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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:45:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ludder093]
Since the last thread was locked at over 1k pages I started a new one.

Link to old thread is here Click

Link to official wot website for those who wish to read up and download the game. Click

here's a link to some Mods you can install. There are tons of mods to chose from this is just an example really. Click



I personally use OMC Modpack. It has a ton of customization and is very easy to install. http://odemmortis.com/odem-mortis-modpack/http://www.modxvm.com/



if you have any questions, this is the place to ask them. We're not all assholes just most of us

Message Old_Painless for AR-15 clan invites and such. 
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 9:13:30 AM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/IqU3TQE.jpg

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Still kicking myself for not buying Rudy .
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 9:46:08 AM EDT
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I went full potato in a SP when I first started playing this game so I want to buy it back and redeem myself.  
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
I've been eyeballing the super p for a while since I like the US med line a lot. I've got the French, Russian, Chinese, and jap lines covered for training but haven't even done much for the US minus the ram2. I've been noticing that it's weak spots are much harder to hit these days. So, while it's on sale, would you say it's worth picking up?


I went full potato in a SP when I first started playing this game so I want to buy it back and redeem myself.  

I wouldn't mind running one again now that it's been "re-buffed".  I bought one when it originally came out and it was a brick wall, nobody knew where to shoot it and I had some really good games in it.  Of course then they nerfed the crap out of it, so much so that they actually offered you your gold purchase price back if you wanted to get rid of it.  That's the only time I'm aware that WG has ever done that.  I took the gold back.  Now that it's been buffed a bit again and I have a bit more experience with the game I wouldn't mind giving it another go.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 11:49:45 AM EDT
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First game in SP after the buff, I got a Master and Don and Nick I think sent replay to Quckybaby.....5 games since then T9 every time, average chance to win is around 19%-and those stats don't lie, lol....

Joe, my big problem with S51 is my teams are folding so fast I have literally been spotted BEFORE I load my first shell....Except for the one game yesterday while a member of the JAJAJA brotherhood (on my team) kept staying behind me and rammed me every time my reticle started to settle, then drove in front of me as I went TD..then told me do unnatural things to a goat AND my mother, in Espanol and broken English....
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 11:58:47 AM EDT
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Still kicking myself for not buying Rudy .
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Originally Posted By CrazedCat:

http://i.imgur.com/IqU3TQE.jpg

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Still kicking myself for not buying Rudy .


Rudy is freaking awesome. Just like the 34-85, but a a great money maker and trainer.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 12:01:59 PM EDT
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Still kicking myself for not buying Rudy .
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Originally Posted By CrazedCat:

http://i.imgur.com/IqU3TQE.jpg

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<a href="http://www.vbaddict.net/battlereport/crazedcat-na-00abc3c7eee46fb50bf0b1a061eff2ee/malinovka-soviet_union-t_34_85_rudy-73811763200621081" target="_blank">http://www.vbaddict.net/battleimage/crazedcat/malinovka-soviet_union-t_34_85_rudy-73811763200621081.png</a>


Still kicking myself for not buying Rudy .


i have the T-34-85 m as well

Right Situations it can kick some ass The Nashorn was 2 shots Because first Round into the Engine set the fucker on fire 2nd killed it. did 500 in damage alone with the first 85 mm HE shell.

For lights and Open Top td's i find 85 MM HE works great then again the Tiers the Rudy plays in i know where the weak points are for maximizing pen with HE.

im thinking about getting the tier 8 prem soon i love Russian mediums ,


Link Posted: 8/17/2015 2:16:06 PM EDT
[#6]
So Bought back the SU-100 this week end and so far this has happened lol its a very Viscous tier 6 TD.

i moved up to quick b4 and now i am taking my time with the Tier 6 with top 122 mm its a mean mofo











Link Posted: 8/17/2015 2:24:04 PM EDT
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First game in SP after the buff, I got a Master and Don and Nick I think sent replay to Quckybaby.....5 games since then T9 every time, average chance to win is around 19%-and those stats don't lie, lol....



Joe, my big problem with S51 is my teams are folding so fast I have literally been spotted BEFORE I load my first shell....Except for the one game yesterday while a member of the JAJAJA brotherhood (on my team) kept staying behind me and rammed me every time my reticle started to settle, then drove in front of me as I went TD..then told me do unnatural things to a goat AND my mother, in Espanol and broken English....
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It happened a lot to me as well. Just stick with it, the next tank is far worth it IMHO. I have had a blast in both. A lot of people bag on the s51 but I really didnt have a hard time with it. Just lost up and get ready for shots and be patient. You can't afford to adjust fire all the time with that 8 second aiming time. It's not the easiest arty to play but it's vicious when you get a penetrating hit.

