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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:58:01 AM EDT
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OP, pittsburgh, and post gazette are all racist
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:59:24 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:02:24 AM EDT
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That's what happened in good ole Chiraq. Daley torn down chunks of the projects and we call it "sharing the wealth" the sh*t moved its way down the nearest "free" expressways into the burbs- good luck to the surrounding burbs over there
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:03:22 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. Winner |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:05:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:05:33 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. The Peter Principle in action yet again. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:06:02 AM EDT
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That's what happened in good ole Chiraq. Daley torn down chunks of the projects and we call it "sharing the wealth" the sh*t moved its way down the nearest "free" expressways into the burbs- good luck to the surrounding burbs over there Same thing happened in Baltimore. They demolished the high-rise projects and gave the residents bus tickets to the suburbs. 
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:06:49 AM EDT
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SPNI. I rather they left those folks where they were.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:10:12 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. Hmmmm, you may be on to something here. "Senator, are you saying that these death squads were funded with CDBG's?" "We prefer the term Crime Prevention Team, but yes." |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:11:14 AM EDT
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One of the acquisitions, Mellon’s Orchard Apartments, was the source of 53 arrests in 2008. In 2012, there were 13. Lol. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:12:58 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. 
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:13:19 AM EDT
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SPNI. I rather they left those folks where they were. Better keep the shit in a jar rather than fling it all around so to speak. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:13:39 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:13:43 AM EDT
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6 months from now: Pittsburgh area boroughs announce huge upswing in gang violence. "We don't know what is causing this."
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:14:38 AM EDT
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Just wait until the move them to other areas in the state..
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:14:40 AM EDT
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As it happens, the nonprofit had acquired 3 percent of the neighborhood’s residential rental units, unwittingly hitting the percentage identified in hot-spot theory, which says that 3 percent of locations are responsible for 50 percent of police calls, said Numeritics’ research scientist Victoria Hill, a Carnegie Mellon University graduate Numeritics’ lead economist Tayo Fabusuyi, who also studied at CMU, said a 49 percent drop in crime between 2008 and 2012 within the streets covered by the red blotch was in direct correlation to ELDI’s acquisitions. "What was really novel was the use of real estate to address crime,” http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/diana-nelson-jones/2015/03/29/How-did-Pittsburgh-East-Liberty-become-safer-Buying-out-homes-that-housed-criminals/stories/201503220034 Ok, but isn't this like squeezing a balloon? The criminals didn't stop being criminals, they just moved somewhere else to be criminals. Not arguing that this can't reduce a local hotspot of crime but all it is doing is making the criminals someone else's problem. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:14:49 AM EDT
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6 months from now: Pittsburgh area boroughs announce huge upswing in gang violence. "We don't know what is causing this." time then to crank up the federal money mill. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:14:56 AM EDT
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Same thing happened in Baltimore. They demolished the high-rise projects and gave the residents bus tickets to the suburbs.
Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what happened in good ole Chiraq. Daley torn down chunks of the projects and we call it "sharing the wealth" the sh*t moved its way down the nearest "free" expressways into the burbs- good luck to the surrounding burbs over there Same thing happened in Baltimore. They demolished the high-rise projects and gave the residents bus tickets to the suburbs.
Kharn And DC. A new stadium here, a shitload of gentrifying hipsters there, and next thing you know all the crime is in PG county. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:18:32 AM EDT
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Turn Rte 8 and 376 into wall, fences, and guard towers.
Blow bridges West of walled in section. Patrol rivers with gunboats. Drop food in once a week. Make movie called Escape from Pittsburgh. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:18:57 AM EDT
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Take the bottom one percent of the US and give them tickets to lovely South Georgia...Island. Announce a repeat that will occur in five years. Our crime rate and prison population would plummet.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:20:01 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. this, euthanizing 10% of the population would reduce crime by 80% |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:20:17 AM EDT
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Same thing happened in Baltimore. They demolished the high-rise projects and gave the residents bus tickets to the suburbs.
Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what happened in good ole Chiraq. Daley torn down chunks of the projects and we call it "sharing the wealth" the sh*t moved its way down the nearest "free" expressways into the burbs- good luck to the surrounding burbs over there Same thing happened in Baltimore. They demolished the high-rise projects and gave the residents bus tickets to the suburbs.
Kharn The FSA in Baltimore gets $2,500 per month, $30,000 per year, in free rent. The FSA can rent half million dollar houses in upscale neighborhoods and not lift a finger. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:22:18 AM EDT
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Watched a similar thing happen in Somerville, MA. Rent control being eliminated in Cambridge pushed people over to Somerville, they bought homes and made improvements and pushed the scumbags out. I don't know where they went, I guess the towns who had increased crime didn't want to talk about it.
I think if we phase out most of welfare it would have the same effect across the nation. These people would either end up in jail, get killed committing crimes, or have to become productive citizens. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:23:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. Yes, mine and a few others. It is amazing to follow the trail of murders and where they've moved to...Also, the eastern burbs such as Penn Hills, Monroeville, and even Plum Boro have picked up the pace. Another area mentioned in the article, Garfield, was an area where some of the wife's relatives lived. When it was "worse" her aunt moved out and sold her house to a gay couple who was going to redo it. They liked the location since it is close to hipster stuff in Lawrenceville and East Liberty. Her uncle's place was burnt to the ground a few years before because he called the cops on some dealers. East Liberty is now partially hipsterville with Google being present, your usual Whole Foods, and of course Trader Joe's. http://newsinteractive.post-gazette.com/homicide/ - You can change the year to look at some of the shifts... Also: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zK2lIBE51ppY.kP5tgNhP5E-g&msa=0 There's maps going back a few years and you can see a bit of a shift. http://www.city-data.com/forum/pittsburgh/1356855-pittsburgh-crime-map.html |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:23:57 AM EDT
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That's racist.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:28:18 AM EDT
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Watched a similar thing happen in Somerville, MA. Rent control being eliminated in Cambridge pushed people over to Somerville, they bought homes and made improvements and pushed the scumbags out. I don't know where they went, I guess the towns who had increased crime didn't want to talk about it. I think if we phase out most of welfare it would have the same effect across the nation. These people would either end up in jail, get killed committing crimes, or have to become productive citizens. TaDa |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:29:43 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:30:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better keep the shit in a jar rather than fling it all around so to speak. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SPNI. I rather they left those folks where they were. Better keep the shit in a jar rather than fling it all around so to speak. Like this Pittsburgh low income fenced off concentration camp neighborhood |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:36:30 AM EDT
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In 1993, firefighters and utility personnel refused to enter the neighborhood without police protection for fear of assault.
 In 1998, the City of Pittsburgh - over the objections of Northview Heights residents - closed three of the development's five entrances and installed security stations at the remaining two entrances. #Ferallivesmatter  |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:38:22 AM EDT
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NRA proved years ago that if you took the top 100 criminals from each location off the streets, it would quiet down immensely.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:39:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like this Pittsburgh low income fenced off concentration camp neighborhood Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: SPNI. I rather they left those folks where they were. Better keep the shit in a jar rather than fling it all around so to speak. Like this Pittsburgh low income fenced off concentration camp neighborhood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northview_Heights It shows up nicely on the mpas I linked to. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:40:53 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. Exactly. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:40:59 AM EDT
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Displaces?
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:41:45 AM EDT
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time then to crank up the federal money mill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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6 months from now: Pittsburgh area boroughs announce huge upswing in gang violence. "We don't know what is causing this." time then to crank up the federal money mill. We'll need at least a ten year study into this with a budget of $80M a year in order to analyze this properly. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:43:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. This is a very good read on that very subject from Memphis: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/ Basically the criminal class which is highly dependent on .gov housing has been misplaced through efforts of government organizations and private industry. Once misplaced, they don't take long to restart their old ways in the new hood yo. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:44:09 AM EDT
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The big problem with how city planning works today, in all countries, is that we make areas with low value residences OR high value residences.
