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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:16:37 PM EDT
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Noah didn't. God did. You will need to speak to God.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:21:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:21:32 PM EDT
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It also doesn't say that they were all fully grown either.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:21:35 PM EDT
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Book: What are we up to, sweetheart?
River Tam: Fixing your Bible. Book: I, um... [alarmed] Book: What? River Tam: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics - doesn't make sense. [she's marked up the bible, crossed out passages and torn out pages] Book: No, no. You-you-you can't... River Tam: So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem. Book: Really? River Tam: We'll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat. [rips out page] |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:22:59 PM EDT
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The idea that Noah wouldn't have had to take sea creatures onto the ark is false. Most sea-going mammals and fish would have died in the flood as well due to the brackish nature of the water and the megatons of debris in it.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:25:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:25:46 PM EDT
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eta: How many cubits are in a cubyte? |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:28:37 PM EDT
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Agreed. One of the more out there stories. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:33:35 PM EDT
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:35:14 PM EDT
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Did they ever find the Urca gold?
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:50:41 PM EDT
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. This. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:51:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:56:44 PM EDT
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3 by 3
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:58:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:59:56 PM EDT
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Didn't you know Noah's Ark was a spaceship that left Venus, after man-made global warming destroyed the planet? He only needed vials of DNA.
As a Christian, I'm fine if the story is 100% true or has a lot of metaphors to help all people across all generations relate to the lesson regardless of their current scientific understanding. The most frequent metaphors and parables are all agriculture related. Agriculture was the most scientific thing that everyone could relate to. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:01:46 PM EDT
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:06:34 PM EDT
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. I agree. Something happened in ancient times that caused an ancestral memory of a great flood. Possibly rising sea levels at the end of the ice age or the Atlantic flooding the Mediterranean. Something happened of that there is no doubt in my mind. But thousands of years of story telling embellished the story into what eventually made it's way into the bible. And NO you don't have to interpret the bible literally to be a Christian. Especially the Old Testament which is really the Jewish bible. Christians need to focus on what's in the New Testament mostly. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:08:42 PM EDT
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LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. No doubt. Can you believe that some people actually think that the world is more than 6000 years old? Lol! |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:10:25 PM EDT
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We're gonna need a bigger boat......
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:11:13 PM EDT
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LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Ah jeez |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:11:44 PM EDT
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Did they ever find the Urca gold? Yeah, but he was gay the whole time! |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:12:04 PM EDT
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The "explanation" linked in the OP is a crock.
Like much of Genesis, the ark story is fable and metaphor. It has to be seen as such. In other words, a believer can accept it if he suspends disbelief. It's a great mistake to get literal in such things. Even the ancient Hebrews didn't take them literally. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:14:27 PM EDT
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i'm completely skeptical of the ark narrative, but IMO the question in the OP is silly.
if you accept that the flood occurred as described in genesis, then you are transcending the limits of empiricism already. IOW, you are accepting that non-natural causation existed. god directly intervened to change the rules of the physical world. if this happened, then the entire episode is unbound by natural laws--scientific rules as we know them simply don't apply. i tell genesis literalists that they can't have it both ways. if the creation account is literally true, then it transcends science, and therefore science cannot be used to confirm any part of the genesis account. science is based on consistency and regularity (no miracles), and if you explain any inconsistency by saying that god miracled it away, science can no longer be validly applied. but the same thing is true here--the OP can't have it both ways. if the flood occurred, it was a miracle. therefore a skeptic can't validly apply scientific rules (which are based on the presumption of no miracles) to try to 'disprove' the event. if god can magically poof all that water into and out of existence, then he can certainly fit all those animals on a boat. or the head of a pin, for that matter. edit: ah--the OP was going in an unanticipated direction. irrelevant bits redacted. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:16:52 PM EDT
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The "explanation" linked in the OP is a crock. Like much of Genesis, the ark story is fable and metaphor. It has to be seen as such. In other words, a believer can accept it if he suspends disbelief. It's a great mistake to get literal in such things. Even the ancient Hebrews didn't take them literally. The ark narrative is literal and did really happen. 