 



The 14-2 is more mobile that the 51 I have the reload down to 36.5 seconds and the aim time is about 6 seconds. Overall I like it a whole lot more. Good luck man.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 3:16:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CrazedCat:
So Bought back the SU-100 this week end and so far this has happened lol its a very Viscous tier 6 TD.

i moved up to quick b4 and now i am taking my time with the Tier 6 with top 122 mm its a mean mofo

http://i.imgur.com/bDL2Bye.jpg

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122 on that thing trolls me so hard.  I've almost rage changed back to the 100 several times.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 4:44:49 PM EDT
[#9]
Loaded up this weekend and bought a bunch of new tanks I'd unlocked:

M53/55
M46
T49
T-34
Almost unlocked the Leo PTA but gave up 15k xp short.

As a matter of public record, I will state an apology.  I make my apology to the E50 for accusing it of having the worst grind I'd experienced in WOT.  I take it all back.  The winner now goes to the M46.  The M46 is one HUGE impotent POS with the 90mm.  I mean, 180 pen at tier 9? 240 damage.  Nearly 7 second reload?   68xp needed for 105?  Fuck that. Fuck WOT.  Such a blatant money grab.  At least with the E50, you have nearly 200 pen and a faster reload while working towards the 105/L52.   Absolutely positively fucking awful.

Thankfully, I had 50k xp saved up.  I was going to just unlock the Leo PTA and buy it as well as all the above but I simply could not stand the 90mm.  32% win rate.  I simply could not positively effect the game outcome with such low pen and low damage at that tier.   With the x5 weekend, took me 30 games to grind the rest.  Mo Betta tank with the 105 on the M46.  Although the gun is a bit trollish.  Looking forward to unlocking tracks, turret, and final engine.  This thing might be beasty.

Which Soviet medium tank line do you guys like for working towards the T62A?  The A43 line or the T34-85 line?
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 6:47:17 PM EDT
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Had this player on my team today. He had win rates from 70% to 90% in every tank he has. His lowest tier tanks start at tier 5, how it that possible?

Link Posted: 8/17/2015 7:15:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jrpett:
Had this player on my team today. He had win rates from 70% to 90% in every tank he has. His lowest tier tanks start at tier 5, how it that possible?

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That's not his first account.

The reason he has no low tiers is because he bought the Super Pershing and CDC, played them, then converted the XP with gold and free xp'd right past the low tiers.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 7:21:16 PM EDT
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Had this player on my team today. He had win rates from 70% to 90% in every tank he has. His lowest tier tanks start at tier 5, how it that possible?



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Bought a premium tank to grind free xp and he has less than 3k battles. Probably platooned a lot as well with others of the similar variety.



 
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 7:26:24 PM EDT
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That's not his first account.



The reason he has no low tiers is because he bought the Super Pershing and CDC, played them, then converted the XP with gold and free xp'd right past the low tiers.
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Originally Posted By jrpett:

Had this player on my team today. He had win rates from 70% to 90% in every tank he has. His lowest tier tanks start at tier 5, how it that possible?



http://wotlabs.net/sig/na/Drogon_pro/signature.png




That's not his first account.



The reason he has no low tiers is because he bought the Super Pershing and CDC, played them, then converted the XP with gold and free xp'd right past the low tiers.
A.K.A. a re-roll. Some people frown upon it but I really don't care what people do with their money. Even if it is to overinflate their stats on a pixel game.  



 
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 7:59:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CrazedCat:


i have the T-34-85 m as well

Right Situations it can kick some ass The Nashorn was 2 shots Because first Round into the Engine set the fucker on fire 2nd killed it. did 500 in damage alone with the first 85 mm HE shell.

For lights and Open Top td's i find 85 MM HE works great then again the Tiers the Rudy plays in i know where the weak points are for maximizing pen with HE.

im thinking about getting the tier 8 prem soon i love Russian mediums ,


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Originally Posted By bologna:
Originally Posted By CrazedCat:

http://i.imgur.com/IqU3TQE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JQZu0Fp.jpg

<a href="http://www.vbaddict.net/battlereport/crazedcat-na-00abc3c7eee46fb50bf0b1a061eff2ee/malinovka-soviet_union-t_34_85_rudy-73811763200621081" target="_blank">http://www.vbaddict.net/battleimage/crazedcat/malinovka-soviet_union-t_34_85_rudy-73811763200621081.png</a>


Still kicking myself for not buying Rudy .


i have the T-34-85 m as well

Right Situations it can kick some ass The Nashorn was 2 shots Because first Round into the Engine set the fucker on fire 2nd killed it. did 500 in damage alone with the first 85 mm HE shell.

For lights and Open Top td's i find 85 MM HE works great then again the Tiers the Rudy plays in i know where the weak points are for maximizing pen with HE.

im thinking about getting the tier 8 prem soon i love Russian mediums ,




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Link Posted: 8/17/2015 8:05:31 PM EDT
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A.K.A. a re-roll. Some people frown upon it but I really don't care what people do with their money. Even if it is to overinflate their stats on a pixel game.  
 
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Originally Posted By Herc:
Originally Posted By jrpett:
Had this player on my team today. He had win rates from 70% to 90% in every tank he has. His lowest tier tanks start at tier 5, how it that possible?

http://wotlabs.net/sig/na/Drogon_pro/signature.png


That's not his first account.

