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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:45:54 PM EDT
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Just last week at the range I saw someone shooting one, first time I have ever seen that. It seems like a good round with a flat trajectory, why hasn't it become more mainstream? Always wanted to get a barrel and mess with it a bit... |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:46:39 PM EDT
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Expensive ammo.
I reload for it so I love to shoot it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:46:46 PM EDT
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I like it in my P226.
I was thinking of picking up another pistol in it and would love a pdw in it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:47:12 PM EDT
[#4]
nice little cartridge, but a solution in search of a problem.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:47:33 PM EDT
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Expensive ammo. I reload for it so I love to shoot it. Ammo prices seem comparable to .45, around $20/50 online. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:48:08 PM EDT
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Because it's a terrible solution looking for a problem.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:48:09 PM EDT
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Most folks don't consider trajectory in a handgun.
I think people associate straight cases with reliability in handguns. Maybe that's it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:48:16 PM EDT
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I like odd calibers.
I think I will get one to handload with, and I have a P250 so it is a drop in deal. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:49:21 PM EDT
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I liked it, owned several guns that shot it, but it's not a game changing round. Less capacity, not an amazing performer in comparison to modern +p 9mm, so there ya go. Same with .40.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:49:22 PM EDT
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Another benefit is you only need a barel to convert a .40 to a .357 sig...kinda like .300blk and .223.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:49:46 PM EDT
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Ammo prices seem comparable to .45, around $20/50 online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Expensive ammo. I reload for it so I love to shoot it. Ammo prices seem comparable to .45, around $20/50 online. I reload 45 too. Waaaayyyy cheaper |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:54:30 PM EDT
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Partly because when it was introduced, cheap surplus ammo was readily available in 9mm, so it didn't make a huge impact in civilian sales. I imagine that a lot of departments looked at it, but it's expensive to re-equip a police force, especially if said force had just changed over to .40 a year or two before.
The catalogs are full of cartridges that never made it, or became obsolete, because of market/marketing issues that had nothing to do with the actual capabilities of the ammunition. Likewise, almost every year cartridges are introduced that have no real performance advantages over others that have been around for decades. But there's always something to make them "better' than what they replace. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:00:01 PM EDT
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It really doesn't do anything, terminally, that 9mm ( or .40 or .45) doesn't do. Maybe marginally better penetration of some barriers, but the difference is insignificant. It's a .40 capacity 9mm, basically, with increased blast, increased wear, and increased recoil vs a 9mm. Theoretically, it should be more reliable in feeding than a straight walled cartridge... .355" bullet into a .40 hole an all.
IIRC it's also more vulnerable to bullet setback, because the neck is so short. It uses .355" bullets, but most of those are designed with 9x19 feeding geometries and velocities in mind. Reloading the cases really isn't as simple as straight walled cartridges, and usually requires case lube, vs a carbide die and no lube for most other pistol cartridges. Few major agencies bought into the idea... ammo has never been truly plentiful. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:02:28 PM EDT
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It was overshadowed by the stunning success of the .41 Action Express cartridge.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:03:26 PM EDT
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Retarded offspring of 10mm.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:05:26 PM EDT
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The main engineering spec for the then new .357 Sig was to create a hot medium bore, to bring 9mm out of the Girl Caliber genera.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:05:39 PM EDT
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Nothing really wrong with it, but it does nothing other calibers won't do as well and cheaper.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Because they never made a carbine chambered for it
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:07:15 PM EDT
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Utterly fantastic barrier penetration compared to .40S&W, slides through windshield glass like it isnt even there.
