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Posted: 5/22/2015 9:59:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:00:09 AM EDT
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I don't think this will end well for the sheriffs office.
This is a real tear jerker and the jury will side with the plaintiffs in the case. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:02:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:03:35 AM EDT
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I don't think this will end well for the sheriffs office. This is a real tear jerker and the jury will side with the plaintiffs in the case. It'll work out fine for the sheriff's office. The taxpayers not so much. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:03:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:05:47 AM EDT
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I would like to add they later arrested the guy they were looking for at another address....by knocking on the door.
I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the office and puts all of those fine, upstanding leos out of work. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:06:43 AM EDT
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The real question is... Does the neighborhood feel safer now?
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:08:09 AM EDT
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I blame the parents.
Good parents train their children for this type of thing. Not enough drilling. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:11:15 AM EDT
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I would like to add they later arrested the guy they were looking for at another address....by knocking on the door. I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the office and puts all of those fine, upstanding leos out of work. That would be best possible outcome..buuuuut...What will really happen is they will hide behind qualified immunity while passing the bill for their action on to the taxpayer. Wash, rinse, repeat ad nauseum. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:12:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:12:45 AM EDT
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I would like to add they later arrested the guy they were looking for at another address....by knocking on the door. I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the office and puts all of those fine, upstanding leos out of work. It appears you are sadly unaware of how qualified immunity works. That said, the judge who issued the warrant should be sued too, while he's just as immune his opponent in the next election can use it against him. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:13:04 AM EDT
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That website....
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:13:28 AM EDT
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It appears you are sadly unaware of how qualified immunity works. That said, the judge who issued the warrant should be sued too, while he's just as immune his opponent in the next election can use it against him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to add they later arrested the guy they were looking for at another address....by knocking on the door. I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the office and puts all of those fine, upstanding leos out of work. It appears you are sadly unaware of how qualified immunity works. That said, the judge who issued the warrant should be sued too, while he's just as immune his opponent in the next election can use it against him. If they elect judges. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:13:31 AM EDT
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If any if them had a single bit of honor they would take resposibility for their actions. Qualified immunity needs to be greatly modified from it's current blanket form.
Edited to add: I am well aware of how QI works and what a tragedy it is for the citizens of this country. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:14:03 AM EDT
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WTF?!?!
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:15:03 AM EDT
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/ The act of sleeping in a room about to be breached by a SWAT team constituted "criminal” conduct on the part of the infant. At the very least, the infant was fully liable for the nearly fatal injuries inflicted on him when Habersham County Sheriff’s Deputy Charles Long blindly heaved a flash-bang grenade – a "destructive device,” as described by the ATF, that when detonated burns at 2,000-3,500 degrees Fahrenheit – into the crib. Merely by being in that room, Bou-Bou had assumed the risk of coming under attack by a SWAT team. By impeding the trajectory of that grenade, rather than fleeing from his crib, Bou-Bou failed to "avoid the consequences” of that attack. In any case, Bou-Bou, along with his parents and his siblings, are fully and exclusively to blame for the injuries that nearly killed the child and left the family with more than one million dollars in medical bills. The SWAT team that invaded the home in Cornelia, Georgia on the basis of a bogus anonymous tip that a $50 drug transaction had occurred there is legally blameless. That Can't Be Real ... Can it? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:16:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:17:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:17:26 AM EDT
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It'll work out fine for the sheriff's office. The taxpayers not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think this will end well for the sheriffs office. This is a real tear jerker and the jury will side with the plaintiffs in the case. It'll work out fine for the sheriff's office. The taxpayers not so much. X2 |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:17:42 AM EDT
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No way that's real.
There have been some stupid raids, sure. But this can't be real.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:18:21 AM EDT
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/ The act of sleeping in a room about to be breached by a SWAT team constituted "criminal” conduct on the part of the infant. At the very least, the infant was fully liable for the nearly fatal injuries inflicted on him when Habersham County Sheriff’s Deputy Charles Long blindly heaved a flash-bang grenade – a "destructive device,” as described by the ATF, that when detonated burns at 2,000-3,500 degrees Fahrenheit – into the crib. Merely by being in that room, Bou-Bou had assumed the risk of coming under attack by a SWAT team. By impeding the trajectory of that grenade, rather than fleeing from his crib, Bou-Bou failed to "avoid the consequences” of that attack. In any case, Bou-Bou, along with his parents and his siblings, are fully and exclusively to blame for the injuries that nearly killed the child and left the family with more than one million dollars in medical bills. The SWAT team that invaded the home in Cornelia, Georgia on the basis of a bogus anonymous tip that a $50 drug transaction had occurred there is legally blameless. LOL.. And ...well P.D.'s probably don't wonder why they have an image problem... 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:19:11 AM EDT
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LOL.. And ...well P.D.'s probably don't wonder why they have an image problem...