The reason he has no low tiers is because he bought the Super Pershing and CDC, played them, then converted the XP with gold and free xp'd right past the low tiers.
A.K.A. a re-roll. Some people frown upon it but I really don't care what people do with their money. Even if it is to overinflate their stats on a pixel game.  
 


Heh. I had those kind of stats on the account I gave to Nick. WN8 was 4650 when I got in the M46, which is one of my favorite tanks. The whining got so bad I started driving off cliffs for a couple days and got it to about 2800 or so. Didn't help the whining, now I'm a "Noob reroll..."
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 8:09:33 PM EDT
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Heh. I had those kind of stats on the account I gave to Nick. WN8 was 4650 when I got in the M46, which is one of my favorite tanks. The whining got so bad I started driving off cliffs for a couple days and got it to about 2800 or so. Didn't help the whining, now I'm a "Noob reroll..."
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:


Originally Posted By Herc:


Originally Posted By jrpett:

Had this player on my team today. He had win rates from 70% to 90% in every tank he has. His lowest tier tanks start at tier 5, how it that possible?



http://wotlabs.net/sig/na/Drogon_pro/signature.png




That's not his first account.



The reason he has no low tiers is because he bought the Super Pershing and CDC, played them, then converted the XP with gold and free xp'd right past the low tiers.
A.K.A. a re-roll. Some people frown upon it but I really don't care what people do with their money. Even if it is to overinflate their stats on a pixel game.  

 




Heh. I had those kind of stats on the account I gave to Nick. WN8 was 4650 when I got in the M46, which is one of my favorite tanks. The whining got so bad I started driving off cliffs for a couple days and got it to about 2800 or so. Didn't help the whining, now I'm a "Noob reroll..."
Yeah, I remember. I boosted your stats a little bit for you too. It was hilarious getting in game with two platooned easy 8's that were purple. The hate and discontent was amusing.

 
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 9:57:47 PM EDT
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122 on that thing trolls me so hard.  I've almost rage changed back to the 100 several times.
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Originally Posted By CrazedCat:
So Bought back the SU-100 this week end and so far this has happened lol its a very Viscous tier 6 TD.

i moved up to quick b4 and now i am taking my time with the Tier 6 with top 122 mm its a mean mofo

http://i.imgur.com/bDL2Bye.jpg

<a href="http://www.vbaddict.net/battlereport/crazedcat-na-00abc3c7eee46fb50bf0b1a061eff2ee/karelia-soviet_union-su_100-1583293888863473" target="_blank">http://www.vbaddict.net/battleimage/crazedcat/karelia-soviet_union-su_100-1583293888863473.png</a>

http://i.imgur.com/YwrFgfi.jpg

<a href="http://www.vbaddict.net/battlereport/crazedcat-na-00abc3c7eee46fb50bf0b1a061eff2ee/malinovka-soviet_union-su_100-1580682548747990" target="_blank">http://www.vbaddict.net/battleimage/crazedcat/malinovka-soviet_union-su_100-1580682548747990.png</a>






122 on that thing trolls me so hard.  I've almost rage changed back to the 100 several times.


yup it can do that i had a good day with it if i give it time to fully aim it does hit some times near misses i try not to fire past 300 meters but it can lol snipe out further if everything is working right.


Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:07:43 PM EDT
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yeah that one turbo could not remember the name earlier.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:10:54 PM EDT
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Ok here is how retarded I am at this game. I can do well in some and am a true 50% player I guess. As far as the retardation. I don't play missions, I don't play stuff that get you free stuff. I just play. No biggie right? Well because I just long in and smash the keyboard like a chimp on angel dust for a while and log off, I do not really know what means what half the time when to comes to awards, stats and such.

While platooning with my buddy at his house we were trying to get our video performance close. I just couldn't get his wolverine to look like mine. Same paint job etc. I told him maybe he needed to turn decals on max, yet it was not the same. His didn't have the 2 stars on the barrel while mine did. Like two idiots we were stumped and gave up on screwing with the video settings and went on to slaughter folks and pad his nob stats.

Another player mentioned something about the stars and I told him I did not know. Well someone who is hip to the ways of the game told me it was a good thing to have so I left it at that. Turns out they are marks of excellence? I thought those were stripes, not stars.

so, what would two stars on my barrel be? I do well in the Wolverine but was under the impression MoE were stripes. If they are, I  feel a bit better and more confident. If not, I feel kind of stupid, but literally half the time that how I play anyway. I either whip ass or go full potato, I cant even blame the team for my losses.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:29:44 PM EDT
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It's a heavy by weight definition only.

Play it like a medium for maximum success.
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Not just that but why teh fuck would you sell the FCM 50t??  

Because I totally sucked in it. Like so bad they would have had to redo the WN8 color charts because of me bad. I had tards in red feeling good about themselves.


Do you play mediums at all?

Not really. Maybe thats why I sucked in it. I thought the FCM was a heavy for some reason.


It's a heavy by weight definition only.

Play it like a medium for maximum success.