Cost is high though and recoil is harsher than .40S&W so not that many departments adopted it. For civilian use its quite finicky to reload (compared to straight walled cases) so its not popular. This is fine by me though as I shoot a ton of it and everyone leaves the brass. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:07:35 PM EDT
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Because they never made a carbine chambered for it I'd like to see the PS90 in other calibers. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing really wrong with it, but it does nothing other calibers won't do as well and cheaper. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7297 Windshield glass/law enforcement uses it is amazing. No noticeable deflection with glass at all using bonded hollowpoints. We did a whole investigation into it. Cost is $$$$ though. Comparatively, 9mm, 40 and 45 all exhibits significant issues with toughened glass. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:09:35 PM EDT
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9 mm performance, .40 magazine capacity. What's not to like?
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:11:19 PM EDT
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Nothing really wrong with it, but it does nothing other calibers won't do as well and cheaper. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7297 I do love the "sample size of one" chart... So statistically significant. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:11:27 PM EDT
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Because it is Sig.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:12:54 PM EDT
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Would love one in carbine form.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:13:46 PM EDT
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Just last week at the range I saw someone shooting one, first time I have ever seen that. It seems like a good round with a flat trajectory, why hasn't it become more mainstream? Not sure trajectory is that important at handgun distances. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:15:22 PM EDT
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Had one, hated it. Of course, it was in a Smith Sigma series, so..........
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:15:25 PM EDT
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My Action Works custom Hi-Power has .40 and .357 SIG barrels
It shoots like a frickin' laser. 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:16:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Expensive, hard to find ammo.
Didn't really do anything better than 9mm that was enough to justify the difficulty/expense of the ammo. Reduced capacity vs. 9mm. There is no magic bullet when it comes to handguns. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:18:37 PM EDT
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My Action Works custom Hi-Power has .40 and .357 SIG barrels <a href="http://s802.photobucket.com/user/ndandosu/media/Hipower/BHP1_zps30702992.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/ndandosu/Hipower/BHP1_zps30702992.jpg</a> It shoots like a frickin' laser. Ugh, so hot 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:19:14 PM EDT
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Ugh, so hot Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My Action Works custom Hi-Power has .40 and .357 SIG barrels <a href="http://s802.photobucket.com/user/ndandosu/media/Hipower/BHP1_zps30702992.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/ndandosu/Hipower/BHP1_zps30702992.jpg</a> It shoots like a frickin' laser. Ugh, so hot I got wood. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:19:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Always wanted to play with it, might have to get a barrel for it.
I have 6 boxes of 357 ammo I was given, might be worth it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:21:43 PM EDT
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Would love one in carbine form. Ditto. What kind of velocity increase would you get out of a 16" barrel? I'd imagine it would be a nice, easily controllable home defense gun. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:23:07 PM EDT
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Ditto. What kind of velocity increase would you get out of a 16" barrel? I'd imagine it would be a nice, easily controllable home defense gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love one in carbine form. Ditto. What kind of velocity increase would you get out of a 16" barrel? I'd imagine it would be a nice, easily controllable home defense gun. I bet it wouldn't be hard to find parts to build a .357 SIG AR. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:26:39 PM EDT
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Cost is high though and recoil is harsher than .40S&W so not that many departments adopted it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Cost is high though and recoil is harsher than .40S&W so not that many departments adopted it. This plus the wear and tear on guns added up. Only Glocks we really saw the same issues with and needing parts were 357 ones. We dumped the round as a option a while back. Quoted:
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Just last week at the range I saw someone shooting one, first time I have ever seen that. It seems like a good round with a flat trajectory, why hasn't it become more mainstream? Not sure trajectory is that important at handgun distances. Sorta true for us. The flatter trajectory was helpful at distances, but it was usually negated by the recoil impulse ripping the gun out of smaller hands. In instructor school we shot out to 200-250 yards. Shooting 45 was comical at hoe high you had to aim, when 357 was barely above the target. It was pretty crazy seeing the difference. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:26:48 PM EDT
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I carry a .357sig - a Glock 31.
