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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:28:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Loved my Glocks until I bought a VP9. Now they all sit in the safe collecting dust, including my 19 with RMR. After using my VP9 for awhile I tried to switch back to the 19 but, it literally felt like a 2x4.
I did some light stippling on my VP9 and it fits my hand perfectly. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:31:57 PM EDT
[#2]
I've always wanted to try a VP9. One of these days.....
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:34:57 PM EDT
[#3]
All HK's need a can...
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:36:28 PM EDT
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I EDC a G23 and have a G35, and I love them.
I got a VP9, and as soon as I get my holster from Nightingale Leather, the Glocks will be relegated to back up status. Faster, more accurate, better egos, etc. I was an HK Hater prior to getting the VP9. My dream gun would be a scaled up VP10 in 10mm…holding 12 rounds and capable of handling the original Norma loadings. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:36:52 PM EDT
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If the AWB hadn't killed "service-size" pistol development for a decade....
Guns like this, the M&P, and others... introduced in the late 90s, would have sent Gaston back to shovelmaking. 
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:38:25 PM EDT
[#6]
Does the VP9 use that same dual recoil spring?
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:38:45 PM EDT
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I'm willing to try one out. I don't think I have ever gotten my hands on one.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm willing to try one out. I don't think I have ever gotten my hands on one. The Walther PPQ is another great one. Fantastic trigger and ergos…but I could not find one anywhere. Also, I REALLY like the paddle mag release on the HK…much faster and easier to use than the button on a Glock. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:41:41 PM EDT
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I don't have a VP9 yet but I do have a P30 with the light LEM trigger. I need to take a Dremel to the trigger guard, it is not kind to large hands.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:42:00 PM EDT
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I plan on getting a VP9 one of these days. I'm currently running an M&P9 full size with an Apex package and it's really sweet shooting and reliable but the VP9 is one of the few handguns out on the market that really has my attention. I had a USP TACTICAL in 45 full size but traded it off because I just really didn't see anything special about it and I didn't have plans to put a can on it.
ETA: H&K would do good to offer a 17 round mag for the VP9. They would probably double their sales if they did. No reason not to really. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:42:43 PM EDT
[#11]
I would try one but I have 6 Glocks and over a hundred magazines so switching isn't really an option
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:43:06 PM EDT
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Absolutely loved my P2000 before switching to Glocks. If the VP9 has similar ergos to the P2000 but is striker fired, that sounds quite appealing.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:44:54 PM EDT
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I would try one but I have 6 Glocks and over a hundred magazines so switching isn't really an option i'm debating between the two, and this is what makes me lean towards a 17/19. last time i checked hk mags were pure 
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:47:00 PM EDT
[#14]
It's nice. But the Walther PPQ M2 is moar betterer.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:47:53 PM EDT
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<snip> My dream gun would be a scaled up VP10 in 9x25 Dillon from Speer, Winchester, or Federal 10mm…holding 12 rounds and capable of handling the original Norma loadings. Fixed it for me. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:49:30 PM EDT
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<snip> The Walther PPQ is another great one. Fantastic trigger and ergos…but I could not find one anywhere. <snip> The PPQ M1 (with lever mag release) is awesome, especially with Dawson Precision sights that do not have the silly wide rear that everyone is so enamored of. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:49:42 PM EDT
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Does the VP9 use that same dual recoil spring? Nope. Just a regular single flat coil recoil spring. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:50:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:53:43 PM EDT
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I love mine as well.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 4:54:58 PM EDT
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It's nice. But the Walther PPQ M2 is moar betterer. I really would love to shoot it back to back with a VP9 |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:00:07 PM EDT
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I'm curious. How exactly did the glock ergos affect your sight picture and trigger pull?