Yup, found the problem.  

qqqqqq
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:39:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:42:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Ok here is how retarded I am at this game. I can do well in some and am a true 50% player I guess. As far as the retardation. I don't play missions, I don't play stuff that get you free stuff. I just play. No biggie right? Well because I just long in and smash the keyboard like a chimp on angel dust for a while and log off, I do not really know what means what half the time when to comes to awards, stats and such.

While platooning with my buddy at his house we were trying to get our video performance close. I just couldn't get his wolverine to look like mine. Same paint job etc. I told him maybe he needed to turn decals on max, yet it was not the same. His didn't have the 2 stars on the barrel while mine did. Like two idiots we were stumped and gave up on screwing with the video settings and went on to slaughter folks and pad his nob stats.

Another player mentioned something about the stars and I told him I did not know. Well someone who is hip to the ways of the game told me it was a good thing to have so I left it at that. Turns out they are marks of excellence? I thought those were stripes, not stars.

so, what would two stars on my barrel be? I do well in the Wolverine but was under the impression MoE were stripes. If they are, I  feel a bit better and more confident. If not, I feel kind of stupid, but literally half the time that how I play anyway. I either whip ass or go full potato, I cant even blame the team for my losses.
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All the nations have different marks though usually some variation of a star or a stripe.  I'm not sure what the Japs have, theirs might be a little different.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:44:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WildBoar:


Ok here is how retarded I am at this game. I can do well in some and am a true 50% player I guess. As far as the retardation. I don't play missions, I don't play stuff that get you free stuff. I just play. No biggie right? Well because I just long in and smash the keyboard like a chimp on angel dust for a while and log off, I do not really know what means what half the time when to comes to awards, stats and such.



While platooning with my buddy at his house we were trying to get our video performance close. I just couldn't get his wolverine to look like mine. Same paint job etc. I told him maybe he needed to turn decals on max, yet it was not the same. His didn't have the 2 stars on the barrel while mine did. Like two idiots we were stumped and gave up on screwing with the video settings and went on to slaughter folks and pad his nob stats.



Another player mentioned something about the stars and I told him I did not know. Well someone who is hip to the ways of the game told me it was a good thing to have so I left it at that. Turns out they are marks of excellence? I thought those were stripes, not stars.



so, what would two stars on my barrel be? I do well in the Wolverine but was under the impression MoE were stripes. If they are, I  feel a bit better and more confident. If not, I feel kind of stupid, but literally half the time that how I play anyway. I either whip ass or go full potato, I cant even blame the team for my losses.
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American MoEs are stars.  Russians are red stars.  Brits are single stripe.  Germans a triple stripe.  Chinese is a red star.  Not sure about Japan.



Apparently you're pretty fucking good in the Wolverine.



You can right click the tank in the garage carousel and click on Statistics.  It tells you all sorts of stuff, like average damage and highest damage ever.  Pretty sure that's a base game thing and not a mod.



 
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:48:03 PM EDT
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Played a handful of matches for the arty/lt mission.



Packet loss has been absolutely horrific every time.  Five-plus second delays a couple of times a minute.  I think I disconnected from more than half of those matches.



Worst I've ever seen.
Link Posted: 8/17/2015 10:52:24 PM EDT
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If you want to easy mode the light missions for this week, use the bt7  - it took me 4 times to hit 20 tanks and only had to be in the top five on one of those.
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All the nations have different marks though usually some variation of a star or a stripe.  I'm not sure what the Japs have, theirs might be a little different.
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Originally Posted By WildBoar:


Ok here is how retarded I am at this game. I can do well in some and am a true 50% player I guess. As far as the retardation. I don't play missions, I don't play stuff that get you free stuff. I just play. No biggie right? Well because I just long in and smash the keyboard like a chimp on angel dust for a while and log off, I do not really know what means what half the time when to comes to awards, stats and such.





While platooning with my buddy at his house we were trying to get our video performance close. I just couldn't get his wolverine to look like mine. Same paint job etc. I told him maybe he needed to turn decals on max, yet it was not the same. His didn't have the 2 stars on the barrel while mine did. Like two idiots we were stumped and gave up on screwing with the video settings and went on to slaughter folks and pad his nob stats.





Another player mentioned something about the stars and I told him I did not know. Well someone who is hip to the ways of the game told me it was a good thing to have so I left it at that. Turns out they are marks of excellence? I thought those were stripes, not stars.





so, what would two stars on my barrel be? I do well in the Wolverine but was under the impression MoE were stripes. If they are, I  feel a bit better and more confident. If not, I feel kind of stupid, but literally half the time that how I play anyway. I either whip ass or go full potato, I cant even blame the team for my losses.






All the nations have different marks though usually some variation of a star or a stripe.  I'm not sure what the Japs have, theirs might be a little different.
Looks like a meat cleaver/ hatchet. Not even joking.


 
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From top left working right

Russian, American, British,

Japanese, German, French





Where's Chinese?



Whyyyy I aughtttaaaaa

 
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 2:14:49 AM EDT
[#30]
Did some looking around today and noticed that my T29 is my best tank. 62% win rate in it.

Sadly my Hellcat and most everything else are under 50%.