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3gb1cHAJz1qakblyo1_500.jpg eta: How many cubits are in a cubyte? 8 bits = 1 Byte A cubit is a cube one bit in each dimension. A cubyte is likewise a cube that is one byte on a side, (or eight bits on a side). These means that a cubyte is 8*8*8 (8 cubed) cubits in volume. Therefore, 1 cubyte = 512 cubits. Math.  |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. lol |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:21:28 PM EDT
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not. Only the parts they agree with. Just look at how Christians treat Leviticus. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:21:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:21:55 PM EDT
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LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. You're just exactly what Rik was talking about. Do you honestly believe that the story of Eden, trees and fruit was literal? How about Elijah riding a chariot of fire? Or would it be more likely that if such an event were to take place the people would describe it with words familiar to them? It's not blasphemy or sacrilege to try to understand hows and whys. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:22:14 PM EDT
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LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Yeah, you're part of the problem. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:22:24 PM EDT
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Maybe Noah's Ark was a spaceship and he teleported all the animals and kept them in the transporter buffers...
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:23:07 PM EDT
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I don't take the entire bible as literal fact, but I am a follower and study of the rebel Jesus.
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:23:35 PM EDT
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Only the parts they agree with. Just look at how Christians treat Leviticus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not. Only the parts they agree with. Just look at how Christians treat Leviticus. I can tell you have not read the Bible. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the sacrifices of the Old Testament were no longer necessary. Jesus fulfilled them with his death and resurrection on the cross! |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:24:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:25:04 PM EDT
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LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Faith = faith. Just believe; don't expect science to verify your beliefs. If you need scientific explanation to back up your beliefs, then you need to be open to the fact that a different scientific finding could destroy your beliefs. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:25:10 PM EDT
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not. The grass withers, the flowers fade, but the Word of God stands forever. Isaiah 40:8 All of it. And Jesus referred Himself as The Son of Man. Only one ancient book uses that title that I know of, The Book of Enoch, so... |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:26:21 PM EDT
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I agree. Something happened in ancient times that caused an ancestral memory of a great flood. Possibly rising sea levels at the end of the ice age or the Atlantic flooding the Mediterranean. Something happened of that there is no doubt in my mind. But thousands of years of story telling embellished the story into what eventually made it's way into the bible. And NO you don't have to interpret the bible literally to be a Christian. Especially the Old Testament which is really the Jewish bible. Christians need to focus on what's in the New Testament mostly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. I agree. Something happened in ancient times that caused an ancestral memory of a great flood. Possibly rising sea levels at the end of the ice age or the Atlantic flooding the Mediterranean. Something happened of that there is no doubt in my mind. But thousands of years of story telling embellished the story into what eventually made it's way into the bible. And NO you don't have to interpret the bible literally to be a Christian. Especially the Old Testament which is really the Jewish bible. Christians need to focus on what's in the New Testament mostly. If they want to be ignorant and walk around blind, then sure. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:30:23 PM EDT
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I can tell you have not read the Bible. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the sacrifices of the Old Testament were no longer necessary. Jesus fulfilled them with his death and resurrection on the cross! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not. Only the parts they agree with. Just look at how Christians treat Leviticus. I can tell you have not read the Bible. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the sacrifices of the Old Testament were no longer necessary. Jesus fulfilled them with his death and resurrection on the cross! I have read the Bible over a hundred times. That doesn't stop fundies from continuing to cherry-pick scripture from the Old Testament out of context to back up their personal views. See: every single same-sex marriage debate. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:33:06 PM EDT
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If they want to be ignorant and walk around blind, then sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. I agree. Something happened in ancient times that caused an ancestral memory of a great flood. Possibly rising sea levels at the end of the ice age or the Atlantic flooding the Mediterranean. Something happened of that there is no doubt in my mind. But thousands of years of story telling embellished the story into what eventually made it's way into the bible. And NO you don't have to interpret the bible literally to be a Christian. Especially the Old Testament which is really the Jewish bible. Christians need to focus on what's in the New Testament mostly. If they want to be ignorant and walk around blind, then sure. Funny, I feel the same way about people who think the Earth is 6000 years old and the entire Earth flooded to the top of the highest mountains in that period. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:33:18 PM EDT
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I'm curious how some people can definitively say that "this" or "that" from the bible isn't true, but that other stuff is. Where does one draw the line? If you don't accept the Great Flood as being literal, what about turning water into wine? Raising from the dead? Parting the Red Sea? The virgin birth? The fact that Jesus called Himself the Son of God?
