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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:07:59 PM EDT
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Troll thread
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:08:55 PM EDT
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Troll thread 1st post DOESN'T nail it. I am asking a sincere question |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:09:31 PM EDT
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So you recommend I give up my religion and love of my Savior?
Nope. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:10:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: I was guilty of suspending my logic for decades as a religious person. I've been out of religion for five years and I feel as though the truth (Science and logic) has set me free. Anyone else come to this conclusion after years in religion? Why are we so logical and analytical in every other aspect of our lives? But when it comes to God and religion we suspend all forms of logic and common sense. This is not a bashing thread, I was one of the religious people who believed for years and years, I get it. It is just an interesting phenomenon.  |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:10:39 PM EDT
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So you recommend I give up my religion and love of my Savior? Nope. Absolutely not, if it works for you, good. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:11:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:11:03 PM EDT
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This should be good.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:11:03 PM EDT
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Ask yourself why you lost your faith.
He is still there. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:11:26 PM EDT
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Because Faith.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:13:02 PM EDT
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Why is believing in God illogical? Doesn't intelligent design make sense?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:14:12 PM EDT
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I hear ya op, but a lot of people won't feel my sentiment
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:14:15 PM EDT
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Because I know it is a fact.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:15:12 PM EDT
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You absolutely do not need to suspend your reason or logic for believing in Christ.
If you want more info, go to Reasonable Faith for additional resources and I challenge you to get involved in a discussion in their forums. If logic and reason are your guide, you will be impressed. William Lane Craig has very thought provoking, well reasoned arguments. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:15:48 PM EDT
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Because I know it is a fact. Absolutely impossible. A fact can be objectively proven. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:16:19 PM EDT
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As I matured, my logic brought me to believe.
I see evidence of God all around, ESPECIALLY the more we learn in science. Religion(s) are constructs of men - some more altruistic than others. Even the best go astray at times. But an imperfect organization of men does not discount the presence of or actions of God in the universe. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:16:21 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:16:47 PM EDT
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Evolution cannot be proven.
God cannot be disproven. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:17:08 PM EDT
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Faith is taught at a very early age for most that are brought up "in the church" - whichever church you go to.
If logic and science were taught that early in development - you'd see a similar devotion or guilt if you departed from your early education. I battle back and forth - knowing and doubting - yet understanding that this all didn't just accidentally happen.... did it? Couldn't have. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:17:22 PM EDT
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I was guilty of suspending my logic for decades as a religious person. I've been out of religion for five years and I feel as though the truth (Science and logic) has set me free. Anyone else come to this conclusion after years in religion? Why are we so logical and analytical in every other aspect of our lives? But when it comes to God and religion we suspend all forms of logic and common sense. This is not a bashing thread, I was one of the religious people who believed for years and years, I get it. It is just an interesting phenomenon. There is a difference between being religious and having a relationship with Christ. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:18:33 PM EDT
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Because Faith. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hebrews says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen" People have faith in God. Therefore, God has substance and evidence Things with substance and evidence exist Therefore, God exists. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:18:41 PM EDT
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I asked myself the same thing (actually - a few friends that I was proselytizing to asked it for me), once upon a time.