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:00:38 PM EDT
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It's nice. But the Walther PPQ M2 is moar betterer. I really would love to shoot it back to back with a VP9 I've done so. Both are fine pistols. The trigger on the PPQ M2 was better. Mind you, both are a massive improvement over legacy systems (Glock, M&P), so I am not saying the VP9 had a bad trigger. But I found the PPQ M2 trigger to be better, especially the reset. The correct magazine release is also an improvement, contrary to the fanbois claims. The PPQ M2 has more traditional innards. The trigger mechinism of the VP9 is considerably different than most other striker fired guns, and appears more complex. This may or may not be a bad thing, it will take time to tell. In reality, both guns are amazingly similar side by side... Like, really, really similar. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:08:29 PM EDT
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I've done so. Both are fine pistols. The trigger on the PPQ M2 was better. Mind you, both are a massive improvement over legacy systems (Glock, M&P), so I am not saying the VP9 had a bad trigger. But I found the PPQ M2 trigger to be better, especially the reset. The correct magazine release is also an improvement, comtrary to the fanbois claims. The PPQ M2 has more traditional innards. The trigger mechinism of the VP9 is considerably different than most other striker fired guns, and appears more complex. This may or may not be a bad thing, it will take time to tell. In reality, both guns are amazingly similar side by side... Like, really, really similar. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's nice. But the Walther PPQ M2 is moar betterer. I really would love to shoot it back to back with a VP9 I've done so. Both are fine pistols. The trigger on the PPQ M2 was better. Mind you, both are a massive improvement over legacy systems (Glock, M&P), so I am not saying the VP9 had a bad trigger. But I found the PPQ M2 trigger to be better, especially the reset. The correct magazine release is also an improvement, comtrary to the fanbois claims. The PPQ M2 has more traditional innards. The trigger mechinism of the VP9 is considerably different than most other striker fired guns, and appears more complex. This may or may not be a bad thing, it will take time to tell. In reality, both guns are amazingly similar side by side... Like, really, really similar. We agree with the bolded last part--with the exception that all the extra customizations you can do to the VP9 grip can make a difference for some people. We disagree on the rest of your post. (Me 6' 1" and fiancee 5' 4") We have both, plus a P99c QA. The QA in single action is probably "most best". But we thought the VP9 trigger was slightly better than the PPQ, but there isn't enough difference between the three triggers to matter, for most practical purposes. VP9 trigger had best reset for us--again, there isn't really a big difference between the three that most people are going to detect--they all have "normal" resets. We prefer the lever magazine release, especially since my fiancee has little, bitty hands. YMMV (both in release preferences and fiancee hand size.) Fiancee preferred the PPQ slide release but was OK with the VP9 slide release. VP9 comes with much better sights (either the huge green dot sights or the night sights) for us. The PPQ comes with rear sights that have a huge rear notch--you can fit the front sight in it three times. That's too big for us. YMMV, again. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:13:28 PM EDT
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My Glock 17 is the only Glock I own. Can't shoot the thing for shit. Looks like I need a VP9!  |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:15:00 PM EDT
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We agree with the bolded last part--with the exception that all the extra customizations you can do to the VP9 grip can make a difference for some people. We disagree on the rest of your post. (Me 6' 1" and fiancee 5' 4") We have both, plus a P99c QA. The QA in single action is probably "most best". But we thought the VP9 trigger was slightly better than the PPQ, but there isn't enough difference between the three triggers to matter, for most practical purposes. VP9 trigger had best reset for us--again, there isn't really a big difference between the three that most people are going to detect--they all have "normal" resets. We prefer the lever magazine release, especially since my fiancee has little, bitty hands. YMMV (both in release preferences and fiancee hand size.) Fiancee preferred the PPQ slide release but was OK with the VP9 slide release. VP9 comes with much better sights (either the huge green dot sights or the night sights) for us. The PPQ comes with rear sights that have a huge rear notch--you can fit the front sight in it three times. That's too big for