One thing that confuses me is spotting/detection characteristics.

On my Hellcat I run camo net, camo skill and 100% crew with a camo paint job.

Sometimes I am detected out of nowhere and proceed to get lit up. At the same time I cannot find the damn bastard that detected me.  Now from my understanding being in cover is preferred to being in the middle of a field. However, do I need to be in, or behind a bush? Does the same hold true when I fire?

On wide park at the section watching the three arch bridge I am almost never detected here, and is my best spot in all the maps in the Hellcat. I get behind a row of three bushes and the only way I am detected is when they are >50 meters from me, and when I am detected I know who did it. Is the fact that I am behind three bushes the thing that doesn't make me detectable, even after I fire?
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 2:37:03 AM EDT
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It's complicated. I'm not sure he covers it but you can spot someone proximety wise. IE you are within 50m of them and you are both hidden behind a wall. Just being within 50m will light you up.
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/313391-spotting-camo-invisible-tanks-and-you/




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  • You have to be
    behind the bush, not in it to get the camo value. This is false. In fact
    a small tank like a Locust can get 360 degree camo sitting in a bush.



  • If any part of
    your tank is sticking out of the bush, you are visible. This is false.
    Your long L100 barrel on your panther can stick a tank length out of the
    bush. The gun is not a visibility check point. It does not matter.
    Likewise, if the corner of your treads stick out. It does not matter. If
    the midpoint of your tread stick out, it matters. If the gun mount
    point sticks out, it matters.



  • If I am behind a
    bush that is wide enough I always get camo. This is false. All of your
    visibility check points need to be blocked by the bush.



  • If I see the
    transparent bush in sniper mode, I have camo. This is false. You may
    have one of several visibility check points exposed. Commonly, the top
    one which is at the max height of your tank is showing because the bush
    is too short.



  • If I am behind a
    bush, I will always be invisible. This is false. See the calculations
    below. Depending on your total camo and the other tank's view range, you
    may be visible quite a ways from the bush. This applies to firing 15m
    behind the bush. You are not guaranteed to be invisible.











Visual guide without the math:








Much of this info is from:



WOT WIKI Battle Mechanics: http://wiki.worldoft...nics#Visibility







Visibility and Spotting



Definitions:






  • Cover - Items
    that offer 100% Camo and are unaffected by shooting. Buildings, rocks,
    etc. You cannot be seen until the enemy is within 50m. Note: Some
    building have windows on both sides allowing you to be spotted and shot
    through them.



  • Concealment -
    Items with <100% Camo that have their camo value reduced within 15m
    when firing. Bushes, Standing trees, felled trees.



  • Camouflage - A
    calculated value used to determine the distance at which you can be
    spotted. See below for details and calculations



  • Firing Penalty -
    the camouflage bonus provided by transparent objects in a 15m radius
    around your tank is reduced to 30% of the original value.



  • Draw Distance -
    a technical limitation to being able to see tanks and other objects in
    the 3D world. Maximum is 707m. It is a cube, not circle. Your in games
    settings may reduce this.



  • Spotting Range -
    the game mechanics limitation to spotting, i.e. "lighting up" a target
    yourself. Maximum is 445m. SR=VR-(VR-50)*Camo



  • View Range - a
    tank specific value only used for calculating spotting range, without
    any relevance of its own. No theoretical maximum. View Range is the
    theoretical maximum distance that your vehicle's Commander (not you!)
    can see. depends on the vehicle's turret, the Commander's effective
    primary skill level, whether the Commander has the Recon skill and the
    Radio Operator has the Situational Awareness skill, as well as the usage
    of view range stat enhancing equipment like Coated Optics or
    Binoculars. The maximum possible view range you can currently (v0.7.3)
    achieve in game is nearly 598.842m with a Patton and 100% Commander and
    crew having the Brothers in Arms perk, the Commander having 100% Recon
    skill, the Radio Operator having 100% Situational Awareness skill, the
    tank having Improved Ventilation and Binoculars equipment installed and
    using Case of Cola premium consumable.



  • Server Horizon -
    Even with your draw distance set to high, dynamic objects (i.e. spotted
    enemy vehicles, terrain destruction, tracers) may remain invisible to
    you. This is because the server decides whether to send information
    about dynamic objects to you based on whether they are within the
    boundaries of a separate 1000m x 1000m x 1000m cube centered on your
    tank but aligned to the map boundaries regardless of your view point.
    Every vehicle outside of that server cube will always be invisible to
    you in the default Arcade View or in Sniper View regardless of your draw
    distance setting.



  • Spotting
    Mechanic - To determine whether you have line of sight to a vehicle
    within your spotting range and will thus spot it, the server calculates a
    virtual vision ray extending from one of two view range ports on your
    vehicle to each of the six visibility checkpoints of the target vehicle.



  • View Range
    Ports - 1) Static View Range Port: A static location on the tank model,
    placed on its highest elevation and centered there. 2) Dynamic View
    Range Port: Located where gun is mounted to the turret, dynamically
    moves along with the turret.



