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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:39:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Modern unit is picked off at 800-1000 yards by M1 Garands......over.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:41:17 PM EDT
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S_A_C thread
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:41:28 PM EDT
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Those older guys probably have us beat for tobacco but they won't have ripits. The caffeine gap is real.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:42:27 PM EDT
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Modern forces.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:42:54 PM EDT
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Modern Infantry is composed of Professional Soldiers, WW2 was conscripted,volunteers and a few Professionals.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:43:20 PM EDT
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This is one of the few times that I think the more modern army doesn't have an advantage.
You are taking away some of the best advantages of the Modern US army. Combined arms. When you are just talking about guys shooting rifles at each other I think its pretty balanced. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:43:51 PM EDT
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Modern forces win. Long range firepower is less useful in that environment. Being able to lay down more fire is, and modern forces are better at that generally speaking.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:45:03 PM EDT
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Who wins the fight: A pistol or an air strike?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:45:30 PM EDT
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Modern forces win. Long range firepower is less useful in that environment. Being able to lay down more fire is, and modern forces are better at that generally speaking. WW2 forces are more accepting of casualties. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one of the few times that I think the more modern army doesn't have an advantage. You are taking away some of the best advantages of the Modern US army. Combined arms. When you are just talking about guys shooting rifles at each other I think its pretty balanced. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:45:58 PM EDT
[#11]
What nations infantry ?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:46:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Body armor is going to go a long way.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:46:08 PM EDT
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I'm sure this one has been done before
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:46:56 PM EDT
[#14]
All of those M1 clips piniing will give away their locations so the modern soldiers will know where to call in the air strikes.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:47:06 PM EDT
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Body armor is going to go a long way. Sit in defense till night time. Murder WW2 people. Disappear because you killed your grandpa. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:48:06 PM EDT
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I'm sure this one has been done before Probably, but what if threads are fun. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:48:28 PM EDT
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Being an 11B as recently as 2014, I really want to say modern but I still think it'd have to go to the old guys.
Their only disadvantage against us is optics. They don't have 130lbs of PPE to slow them down. Their rifles can outrange ours. The individual soldier is going to be a tougher, leaner, meaner sumbitch; while half of ours won't be in the fight because they went red on dental and have a profile for fibromyalgia. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:48:30 PM EDT
[#18]
ROE of their respective era's? WWII guys win. Their ROE was kill the enemy and break his shit.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:50:44 PM EDT
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ROE of their respective era's? WWII guys win. Their ROE was kill the enemy and break his shit. This is my point exactly, if the rest can't tell, the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:51:53 PM EDT
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:52:17 PM EDT
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. this is it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:53:25 PM EDT
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Being an 11B as recently as 2014, I really want to say modern but I still think it'd have to go to the old guys. Their only disadvantage against us is optics. They don't have 130lbs of PPE to slow them down. Their rifles can outrange ours. The individual soldier is going to be a tougher, leaner, meaner sumbitch; while half of ours won't be in the fight because they went red on dental and have a profile for fibromyalgia. The individual WWII soldier is going to be smaller, weaker, and poorly trained compared to the individual modern soldier. "The poorer the infantry, the more artillery it needs; the American infantry needs all it can get." Edit: And RA's point about night fighting is right. Giving our guys thermals and night vision makes it not even a fight. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:54:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being an 11B as recently as 2014, I really want to say modern but I still think it'd have to go to the old guys. Their only disadvantage against us is optics. They don't have 130lbs of PPE to slow them down. Their rifles can outrange ours. The individual soldier is going to be a tougher, leaner, meaner sumbitch; while half of ours won't be in the fight because they went red on dental and have a profile for fibromyalgia. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:56:42 PM EDT
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fight starts in early morning shortly after sun up Fight starts when the people with night vision say it starts 
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:57:39 PM EDT
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If the modern infantry get their night vision it would be wholesale slaughter after dark. Even the modern body armor would be a huge advantage against the Thompson and M1 Carbine equipped troops. Not sure if a Garand firing 1940's era load/pressure would penetrate a SAPI or E-SAPI, anyone care to comment?