My rationale is basically that the gun was cheaper, and ammo was available for it during the last major panic when I couldn't find 9mm, .40, or .45 anywhere. I have a .40 barrel for it now that I use for training. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Windshield glass/law enforcement uses it is amazing. No noticeable deflection with glass at all using bonded hollowpoints. We did a whole investigation into it. Cost is $$$$ though. Comparatively, 9mm, 40 and 45 all exhibits significant issues with toughened glass. This is also a benefit. I figure that the most likely place I'd ever have to use it is in a parking lot somewhere. Being able to hit a 45º windshield and hit someone on the other side with 2-3" of deflection is a big deal to me. Likewise, being able to more consistently punch through car doors and still have enough energy to matter is important. I carry Underwood ammo in mine - 125gr Hornady XTP @ 1450fps. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:28:50 PM EDT
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Last year NC Highway Patrol adopted P226s in .357 SIG.
https://www.sigsauer.com/AboutUs/FancyBoxNews.aspx?newsid=114 |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:30:20 PM EDT
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Ammo is easy to find online, and costs the same as .45 ACP. Shoots very flat (shooting long range with a handgun is fun sometimes). Heck, muzzle blast and recoil can be fun too. 9mm +p+ is still slower than standard .357 Sig. Conversion barrels are cheap if you already have a .40.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:30:26 PM EDT
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9 mm performance, .40 magazine capacity. What's not to like? .357sig is ~40% faster than 9mm. Capacity is a non-starter for me. I carry 15+1, plus a spare mag. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:30:38 PM EDT
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Incorrect. Windshield glass/law enforcement uses it is amazing. No noticeable deflection with glass at all using bonded hollowpoints. We did a whole investigation into it. Cost is $$$$ though. Comparatively, 9mm, 40 and 45 all exhibits significant issues with toughened glass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nothing really wrong with it, but it does nothing other calibers won't do as well and cheaper. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7297 Windshield glass/law enforcement uses it is amazing. No noticeable deflection with glass at all using bonded hollowpoints. We did a whole investigation into it. Cost is $$$$ though. Comparatively, 9mm, 40 and 45 all exhibits significant issues with toughened glass. Very true and a big factor for Highway Patrol, but let the group think continue parroting that it doesn't offer anything over 9mm. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:30:51 PM EDT
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Another benefit is you only need a barel to convert a .40 to a .357 sig...kinda like .300blk and .223. Then you have two terrible calibers. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:31:23 PM EDT
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nice little cartridge, but a solution in search of a problem. this^^^^ |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:31:37 PM EDT
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I loved my P229 in .357 Sig
Massive pain in the ass for me to get ammo for it at the time and it was always spendy. That BANG tho! Maybe it was just me, but that was a loud motherfucker
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:31:57 PM EDT
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Another benefit is you only need a barel to convert a .40 to a .357 sig...kinda like .300blk and .223. So you mean i can shoot 2 rounds that are expensive, shouldn't exist, and serve no practical use? Where do i sign up? |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:32:39 PM EDT
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It's a gimmick, like .40 cal.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:34:10 PM EDT
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Nothing really wrong with it, but it does nothing other calibers won't do as well and cheaper. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7297 Interesting. The wound channel is twice as large as 9mm. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a gimmick, like .40 cal. Hey, you gotta try, you never know. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:35:19 PM EDT
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Expensive
Higher recoil than 9mm Lower capacity than 9mm Hard to find ammo No size benefits over 9mm etc. It takes the worst aspects of 9 and 40 and combines them into one neat little package to avoid. Nobody cares about trajectory either. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:35:32 PM EDT
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Then you have two terrible calibers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another benefit is you only need a barel to convert a .40 to a .357 sig...kinda like .300blk and .223. Then you have two terrible calibers. Besides the cost of ammo, I don't see how they are terrible rounds. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:36:19 PM EDT
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It's a gimmick, like .40 cal. I really enjoy it and will continue shooting a couple thousand a year. I also enjoy .45 and I just bought a 9mm. Some people enjoy variety more than others. |
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