  • Visibility
    Check Points - 1) Top, Middle of Turret (same location as Static View
    Range Port) 2) Gun Mount (same location as Dynamic View Range Port)
    3)Front, Center of Hull 4) Rear, Center of Hull 5) Right Side, Middle of
    Turret 6) Left Side, Middle of Turret




Notes:







  • Bushes or
    standing trees within the 15m diameter become transparent in sniper
    view. This helps you determine your distance from them.



  • No camouflage
    bonus is provided by Grass (no matter how tall or thick) or Player tanks
    (dead or alive) (Player tanks can provide cover)



  • Once spotted, a vehicle stays lit up for a minimum duration of 5 seconds which can extend up to 10 seconds



  • You
    can never spot a vehicle further away than 445m (A T69 has a 400m view
    range. Binoculars bring that up to 500m. You will not spot tanks at
    500m. However it is not useless as it still will be used to "beat"
    someone's camo allowing you to see them sooner.



  • You will always spot any vehicle that comes within 50m of you, regardless of line of sight, cover, camo, etc.



  • If you are more than 15m from a bush that is between you and your target, you can fire without losing the bush's camo value.



  • If you are more
    than 15m from a bush that is between you and your target, you will
    likely need to rely on other tanks to spot your target.



  • To abuse the
    bush mechanic, Start 20m behind the bush. In sniper view pull forward
    slowly until the bush becomes transparent. Spot your target. Back up
    until the bush turns opaque. You will still see the red outline of the
    tank. Fire at the tank. Congratulations. Your enemy has been shot by an
    invisible tank. You will lose the target 5 to 10 seconds after the bush
    turned opaque. Pull forward until it becomes transparent to re-acquire
    the target.















Changes in 8.6



While many changes were initially made, all but 3 were reverted.



1) Bushes and trees lost about 20% of their camo value. So the best bush used to be around 0.64 and now it is 0.51,



2) Camo net is added not multiplied.







3) Camo Paint is added not multiplied



Essentially
camo nets and paint were worthless on tanks with low base camo values
prior to 8.6. Now all tanks get the same benefit. Because of this, TDs
were hiding too well so the amount of camo from trees and bushes was
reduced.
Camouflage and view range mechanics, formulas, and examples




Camo = Base * (0.00375 * skill + 0.5) + pattern + net + env (Pre 8.6: Camo = Base * (0.00375 * skill + 0.5) *pattern *net + env)




Base Camo = Set of 3 tank inherent values. One for still. One for
moving. One for Still and Shooting. Generally Heavy Skill = Average camo
skill of all crew members pluss bonuses from equipment and perks.
((CommanderSkill + VentBonus + (CrewSkill + VentBonus + (CommanderSkill +
VentBonus) * 0.1) * NumberOfNonCommanderCrewMembers)) /
TotalNumberOfCrewMembersIncludingCommander)




Pattern = if you bought a camo pattern for this tank that matches the map(summer, winter, desert) 5%




Net = Camo net = 25% after hull (not turret) is motionless for 3 seconds




Env = Environmental factors Solid objects like Houses, rocks, terrain =
100%. Semi-Transparent objects like Bushes, trees (up or felled) 0%
(dead trees w/ no leaves, bamboo trees) to 51% (Big dense fluffy bush)
(Note 51% was based on a calculation. Looking at the list below, the max
is 50%)
Examples:




Say our target has a base camo coefficient of 25% or 0.25 while standing
still. The entire crew of 5 has 100% Camouflage skill level and the
Commander has 100% primary skill level. Improved Ventilation equipment
is installed. Our tank is sitting completely inside of a dense bush and
has not been moving for more than 3 seconds. No camo paint or net.
The effective camouflage skill is:




Skill = (100 + 5 + (100 + 5 + (100 + 5) * 0.1) * 4)) / 5 = 113.4
Camo Calculation:




Camo behind best bush = 0.25 * (0.00375 * 113.4 + 0.5) + 0.51 = 0.7413125
Spotting Distance:




Now to get a complete spotting example, let's add an example spotter
with an effective view range of 400m (T69). Spotting range is calculated
as follows:




400 - (400 - 50) * 0.7413125 = 140.5m spotting range to see tank behind bush
What if the T69 was using binoculars?




(400 * 1.25) - ((400 * 1.25) - 50) * 0.7413125 = 166.4m
What if they had camo net and paint?




Camo = 0.25 * (0.00375 * 113.4 + 0.5) + 0.51 +0.05 + 0.25 = 1.0413125




Spot = 400 - (400 -50) * 1.0413125 = 35.54m (but you would spot at the minimum 50m range)




Notice the HUGE difference the camo net and paint made.


 
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 10:26:21 AM EDT
[#32]
looks like the 8.8 jagdtiger is being removed.





currently 'on sale' @45 bucks





is it worth considering picking up, or are they dumping it for good cause?

 
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 12:05:27 PM EDT
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looks like the 8.8 jagdtiger is being removed.

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It's not that great a tank.