How can one believe in an all-powerful Creator of the universe and then not believe any of the above? |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:36:11 PM EDT
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This is an embarassing example of how literalists need to have it their way, reason be damned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Why can't the Bible be literal? Either its all true or none of its true |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:36:50 PM EDT
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I'm curious how some people can definitively say that "this" or "that" from the bible isn't true, but that other stuff is. Where does one draw the line? If you don't accept the Great Flood as being literal, what about turning water into wine? Raising from the dead? Parting the Red Sea? The virgin birth? The fact that Jesus called Himself the Son of God? How can one believe in an all-powerful Creator of the universe and then not believe any of the above? Back when I was a believer, it was fairly simple: did I want to think God was a trickster, a liar who told us one thing but left undeniable physical evidence of another? If not, then the things that were physically impossible had to be either parables or we had to be misinterpreting what was being said, most likely because it was written for Bronze Age nomadic tribes and they wouldn't have understood it otherwise. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:37:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Faith = faith. Just believe; don't expect science to verify your beliefs. If you need scientific explanation to back up your beliefs, then you need to be open to the fact that a different scientific finding could destroy your beliefs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Faith = faith. Just believe; don't expect science to verify your beliefs. If you need scientific explanation to back up your beliefs, then you need to be open to the fact that a different scientific finding could destroy your beliefs. If a scientists comes out in and uses evidence to show How GOD is the creator he is immediately cast out of the "scientific" community. All science is is the understanding of GODS creation and the laws he put into place. The outright denial or ignoring of the creator shows that many so called scientists are not scientific at all but hacks. You get so many who make outlandish claims against the bible and later get proven wrong and all their supporters are like "well that means nothing" It is like a mental disorder. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:37:29 PM EDT
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Why can't the Bible be literal? Because if it's literal then it's demonstrable non-factual. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:38:49 PM EDT
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. Why can't the Bible be literal? Either its all true or none of its true Because it was written for the masses with little to no education, back then. If the events were told in literal, technical terms they would have little to no meaning to a population like that. We tell kids that a stork brings babies until they are old enough to understand the truth. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:38:58 PM EDT
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Agreed. One of the more out there stories. Not really...just another noisy troll thread by folks who do not believe...but, just gotta be as noisy as possible about what they do not believe. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious how some people can definitively say that "this" or "that" from the bible isn't true, but that other stuff is. Where does one draw the line? If you don't accept the Great Flood as being literal, what about turning water into wine? Raising from the dead? Parting the Red Sea? The virgin birth? The fact that Jesus called Himself the Son of God? How can one believe in an all-powerful Creator of the universe and then not believe any of the above? It's difficult for me to fathom that people have such a hard time with the concept that the Bible may be a mixture of fact and literary devices like metaphor and parable. Why they must cling to the idea that one may either believe all of it literally, or none of it. If the flood story is a metaphor for something, then it can be true without being literally true. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:39:36 PM EDT
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The grass withers, the flowers fade, but the Word of God stands forever. Isaiah 40:8 All of it. And Jesus referred Himself as The Son of Man. Only one ancient book uses that title that I know of, The Book of Enoch, so... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not. The grass withers, the flowers fade, but the Word of God stands forever. Isaiah 40:8 All of it. And Jesus referred Himself as The Son of Man. Only one ancient book uses that title that I know of, The Book of Enoch, so... Just finished reading the 1st book. Interesting for sure......debating if I should read the rest. Enoch..Noah's great grandfather ..and Noah's birth was unusual as well.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 2:39:36 PM EDT
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Why can't the Bible be literal? Either its all true or none of its true 
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