This means that we get high concentrations of poor people in the same place with little supporting infrastructure and social support etc. A better way of planning is to ensure that the area have both high and low value residences. This reduces segregation as many studies show; segregation is one of the corner pillars in organized crime and gang wars. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:46:39 AM EDT
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They just moved the problem into the suburbs where my family lives and now has had their property values fall and crime rise. Section 8 housing in places that didn't have section 8 25 years ago.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:51:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:51:59 AM EDT
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Once spread out the criminals can be dealt with easier. Sure they start shit where they move but the new area is less tolerant and the police have an easier time dealing with a few shit heads rather than a whole neighborhood. We got some shit when Chicago flushed and it did cause some problems, but they just can't get away with the crap like they could in their old neighborhood and quickly end up where they really belong.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:53:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. https://33.media.tumblr.com/190d149261403a5ca411fcd27c6dad00/tumblr_nh4r75KZSi1tksoy2o1_400.gif |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:54:50 AM EDT
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The big problem with how city planning works today, in all countries, is that we make areas with low value residences OR high value residences. This means that we get high concentrations of poor people in the same place with little supporting infrastructure and social support etc. A better way of planning is to ensure that the area have both high and low value residences. This reduces segregation as many studies show; segregation is one of the corner pillars in organized crime and gang wars. Nice theory, but in practice it merely gives the criminals a nearby target-rich environment that they would otherwise have to travel to, while appearing noticably out of place. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:55:12 AM EDT
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#demographicsmatter
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:55:50 AM EDT
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The big problem with how city planning works today, in all countries, is that we make areas with low value residences OR high value residences. This means that we get high concentrations of poor people in the same place with little supporting infrastructure and social support etc. A better way of planning is to ensure that the area have both high and low value residences. This reduces segregation as many studies show; segregation is one of the corner pillars in organized crime and gang wars. "We" don't make low value residences. "We" are forced (by threat of arrest and imprisonment) to pump billions of dollars into low value areas which is then wasted or used to buy things to further harm people in high value residences. It is the residents of an area that determine its value. Their choices to rape, rob, and murder take high value residences and turn them into low value residences. eta: I noticed you are from Sweden. If you are ever in Memphis, TN, give me a call, and we can look at some desegregated properties on a Friday or Saturday night. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:56:40 AM EDT
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The big problem with how city planning works today, in all countries, is that we make areas with low value residences OR high value residences. This means that we get high concentrations of poor people in the same place with little supporting infrastructure and social support etc. A better way of planning is to ensure that the area have both high and low value residences. This reduces segregation as many studies show; segregation is one of the corner pillars in organized crime and gang wars. Putting low cost housing right next to high cost housing sounds like a nice way to make more of the housing cost less. 
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:56:52 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. that is their problem. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:57:28 AM EDT
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Hmmmm, you may be on to something here. "Senator, are you saying that these death squads were funded with CDBG's?" "We prefer the term Crime Prevention Team, but yes." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. Hmmmm, you may be on to something here. "Senator, are you saying that these death squads were funded with CDBG's?" "We prefer the term Crime Prevention Team, but yes." I would like to donate to your campaign and sign up for your newsletter |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:57:59 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:58:12 AM EDT
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Unless they killed the former occupants they didn't reduce crime, they just moved it to another neighborhood. This! |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:59:15 AM EDT
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The big problem with how city planning works today, in all countries, is that we make areas with low value residences OR high value residences. This means that we get high concentrations of poor people in the same place with little supporting infrastructure and social support etc. A better way of planning is to ensure that the area have both high and low value residences. This reduces segregation as many studies show; segregation is one of the corner pillars in organized crime and gang wars. I don't even know where to start...
It doesn't work that way here. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 11:00:39 AM EDT
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I like this idea. But lets keep them moving all the way to the liberal Meccas. Same with the illegals. We should just had out tons of bus tickets to Baltimore, Boston, New York, Seattle. I'm sure the bleeding heart liberals there will welcome them with open arms.
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