It's too fucking slow. Used to not be that bad, but now it's pretty terrible. If you can hide your lower front plate, you can do unspeakable things to enemy teams with it. It's got a high refire rate and hits hard for that. From the front, its armor is damned near impenetrable unless they're shooting your LFP, in which case, you're sitting on gasoline soaked dynamite.
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You forgot to mention the guy in the back running the money printing press as fast as he can go.



It is a big money maker.



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Originally Posted By VaultDweller:

looks like the 8.8 jagdtiger is being removed.



currently 'on sale' @45 bucks



is it worth considering picking up, or are they dumping it for good cause?  




It's not that great a tank.



It's too fucking slow. Used to not be that bad, but now it's pretty terrible. If you can hide your lower front plate, you can do unspeakable things to enemy teams with it. It's got a high refire rate and hits hard for that. From the front, its armor is damned near impenetrable unless they're shooting your LFP, in which case, you're sitting on gasoline soaked dynamite.




You forgot to mention the guy in the back running the money printing press as fast as he can go.



It is a big money maker.



A platoon of three of them when. On tier is pretty amusing. It's like the Israelis taking three d10's abreast into the Gaza strip.

 
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 3:20:13 PM EDT
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looks like the 8.8 jagdtiger is being removed.

currently 'on sale' @45 bucks

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1. Go to Ebay
2. Search for Jagdtiger 8.8, see $29.00 codes for sale for the tank + gold+ prem time
3. Purchase code
4. redeem code on WoT
5. Profit

You can use the code up to three times, you will get the current gold compensation for the 2nd and 3rd code.

I guess they changed it so that you can only use the code once.  I did this about a year ago and was allowed to use 3 different codes.
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 3:28:59 PM EDT
[#37]
I finally broke down and got the E-100... popped the top gun on with Free XP, loaded up and went to town.
Three games so far, three wins... all in purple Win8.

I love this tonk so far.

May be my new stat padder if those numbers hold.
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 3:38:09 PM EDT
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I finally broke down and got the E-100... popped the top gun on with Free XP, loaded up and went to town.
Three games so far, three wins... all in purple Win8.

I love this tonk so far.

May be my new stat padder if those numbers hold.
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The gun on that thing is outstandingly accurate.

You *WILL* hit what you're shooting at. Even at surprisingly long distances. Those T30's and T34's that like to think they're safe hulldown are in for a rude damned awakening when you're beating their commander hatches to shit from across the map. (ETA: Also the round is usually coming DOWN onto their top from a long ways away and is near autopen at that point, which can be hilarious.

The best piece of advice I can give you is to turn your turret away, inward, from your intended victim at about a 25 -35 degree angle and lock your turret there while you're reloading or backing out into the open during a sidescrape. Your face can be easily penned by all kinds of stuff if you're facing them, but at an angle like that, you're damned near impenetrable.
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 9:15:01 PM EDT
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From top left working right
Russian, American, British,
Japanese, German, French


Where's Chinese?

Whyyyy I aughtttaaaaa  


Racist.
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Originally Posted By tyman:


Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

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From top left working right

Russian, American, British,

Japanese, German, French





Where's Chinese?



Whyyyy I aughtttaaaaa  




Racist.
you're not my supervisor!

 
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 9:36:33 PM EDT
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The gun on that thing is outstandingly accurate.

You *WILL* hit what you're shooting at. Even at surprisingly long distances. Those T30's and T34's that like to think they're safe hulldown are in for a rude damned awakening when you're beating their commander hatches to shit from across the map. (ETA: Also the round is usually coming DOWN onto their top from a long ways away and is near autopen at that point, which can be hilarious.

The best piece of advice I can give you is to turn your turret away, inward, from your intended victim at about a 25 -35 degree angle and lock your turret there while you're reloading or backing out into the open during a sidescrape. Your face can be easily penned by all kinds of stuff if you're facing them, but at an angle like that, you're damned near impenetrable.
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I finally broke down and got the E-100... popped the top gun on with Free XP, loaded up and went to town.
Three games so far, three wins... all in purple Win8.

I love this tonk so far.

May be my new stat padder if those numbers hold.


The gun on that thing is outstandingly accurate.

You *WILL* hit what you're shooting at. Even at surprisingly long distances. Those T30's and T34's that like to think they're safe hulldown are in for a rude damned awakening when you're beating their commander hatches to shit from across the map. (ETA: Also the round is usually coming DOWN onto their top from a long ways away and is near autopen at that point, which can be hilarious.

The best piece of advice I can give you is to turn your turret away, inward, from your intended victim at about a 25 -35 degree angle and lock your turret there while you're reloading or backing out into the open during a sidescrape. Your face can be easily penned by all kinds of stuff if you're facing them, but at an angle like that, you're damned near impenetrable.


Do you unlock to aim/fire or rotate the entire hull then when firing?  I've found an angled turret bounces a ton, straight on I know it's soft... It's where I tend to pen using other tanks.

