stop and identify" law in that town, or in NJ? And if so, what was he suspected of doing that gave them the predicate power to detain him to identify him? |
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