It started a slow process of realizing that I wasn't being internally consistent. I demanded testable and potentially falsifiable evidence in every solitary aspect of my life that mattered...except one. "Faith and my religion are different", I'd say, Over time, little by little, I just sort of stopped believing in God. There wasn't a single eureka moment. When I joined this site in 2004, I still had a faint belief in God. A seriously bored individual with no life could skim over my old posts, and watch the transition. Anyway, I've written the equivalent of a novel over the years, explaining why I don't believe in God, and otherwise discussing non-belief in hundreds of threads. To be perfectly honest, I've said more than enough, and I'm kind of bored with the subject at this point. I'm perfectly content to just be left alone with my non-belief, and you know what? The vast majority (online or offline) are perfectly content to just leave me be. I'm happy with that. These days, I really only care to answer sincere questions. I've lost any and all motivation to convince believers that I'm right. Seriously. If they want to know where I'm coming from (and why) because they're curious, then fine. I'll indulge them. But I'm no longer interested in talking people out of their faith. I'm not interested in talking liberals out of their political ideology anymore, either. Same deal. If they want to know why my politics are the way they are, I'm happy to oblige in telling them. But beyond that...whatever. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:18:56 PM EDT
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Troll thread First post DOES nail it. SECOND post continues to try keeping troll thread alive. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:19:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely impossible. A fact can be objectively proven. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because I know it is a fact. Absolutely impossible. A fact can be objectively proven. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:19:28 PM EDT
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1st post DOESN'T nail it. I am asking a sincere question Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Troll thread 1st post DOESN'T nail it. I am asking a sincere question Nope it does nail it. you are being the typical sanctimonious anti theist troll troll thread |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:20:09 PM EDT
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We're not that logical and analytical in other aspects of our lives either... I'll just leave it at that
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:20:34 PM EDT
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Scientology thread?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:21:43 PM EDT
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As I matured, my logic brought me to believe. I see evidence of God all around, ESPECIALLY the more we learn in science. Religion(s) are constructs of men - some more altruistic than others. Even the best go astray at times. But an imperfect organization of men does not discount the presence of or actions of God in the universe. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:22:38 PM EDT
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Hebrews says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen" People have faith in God. Therefore, God has substance and evidence Things with substance and evidence exist Therefore, God exists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because Faith. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hebrews says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen" People have faith in God. Therefore, God has substance and evidence Things with substance and evidence exist Therefore, God exists. Circular logic. Fail. You cannot quote the Bible to prove the Bible. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:22:56 PM EDT
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If you're trying to explain God and put Him in a analytical box you'll fail miserably. It's possible to have a personal relationship with Him through His Son who walked the walk to show us the Father but ultimately it comes down to this one word. TRUST which leads to another word FAITH. Religion fails miserably but a relationship on a very personal intimate way is what is needed and possible. Sorry to hear you walked away but I did to and came back around again. He is a God of second chances.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:23:29 PM EDT
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We're not that logical and analytical in other aspects of our lives either... I'll just leave it at that Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Also true. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:24:22 PM EDT
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Indoctrination from birth. It's a tried and true methodology, perfected over millenia.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:24:28 PM EDT
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As I matured, my logic brought me to believe. I see evidence of God all around, ESPECIALLY the more we learn in science. Religion(s) are constructs of men - some more altruistic than others. Even the best go astray at times. But an imperfect organization of men does not discount the presence of or actions of God in the universe. People assume anything they can't readily explain must be caused by another conscious being. Universe doesnt give a "why" or "how" answer = a conscious being did it. Same thing that makes humans afraid of a spooky sound when its dark and they can't see what caused it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:25:47 PM EDT
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Troll thread Why do atheists take it so personal? Why do atheists interject their bullshit on faithful without a prompt? Atheists are no better than the radical gay marriage crowd, the pro abortion crowd, etc. They have to start a fight where there is none to justify the hole in their explanations for everything? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:26:13 PM EDT
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Circular logic. Fail. You cannot quote the Bible to prove the Bible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because Faith. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hebrews says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen" People have faith in God. Therefore, God has substance and evidence Things with substance and evidence exist Therefore, God exists. Circular logic. Fail. You cannot quote the Bible to prove the Bible. Wrong. 2 TImothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:26:36 PM EDT
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Why do atheists take it so personal? Why do atheists interject their bullshit on faithful without a prompt? Atheists are no better than the radical gay marriage crowd, the pro abortion crowd, etc. They have to start a fight where there is none to justify the hole in their explanations for everything? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Troll thread Why do atheists take it so personal? Why do atheists interject their bullshit on faithful without a prompt? Atheists are no better than the radical gay marriage crowd, the pro abortion crowd, etc. They have to start a fight where there is none to justify the hole in their explanations for everything? Are you saying we should be forbidden to speak of such things? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:26:45 PM EDT
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I was guilty of suspending my logic for decades as a religious person. I've been out of religion for five years and I feel as though the truth (Science and logic) has set me free. Anyone else come to this conclusion after years in religion? Why are we so logical and analytical in every other aspect of our lives? But when it comes to God and religion we suspend all forms of logic and common sense. This is not a bashing thread, I was one of the religious people who believed for years and years, I get it. It is just an interesting phenomenon. Believing in God does not equal believing in religion, they are different philosophies which exist independently. Almost every argument I read against God, is actually an argument against religion. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:27:32 PM EDT
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You're making a pretty big assumption. It's not the suspension of logic, it's the lack of critical thinking and self evaluation that keeps people religious. They start out religious, for the most part, because they were told to and that leads to a very complicated mess to sort though. No one is going to do that mental exercise on a forum.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:28:05 PM EDT
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Wrong. 2 TImothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because Faith. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hebrews says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen" People have faith in God. Therefore, God has substance and evidence Things with substance and evidence exist Therefore, God exists. Circular logic. Fail. You cannot quote the Bible to prove the Bible. Wrong. 2 TImothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, LOL, you did it again, you used a scripture to prove another Scripture! |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:29:32 PM EDT
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You shot your troll load too soon, OP.