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/ The act of sleeping in a room about to be breached by a SWAT team constituted "criminal” conduct on the part of the infant. At the very least, the infant was fully liable for the nearly fatal injuries inflicted on him when Habersham County Sheriff’s Deputy Charles Long blindly heaved a flash-bang grenade – a "destructive device,” as described by the ATF, that when detonated burns at 2,000-3,500 degrees Fahrenheit – into the crib. Merely by being in that room, Bou-Bou had assumed the risk of coming under attack by a SWAT team. By impeding the trajectory of that grenade, rather than fleeing from his crib, Bou-Bou failed to "avoid the consequences” of that attack. In any case, Bou-Bou, along with his parents and his siblings, are fully and exclusively to blame for the injuries that nearly killed the child and left the family with more than one million dollars in medical bills. The SWAT team that invaded the home in Cornelia, Georgia on the basis of a bogus anonymous tip that a $50 drug transaction had occurred there is legally blameless. LOL.. And ...well P.D.'s probably don't wonder why they have an image problem...
They don't. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:21:13 AM EDT
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war on drugs strikes again.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:21:48 AM EDT
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No way that's real. There have been some stupid raids, sure. But this can't be real. but it is
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:22:24 AM EDT
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An honest mistake made in the moral war against things we dont like. Dopers shouldnt keep babies in their drug lairs. The important thing is that the suspect they were looking for was eventually captured even if it was at another location, and that all the officers returned to their families safely.
A few bunt up kids wont stop the drug crusades. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:26:05 AM EDT
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Well they probably did something wrong at some time that justifies this. Besides, it's not like the government would ever do this to gun owners.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:26:18 AM EDT
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So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:27:06 AM EDT
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We keep asking ourselves, 'how did this happen?'," Terrell said. "No one can answer that - you can't answer that. You try and do everything right. Bad things can happen. That's just the world we live in. Bad things happen to good people. I can answer how. They blindly threw a dangerous explosive device into a room and didn't care where it landed. That's good enough for negligence in my book. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:28:59 AM EDT
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Actual reply - before everyone gets all distracted by a blogger link, etc....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/265760507/Flash-Bang-Reply Not quite sure where exactly the headline is coming from, other than perhaps the ordered defenses on pages 33-35. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:29:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think this will end well for the sheriffs office. This is a real tear jerker and the jury will side with the plaintiffs in the case. Maybe the "parent's" shouldn't have been living in a drug house? Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the kid but damn... |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:31:29 AM EDT
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The subject of the warrant, Wanis Thonetheva, was not at the residence when the stormtroopers arrived. He was arrested on narcotics charges several hours later, in broad daylight and in unremarkable fashion, “at his actual place of residence, without any resistance and without the use of a flashbang stun grenade,” the lawsuit recalls. 
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:33:14 AM EDT
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I've seen this baby before. He's quite an actor and he's fast!
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:33:23 AM EDT
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No way that's real. There have been some stupid raids, sure. But this can't be real. but it is You do realize there is nothing in the article you quoted that supports the statements made in OP. "We keep asking ourselves, 'how did this happen?'," Terrell said. "No one can answer that - you can't answer that. You try and do everything right. Bad things can happen. That's just the world we live in. Bad things happen to good people. <br /> <br /> "The baby didn't deserve this," Terrell said. "The family didn't deserve this - this family was displaced from another home down here and apparently just moved in with her. "It's an accident that we would have avoided if we'd just had any inclination that there had a been a child in that house," Terrell said. "We had no idea."<br /> <br /> Terrell said officers learned later the children were kept hidden and out of sight in the home.<br /> <br /> "Even talking with the mother afterward, they knew that there was some things going on in the house and they tried to keep the children separated from and hid from the occupants of the house because they knew that they were - from what she told the agents, they knew they were selling drugs, so they tried to keep the children separated from that," Terrell said "It's heart-wrenching," Terrell said. "Our prayers and our thoughts go out to the family. Yesterday was a grieving day - it was a grieving day for all of us. We didn't do a press release on it yesterday, because I just don't know that I could have done a press release on it yesterday. I couldn't talk about the scenario without crying - just grieving for that child and grieving for that family." |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:37:45 AM EDT
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So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual. I'd welcome you to GD but I think I've seen you around here a time or two. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:38:38 AM EDT
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Also in Georgia (although not Habersham county)
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:43:59 AM EDT
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So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual. Here are actual quotes from the SO. "Based on the informant information, prior arrests, and weapons charge, they did everything given the information they had," Terrell said. "Nobody in their right mind would ever dream of anything like this." "We would have picked a different door to go in the house, picked a different scenario on how we approach the residence," And this, "The Phonesavanh family is without insurance and have set up a fund to pay for medical expenses. According to Terrell, the sheriff's department has already contacted the hospital social worker to request that all hospital bills be forwarded to the county." It was a terrible accident and should have never went down the way it did and I can't imagine how the officers involved feel. But the OPs article is BS. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:44:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual.  |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:47:41 AM EDT
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Baby failed to flee the crib?