I've been rotating turret off target on reload and then rotating back on to fire when reload timer is about 2.3 seconds... Giving me time to aim and such. I tend to keep the hull at side scraping angles, I do wiggle it to try and keep anyone from getting a well aimed shot.
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 9:37:37 PM EDT
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Took a bit of a break from WoT but have slowly been coming back, but in small doses. Been playing 5-7 games each night for the past couple nights and I think I am enjoying the game more this way rather than grinding game after game. If I lose 2-3 in a row I just stop playing. Makes going down the line a bit slow but it's working so far.

As for the JT 8,8 I would probably pass on it at the current price since it is a bad deal or as others have suggested buy a code on eBay. It's worth buying the eBay code I think just because it's a hell of a credit earner but not worth the current bundle price WG has it priced for (money grab). It's suffered pretty bad from power creep and high pen guns will laugh at your upper plate but if you can get pretty hull down and per usual hide the lower plate it can be hilarious.
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 9:41:33 PM EDT
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For EBay prices, the jag88 seems worth it.
At current site price? I probably would not buy one again.

I enjoy the tank but it is limited in it's play. Very few good hull down spots for it on the current maps.
I tend to wait for a short crappy tank to die and go hull down behind the corpse.
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From top left working right
Russian, American, British,
Japanese, German, French


Where's Chinese?

Whyyyy I aughtttaaaaa  


Racist.
you're not my supervisor!  


Step into my office.
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Where's Chinese?



Whyyyy I aughtttaaaaa  




Racist.
you're not my supervisor!  




Step into my office.
Can't. Computer no worky

 
Link Posted: 8/18/2015 10:50:11 PM EDT
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Do you unlock to aim/fire or rotate the entire hull then when firing?  I've found an angled turret bounces a ton, straight on I know it's soft... It's where I tend to pen using other tanks.

I've been rotating turret off target on reload and then rotating back on to fire when reload timer is about 2.3 seconds... Giving me time to aim and such. I tend to keep the hull at side scraping angles, I do wiggle it to try and keep anyone from getting a well aimed shot.
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I finally broke down and got the E-100... popped the top gun on with Free XP, loaded up and went to town.
Three games so far, three wins... all in purple Win8.

I love this tonk so far.

May be my new stat padder if those numbers hold.


The gun on that thing is outstandingly accurate.

You *WILL* hit what you're shooting at. Even at surprisingly long distances. Those T30's and T34's that like to think they're safe hulldown are in for a rude damned awakening when you're beating their commander hatches to shit from across the map. (ETA: Also the round is usually coming DOWN onto their top from a long ways away and is near autopen at that point, which can be hilarious.

The best piece of advice I can give you is to turn your turret away, inward, from your intended victim at about a 25 -35 degree angle and lock your turret there while you're reloading or backing out into the open during a sidescrape. Your face can be easily penned by all kinds of stuff if you're facing them, but at an angle like that, you're damned near impenetrable.


Do you unlock to aim/fire or rotate the entire hull then when firing?  I've found an angled turret bounces a ton, straight on I know it's soft... It's where I tend to pen using other tanks.

I've been rotating turret off target on reload and then rotating back on to fire when reload timer is about 2.3 seconds... Giving me time to aim and such. I tend to keep the hull at side scraping angles, I do wiggle it to try and keep anyone from getting a well aimed shot.


Basically when I say, "Lock" I mean I hold right click so my turret doesn't move and push back into the building while reloading, and vice versa, I'll stick my turret corner on to an enemy, unlock, drill him, and try to get back. While aiming, I'm wiggling the turret a little unless it is a long shot. Sounds like you're doing it right, just make sure you don't lead out with your turret face on, as the lower edges of them are very soft.

Further, make absolutely sure you don't give a smart enemy side shots. They'll drill your front sprocket which has very little armor, and will kill your driver, engine, and possibly screw up your ammo rack.
Link Posted: 8/19/2015 9:22:26 AM EDT
[#48]

Storm: "We need a USA map"

Boris the drunken Russian developer: "We could mirror image Himmelsdorf, get rid of the castle add some dirt and call it Detroit!"

Storm: "But Boris, how will people know it's Detroit and not some generic BS? The Berlin map has the Brandenburg Gate...."

Boris: "Lets make that road running down the west of Himmelsdorf into a little stream and call it the Detroit river!"


And that's how game development happens at Wargaming.
Link Posted: 8/19/2015 10:00:07 AM EDT
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Storm: "We need a USA map"



Boris the drunken Russian developer: "We could mirror image Himmelsdorf, get rid of the castle add some dirt and call it Detroit!"



Storm: "But Boris, how will people know it's Detroit and not some generic BS? The Berlin map has the Brandenburg Gate...."



Boris: "Lets make that road running down the west of Himmelsdorf into a little stream and call it the Detroit river!"





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I like how all the buildings are just recycled from one map to the next. Not that many people really pay attention to it. But really, they should do a Detroit map and have an opening of arty like on Stalingrad and then when. People say it looks like Detroit, it will!

 
Link Posted: 8/19/2015 7:20:30 PM EDT
[#50]
This game sucks. And it's a huge time sink.
Should I go premium right away, or wait?

Current WN8 after 200+ battles is ... double digits. /sigh/
Lemming? Present!

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