us. YMMV, again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's nice. But the Walther PPQ M2 is moar betterer. I really would love to shoot it back to back with a VP9 I've done so. Both are fine pistols. The trigger on the PPQ M2 was better. Mind you, both are a massive improvement over legacy systems (Glock, M&P), so I am not saying the VP9 had a bad trigger. But I found the PPQ M2 trigger to be better, especially the reset. The correct magazine release is also an improvement, comtrary to the fanbois claims. The PPQ M2 has more traditional innards. The trigger mechinism of the VP9 is considerably different than most other striker fired guns, and appears more complex. This may or may not be a bad thing, it will take time to tell. In reality, both guns are amazingly similar side by side... Like, really, really similar. We agree with the bolded last part--with the exception that all the extra customizations you can do to the VP9 grip can make a difference for some people. We disagree on the rest of your post. (Me 6' 1" and fiancee 5' 4") We have both, plus a P99c QA. The QA in single action is probably "most best". But we thought the VP9 trigger was slightly better than the PPQ, but there isn't enough difference between the three triggers to matter, for most practical purposes. VP9 trigger had best reset for us--again, there isn't really a big difference between the three that most people are going to detect--they all have "normal" resets. We prefer the lever magazine release, especially since my fiancee has little, bitty hands. YMMV (both in release preferences and fiancee hand size.) Fiancee preferred the PPQ slide release but was OK with the VP9 slide release. VP9 comes with much better sights (either the huge green dot sights or the night sights) for us. The PPQ comes with rear sights that have a huge rear notch--you can fit the front sight in it three times. That's too big for us. YMMV, again. The sights on the PPQ are indeed crap and require replacement in my opinion... But I replace all sights anyway at the first chance, so that kind of factors out for me. Agreed on the PPQ slide release being better. The difference in triggers might come down to the specific guns being compared. The triggers on the VP9 and PPQ M2 are both nice enough that I could see that being the case. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:18:42 PM EDT
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All HK's need a can... This. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:26:39 PM EDT
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I'm curious. How exactly did the glock ergos affect your sight picture and trigger pull? They don't point well for people who learned on just about anything else. Try closing your eyes, and bring the gun up to a target & look at your sight picture. For people who learned on guns with a more traditional grip angle, they point high. If you are constantly trying to force yourself to unlearn what was your natural point while you're shooting, you probably won't shoot well. I have to pay close attention when I shoot Glocks. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:29:07 PM EDT
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Now I'm just waiting on them to come out with a compact or subcompact VP9.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:30:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Neat.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:32:08 PM EDT
[#30]
My next gun will be a VP9
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:33:23 PM EDT
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I'm curious. How exactly did the glock ergos affect your sight picture and trigger pull? Multi-year IDPA and USPSA shooter here. I shoot high and to the left with glocks. ( I've owned or own a 17 / 19 / 21 / 22 / 23 / 34 - So I've given them their fair shot.) I shoot just a tiny bit high and to the left with M&P's. (Shoot an M&P 9 pro series right now in IDPA / USPA - own a regular 9, compact 9, 45 full size and shield.) So far, with my VP9 - I shoot about dead on. If anything, just a little high. My ammo for the past 2 years have been bayou bullet 130gr 9mm. Or bayou 200gr SWC 45. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:34:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Love mine. It's the best polymer gun out there right now.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:35:02 PM EDT
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<snip> The sights on the PPQ are indeed crap and require replacement in my opinion... But I replace all sights anyway at the first chance, so that kind of factors out for me. <snip> We agree, we usually replace any sight that comes on a gun--the problem was that, other than a LPA adjustable (like on the CZ-85), at one time, there wasn't anything that didn't have a huge rear notch for the PPQ. Even now, only the Dawson's have anything resembling a fitted (traditional? whatever the word is) notch. (I don't know about fiber optic sights.) |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:35:27 PM EDT