It's not Sunday nor is it a religious holiday. Come back in a few days and bring all your creepy baby doll heads with the eyes cut out. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to hear you've lost your faith. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was guilty of suspending my logic for decades as a religious person. I've been out of religion for five years and I feel as though the truth (Science and logic) has set me free. Anyone else come to this conclusion after years in religion? Why are we so logical and analytical in every other aspect of our lives? But when it comes to God and religion we suspend all forms of logic and common sense. This is not a bashing thread, I was one of the religious people who believed for years and years, I get it. It is just an interesting phenomenon. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:30:39 PM EDT
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The answer is "We don't"
There is more than sufficient evidence to believe in God as He is portrayed in the Bible. It takes far more faith than I have to disbelieve. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:30:40 PM EDT
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Friday religion thread
I find comfort and have experienced results thru prayer. Don't know why don't care. Something somewhere has helped me from within. Jesus interests me. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:31:00 PM EDT
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There are things in science that defie logic and reason. Plenty.
We just accept gravity and magnetism. We know they work, we know how they work but we don't understand the mechanism or why they work. Sound familiar? What about Schrödinger's cat? How can it be alive and dead at the same time? We accept that it is don't we? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:35:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:36:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are things in science that defy logic and reason. Plenty. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:39:20 PM EDT
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FWIW
I work with many research scientists. Many of whom have multiple PHDs. Some of them they don't believe in evolution. The complexities of the even the simplest creatures are amazing. YMMV |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:41:25 PM EDT
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Would you like to toss a few out there? Just curious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are things in science that defy logic and reason. Plenty. We just accept gravity and magnetism. We know they work, we know how they work but we don't understand the mechanism or why they work. Sound familiar? What about Schrödinger's cat? How can it be alive and dead at the same time? We accept that it is don't we? What about "spooky action at a distance" as Einstein called it. That the act of interfering with a particle in one place, can affect the state of a particle light years away from it. Instantaneously. We know this is true, we don't know how or why though. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:43:02 PM EDT
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We just accept gravity and magnetism. We know they work, we know how they work but we don't understand the mechanism or why they work. Sound familiar? What about Schrödinger's cat? How can it be alive and dead at the same time? We accept that it is don't we? What about "spooky action at a distance" as Einstein called it. That the act of interfering with a particle in one place, can affect the state of a particle light years away from it. Instantaneously. We know this is true, we don't know how or why though. Inaccuracies aside, science doesn't just accept those things. People spend lifetimes trying to understand and test theories regarding those underlying mechanisms. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:43:36 PM EDT
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I was guilty of suspending my logic for decades as a religious person. I've been out of religion for five years and I feel as though the truth (Science and logic) has set me free. Anyone else come to this conclusion after years in religion? Why are we so logical and analytical in every other aspect of our lives? But when it comes to God and religion we suspend all forms of logic and common sense. This is not a bashing thread, I was one of the religious people who believed for years and years, I get it. It is just an interesting phenomenon. Suspending reason and believing in God are not mutually exclusive. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:44:06 PM EDT
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Troll thread |
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