So on the one side you have a mix of Garands, 1903A3, M1 Carbines, Thompson & M3 grease gun smg's. 30 caliber machine guns and BAR's. Against M4 Carbines and M16 rifles, SPR, SR25, M40, M82A1, various .338 rifles, probably not many true SMG's but there are MP5, UMP, MP7 subguns and CQBR's. Then there are M249/Mk46, Mk48, M240, M2, Mk19, plus LSAT and other lightweight MG's. The firepower advantage would easily go to the modern infantry. The armor advantage is to modern also. The better medics, modern. Better GPMG's and far more of them! A modern infantry company versus a ww2 company, NO contest. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:57:47 PM EDT
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The modern army has better rifles, optics, more ammunition, night vision, handheld radios, and the knowledge of everything that didn't work in World Wad II. The guys with the Garands would be wiped out in short order.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:58:16 PM EDT
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Who wins the fight: A pistol or an air strike? I didn't know a jet or helo was classified as infantry personnel? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:58:48 PM EDT
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Not sure if a Garand firing 1940's era load/pressure would penetrate a SAPI or E-SAPI, anyone care to comment? E-SAPI stops .30-06 black tip. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 4:59:14 PM EDT
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Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:00:24 PM EDT
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S_A_C thread |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:00:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure this one has been done before |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:01:13 PM EDT
[#32]
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If the modern infantry get their night vision it would be wholesale slaughter after dark. Even the modern body armor would be a huge advantage against the Thompson and M1 Carbine equipped troops. Not sure if a Garand firing 1940's era load/pressure would penetrate a SAPI or E-SAPI, anyone care to comment? So on the one side you have a mix of Garands, 1903A3, M1 Carbines, Thompson & M3 grease gun smg's. 30 caliber machine guns and BAR's. Against M4 Carbines and M16 rifles, SPR, SR25, M40, M82A1, various .338 rifles, probably not many true SMG's but there are MP5, UMP, MP7 subguns and CQBR's. Then there are M249/Mk46, Mk48, M240, M2, Mk19, plus LSAT and other lightweight MG's. The firepower advantage would easily go to the modern infantry. The armor advantage is to modern also. The better medics, modern. Better GPMG's and far more of them! A modern infantry company versus a ww2 company, NO contest. Commo is far better, too. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:01:50 PM EDT
[#33]
does the modern infantry company still have mortars?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:01:52 PM EDT
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No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. Since time travel in one direction or the other is part of this game, it sounds like this takes place in some sort of urban arena rather than the real world. So everything in the arena is fair game to blow it up. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:02:48 PM EDT
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Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:02:52 PM EDT
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No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. Lol |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:03:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:04:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the modern infantry get their night vision it would be wholesale slaughter after dark. Even the modern body armor would be a huge advantage against the Thompson and M1 Carbine equipped troops. Not sure if a Garand firing 1940's era load/pressure would penetrate a SAPI or E-SAPI, anyone care to comment? So on the one side you have a mix of Garands, 1903A3, M1 Carbines, Thompson & M3 grease gun smg's. 30 caliber machine guns and BAR's. Against M4 Carbines and M16 rifles, SPR, SR25, M40, M82A1, various .338 rifles, probably not many true SMG's but there are MP5, UMP, MP7 subguns and CQBR's. Then there are M249/Mk46, Mk48, M240, M2, Mk19, plus LSAT and other lightweight MG's. The firepower advantage would easily go to the modern infantry. The armor advantage is to modern also. The better medics, modern. Better GPMG's and far more of them! A modern infantry company versus a ww2 company, NO contest. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:04:11 PM EDT
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When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! I'm going to pretend to know what ROEs have ever been in Afghanistan or Iraq, but from reading this forum for over 6 years I've come away with the impression that they weren't anywhere near as restrictive as people make them out to be. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:04:21 PM EDT
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When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! Yeah, when I was in Anbar in 2005 we destroyed fucking everything. We even fired a bunch of AT4s into a school. 
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:04:21 PM EDT
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No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can't ell the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Are all the WW2 people gonna dress as civilians and plant IEDs or something? We slaughter people actively fighting us. A uniformed combatant would be a treat. No, but they might fortify a church/mosque, school, or whatever other "don't blow it up" place might be handy and they won't have to concern themselves with collateral damage. You have less than no idea what you're talking about. Every thread you start is just more and more embarrassing for you. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:04:43 PM EDT
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Yeah, when I was in Anbar in 2005 we destroyed fucking everything. We even fired a bunch of AT4s into a school. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was in Ramadi we could shoot on sight any Iraqi with binos, any type of recording device, or anyone with a digging tool of any kind after dark. ZOMG muh ROE's! Yeah, when I was in Anbar in 2005 we destroyed fucking everything. We even fired a bunch of AT4s into a school. Why do you love war crimes?
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:05:32 PM EDT
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Some of you guys who's never BTDT should hear what a modern infantry company sounds like when it "opens up". The suppressive fire alone would make my WWII grandpa piss himself.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:05:40 PM EDT
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Why do you love war crimes? Just getting my body and mind ready to time travel kill my grandpa. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:05:54 PM EDT
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This is my point exactly, if the rest can't tell, the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ROE of their respective era's? WWII guys win. Their ROE was kill the enemy and break his shit. This is my point exactly, if the rest can't tell, the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Show me any recent ROE in a combat theater that prevents American forces from locating, closing with, and destroying the enemy. ETA- I have nothing but respect for the WWII guys, but the modern infantry is better trained, better equipped and tough enough to do what needs to be done, despite what everyone thinks of the current generation. Grandpa is going down. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:06:52 PM EDT
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Show me any recent ROE in a combat theater that prevents American forces from locating, closing with, and destroying the enemy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ROE of their respective era's? WWII guys win. Their ROE was kill the enemy and break his shit. This is my point exactly, if the rest can't tell, the question is really about ROE. Modern politically correct ROE is a killer. Show me any recent ROE in a combat theater that prevents American forces from locating, closing with, and destroying the enemy. Can you even find ROEs online? |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:07:51 PM EDT
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You young guys have no ideal how fast you would lose. men where a different generation back then. hard working farm boys , and they lived in a time when parents kicked there asses. no crying about being cold or hungry . WWII guys were hunting for food as teens not playing video games.
300 men company wouldn't survive a day with a 300 men WWII troop with equal amount of weapons no electronics |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:08:07 PM EDT
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Lol the firepower and communications ability from a modern platoon is far greater than a WWII company but a great bit. You have 6 40mm, 6 m249s, 2 m240s, a 60mm mortar raining hell in them while they are jamming their thumbs up trying to reload.
Grampa is fcked |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:10:03 PM EDT
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You young guys have no ideal how fast you would lose. men where a different generation back then. hard working farm boys , and they lived in a time when parents kicked there asses. no crying about being cold or hungry . WWII guys were hunting for food as teens not playing video games. 300 men company wouldn't survive a day with a 300 men WWII troop with equal amount of weapons no electronics The funny thing is I bet you're a real "I support the troops" kind of guy. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Sit in defense till night time. Murder WW2 people. Disappear because you killed your grandpa. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Body armor is going to go a long way. Sit in defense till night time. Murder WW2 people. Disappear because you killed your grandpa.  LOL
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