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I just picked up a VP 9 from my LGS yesterday. Was a Gunbroker purchase. Can't wait to shoot it. Mags are
non existent right now due to it's popularity. I have already noticed neckbearding of mags on the auctions etc....$65+. On the H&K forum there is a guy (actually active duty Marine officer who is an HK armorer in NC) that I am sending my slide to for mounting of some Dawson fiber optic sights soon. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:36:03 PM EDT
[#35]
Yeah, it's a decent gun. Not my favorite, but I'll keep mine.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:36:24 PM EDT
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I just picked up a VP 9 from my LGS yesterday. Was a Gunbroker purchase. Can't wait to shoot it. Mags are non existent right now due to it's popularity. I have already noticed neckbearding of mags on the auctions etc....$65+. On the H&K forum there is a guy (actually active duty Marine officer who is an HK armorer in NC) that I am sending my slide to for mounting of some Dawson fiber optic sights soon. I had 5 P30 mags 
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:38:28 PM EDT
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I just picked up a VP 9 from my LGS yesterday. Was a Gunbroker purchase. Can't wait to shoot it. Mags are non existent right now due to it's popularity. I have already noticed neckbearding of mags on the auctions etc....$65+. On the H&K forum there is a guy (actually active duty Marine officer who is an HK armorer in NC) that I am sending my slide to for mounting of some Dawson fiber optic sights soon. I had 5 P30 mags Yep. It will be pick up a few here and there for me...but only at decent prices LOL. Waaaay back in the day I had a USP 40 when they first came out..heck mags for that bad boy were like $40-50 bucks each best I can remember. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:41:59 PM EDT
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Good deal on one. https://www.preppergunshop.com/index.php/hk-vp9-9mm-4-09-15rd-bl-2-mags.html? That is damn good. With a decent ffl, thats easily 600$ after transfer |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 5:56:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Love mine..got the LE pkg too..put 1k rounds 124 Gr NA TO thru in one sitting. Not one issue.
Still love my HK45 though |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 6:41:27 PM EDT
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Multi-year IDPA and USPSA shooter here. I shoot high and to the left with glocks. ( I've owned or own a 17 / 19 / 21 / 22 / 23 / 34 - So I've given them their fair shot.) I shoot just a tiny bit high and to the left with M&P's. (Shoot an M&P 9 pro series right now in IDPA / USPA - own a regular 9, compact 9, 45 full size and shield.) So far, with my VP9 - I shoot about dead on. If anything, just a little high. My ammo for the past 2 years have been bayou bullet 130gr 9mm. Or bayou 200gr SWC 45. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm curious. How exactly did the glock ergos affect your sight picture and trigger pull? Multi-year IDPA and USPSA shooter here. I shoot high and to the left with glocks. ( I've owned or own a 17 / 19 / 21 / 22 / 23 / 34 - So I've given them their fair shot.) I shoot just a tiny bit high and to the left with M&P's. (Shoot an M&P 9 pro series right now in IDPA / USPA - own a regular 9, compact 9, 45 full size and shield.) So far, with my VP9 - I shoot about dead on. If anything, just a little high. My ammo for the past 2 years have been bayou bullet 130gr 9mm. Or bayou 200gr SWC 45. If you shoot consistently a certain way with a certain gun, why not change the sights to match POA to POI? Quoted:
They don't point well for people who learned on just about anything else. Try closing your eyes, and bring the gun up to a target & look at your sight picture. For people who learned on guns with a more traditional grip angle, they point high. If you are constantly trying to force yourself to unlearn what was your natural point while you're shooting, you probably won't shoot well. I have to pay close attention when I shoot Glocks. This is no more a problem then learning DA/SA, flipping off a manual safety or whatever the particular idiosyncrasies of any gun are. Fixed with minimal levels of effort. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 6:47:30 PM EDT
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That is damn good. With a decent ffl, thats easily 600$ after transfer Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good deal on one. https://www.preppergunshop.com/index.php/hk-vp9-9mm-4-09-15rd-bl-2-mags.html? That is damn good. With a decent ffl, thats easily 600$ after transfer No, THIS is a good deal... $528 cash price. http://www.narkguns.com/heckler-koch-vp9-striker-fired-pistol-m700009-a5-9mm-409-in-polymer-grip-h-km700009a5.html?___SID=U |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:00:32 PM EDT