I swear some of these guys must have to fail an IQ yes before being hired. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:48:40 AM EDT
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The article is pretty much BS, and isn't supported by the defendants' statements. Basically the article makes the leap from the cops saying "It isn't our fault" to "The dumbass kid should have ducked!".
That being said, it certainly does look like the cops involved just fucked up on a couple of different levels. I understand the need to back your officers, but sometimes you just have to face the facts, suck it up, and admit that your guys fucked up and a kid got hurt. Can you imagine the chaos that would have resulted from this kid being from a... ahem... different ethnic background? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:48:47 AM EDT
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Baby failed to flee the crib? I swear some of these guys must have to fail an IQ yes before being hired. It seems that way with critical thinking skills as well. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:50:49 AM EDT
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Here are actual quotes from the SO. "Based on the informant information, prior arrests, and weapons charge, they did everything given the information they had," Terrell said. "Nobody in their right mind would ever dream of anything like this." "We would have picked a different door to go in the house, picked a different scenario on how we approach the residence," And this, "The Phonesavanh family is without insurance and have set up a fund to pay for medical expenses. According to Terrell, the sheriff's department has already contacted the hospital social worker to request that all hospital bills be forwarded to the county." It was a terrible accident and should have never went down the way it did and I can't imagine how the officers involved feel. But the OPs article is BS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual. Here are actual quotes from the SO. "Based on the informant information, prior arrests, and weapons charge, they did everything given the information they had," Terrell said. "Nobody in their right mind would ever dream of anything like this." "We would have picked a different door to go in the house, picked a different scenario on how we approach the residence," And this, "The Phonesavanh family is without insurance and have set up a fund to pay for medical expenses. According to Terrell, the sheriff's department has already contacted the hospital social worker to request that all hospital bills be forwarded to the county." It was a terrible accident and should have never went down the way it did and I can't imagine how the officers involved feel. But the OPs article is BS. I know you want him to be the fine upstanding law enforcement official but he soon renigged on his agreement to pay for medical treatment. It just sounded good to tell the media that. Accountability is for suckers. link here |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:51:55 AM EDT
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L I know you want him to be the fine upstanding law enforcement official but he soon renigged on his agreement to pay for medical treatment. It just sounded good to tell the media that. Accountability is for suckers. link here Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual. Here are actual quotes from the SO. "Based on the informant information, prior arrests, and weapons charge, they did everything given the information they had," Terrell said. "Nobody in their right mind would ever dream of anything like this." "We would have picked a different door to go in the house, picked a different scenario on how we approach the residence," And this, "The Phonesavanh family is without insurance and have set up a fund to pay for medical expenses. According to Terrell, the sheriff's department has already contacted the hospital social worker to request that all hospital bills be forwarded to the county." It was a terrible accident and should have never went down the way it did and I can't imagine how the officers involved feel. But the OPs article is BS. I know you want him to be the fine upstanding law enforcement official but he soon renigged on his agreement to pay for medical treatment. It just sounded good to tell the media that. Accountability is for suckers. link here Did you even read your article? |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:54:57 AM EDT
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So Bou-Bou didn't take evasive actions?
Those fuckers are retarded. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:55:39 AM EDT
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Yes, the county is refusing to pay. The county has determined it will be illegal for them to pay, really convienient. I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the county.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:56:10 AM EDT
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The sheriff was happy as could be about it
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:56:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It appears you are sadly unaware of how qualified immunity works. That said, the judge who issued the warrant should be sued too, while he's just as immune his opponent in the next election can use it against him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would like to add they later arrested the guy they were looking for at another address....by knocking on the door. I hope the lawsuit bankrupts the office and puts all of those fine, upstanding leos out of work. It appears you are sadly unaware of how qualified immunity works. That said, the judge who issued the warrant should be sued too, while he's just as immune his opponent in the next election can use it against him. How's does this relate to the Baltimore cops? OP Gotta be a parody ... |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:56:44 AM EDT
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...and I can't imagine how the officers involved feel... 
Ya, maybe get them grief councilors. FFS. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:57:30 AM EDT
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Actual reply - before everyone gets all distracted by a blogger link, etc.... http://www.scribd.com/doc/265760507/Flash-Bang-Reply Not quite sure where exactly the headline is coming from, other than perhaps the ordered defenses on pages 33-35. You also need the complaint since they respond on a paragraph-by-paragraph basis. http://www.scribd.com/doc/265758801/Bou-Bou-Complaint They deny almost everything including that a SWAT officer was killed in 2011 by his own flashbang.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:57:57 AM EDT
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So one bloggers opinion of another boggers opinion with no direct quotes is taken as factual. Of course. This is GD. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:00:25 AM EDT
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Baby failed to flee the crib? I swear some of these guys must have to fail an IQ yes before being hired. Well its quite obvious there's no IQ Test for posting here. Nobody from that LEA ever said that. |
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