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No, THIS is a good deal... $528 cash price. http://www.narkguns.com/heckler-koch-vp9-striker-fired-pistol-m700009-a5-9mm-409-in-polymer-grip-h-km700009a5.html?___SID=U Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good deal on one. https://www.preppergunshop.com/index.php/hk-vp9-9mm-4-09-15rd-bl-2-mags.html? That is damn good. With a decent ffl, thats easily 600$ after transfer No, THIS is a good deal... $528 cash price. http://www.narkguns.com/heckler-koch-vp9-striker-fired-pistol-m700009-a5-9mm-409-in-polymer-grip-h-km700009a5.html?___SID=U Yes it is. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:40:18 PM EDT
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Good for you, op. My USP is like that for me. It just flat out hits what I aim at.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 8:10:39 PM EDT
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The gun is AMAZING. Backgroud: -been shooting guns for 25 years/ average shooter with mostly steel trained targets...I really hate indoor ranges. -Mostly steel and mostly HK until 2 years ago when I bought a 17 and 26. (I switched to Glock because I began carrying and loved the 26. Just a nice gun) -6 months ago, I began hitting INDOOR ranges and started shooting paper which I noticed that I really sucked at precision with the 17. -decided to try to "fix" the Glock perfection I never shot Glocks well but was mostly low left in the 2-3 ring but I never could figure out WHY it WASNT consistent groupings-I continued to work out the variables. I tried Skateboard tape, new sights, Skimmer trigger and though I love the trigger, different backstraps (GeN4) I only improved a little. Something was NOT right...SURE, I accepted that I need to work on the fundamentals but come one....I was consistent with other guns, at least low left were in 1 inch groups CONSISTENTLY. Then it occurred to me, ERGOS. So, today I shot the HK. Ergos were inherently addressed with this gun...and I mean BIG TIME. RESULTS" at 25ft-I shot 4 mags of 15, each getting a new target after one mag. After a 2 mag adjustment to the gun, the groupings went from 3-4 inch low 2-3" STRAIGHT DOWN to the final 2 mags 1-2inch CENTER BULLS EYE. I was like, WTF. I FOUND NIRVANA!! So, moral to this tale, YES, a shooter has habits and these SHOULD be transferred to all guns shot right?? I mean, if fundamentals are what you are working with, then the error should be noticed on other guns.... Well, in this case, the Glock SUCKS for me. Ergos are all fucked up on it for ME. Ask any indy driver, different cars act differently on the track and though the driver has the same driving ability and skill set, it makes a difference on what car they drive. Same for your gun. Also, IN before the, "you need to practice more on the Glock" or IN before the, "I can shoot my Glock the same as any gun...you just suck dude". ..and go. Didn't you have a thread asking if you should sell a glock for a VP9? I said yes. Glad it worked out. I love mine. It really is better than a glock, but there are people who hate H&K, and those that think there are no guns other than glocks. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 8:12:25 PM EDT
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Damn you people; I'm looking for reasons NOT to buy one
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Posted: 1/30/2015 8:23:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn you people; I'm looking for reasons NOT to buy one |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 8:30:20 PM EDT
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Damn you people; I'm looking for reasons NOT to buy one Do it! There is one left for that $560 price above. But then there is $30 shipping and near me transfers are $20-30. So it's more like $620, which is still a good price. I paid $650 for mine and think it is worth that price. Plus once I picked it up I knew I had do have it then, so that always costs a little more hahaha
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:38:50 AM EDT
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Damn you people; I'm looking for reasons NOT to buy one Buy one, I love mine! |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 12:59:54 AM EDT
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I want to try one.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:21:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious. How exactly did the glock ergos affect your sight picture and trigger pull? I don't buy the "sight picture and trigger pull" only argument. There are other physical and physiological factors that are at play in a human shooter. Ergos help to diminish stress on the shooters anxiety which lowers over gripping and trigger pushing errors. |
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