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Posted: 12/17/2014 10:52:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 10:53:53 AM EDT
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I'll tag this.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:00:40 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:02:35 AM EDT
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OST        
 
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:03:58 AM EDT
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Not quite the bumbling oaf he has been portrayed to be.  Imagine that...
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:09:00 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:15:44 AM EDT
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Not quite the bumbling oaf he has been portrayed to be.  Imagine that...
Actions speak louder than words  


Noted.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:19:47 AM EDT
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Linky no play for me.  

Cliff notes?
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:20:37 AM EDT
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In for the Zimmerman bashing from the Uber Tactical Self-Defense snobs.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:22:14 AM EDT
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He sure seemed to stay in the limelight longer than I would have expected. If that had happened to me, nobody would ever hear from me again.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:23:09 AM EDT
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And from the pro-MYOB crowd.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:24:00 AM EDT
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Tagged for home
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:24:59 AM EDT
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And from the pro-MYOB crowd.
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In for the Zimmerman bashing from the Uber Tactical Self-Defense snobs.


And from the pro-MYOB crowd.


He lived there and Trayvon Martin didn't.  And his instincts were proved correct - Trayvon Martin was indeed a shitbird.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:27:29 AM EDT
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Worth the time, thanks for posting.............the GZ's call starts at the 17 minute mark.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:32:34 AM EDT
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He is $2.5 million in debt.
His family is still hounded.
He can't get a job.
He wishes he had liability insurance.

Avoid the fucking media at all costs.  

It really is worth the listen.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:34:18 AM EDT
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He lived there and Trayvon Martin didn't.  And his instincts were proved correct - Trayvon Martin was indeed a shitbird.
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In for the Zimmerman bashing from the Uber Tactical Self-Defense snobs.


And from the pro-MYOB crowd.


He lived there and Trayvon Martin didn't.  And his instincts were proved correct - Trayvon Martin was indeed a shitbird.


Yeah well, I'm not going to hash this debate again. I'll just say I think a pair of douchebags collided that night and one of them died.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:44:19 AM EDT
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And the cost for being right was having his life ruined.
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He lived there and Trayvon Martin didn't.  And his instincts were proved correct - Trayvon Martin was indeed a shitbird.


And the cost for being right was having his life ruined.


Not disputing that.  I just take exception to the (implied) premise that a homeowner in a neighborhood owes deference to some punk-ass, skulking juvenile stranger.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:45:18 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting, looking forward to the listen. Ayoob is the man, as well.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:45:52 AM EDT
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Need cliff notes transcript of this long track.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:47:50 AM EDT
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Tag
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:57:00 AM EDT
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Mas has a seriously low voice.

Link Posted: 12/17/2014 11:59:04 AM EDT
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You need to listen to all of this. I will tell you this. What he goes over, especially dealing with his families ordeal is worth tens of thousands of dollars worth of advice.

 



Every gun owner should listen to this. I never knew what happened to his grandmother his family and the ongoing threats to even distant family members.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:08:48 PM EDT
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Getting liability insurance for potential self-defense is a good idea.
If State decides to make an example of you, it will break and bury you financially.
Zimmerman had over $360,000 of money owed to the State alone for court and associated costs. Still owes the lawyers $2.5 million.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:09:31 PM EDT
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Tag for when I have time.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:21:41 PM EDT
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IBT You can't Flim Flam the Zim Man!  

also tag
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:24:06 PM EDT
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He lived there and Trayvon Martin didn't.  And his instincts were proved correct - Trayvon Martin was indeed a shitbird.




And the cost for being right was having his life ruined.









His life was indeed ruined.  But wouldn't the alternative been worse?
 
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:26:28 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting OP.

Tagged.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:37:46 PM EDT
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[You were warned to not use that word that way - account warning issued - Paul]
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:44:41 PM EDT
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Tagged for later viewing.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:47:22 PM EDT
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The cost of defending yourself against the violent actions of others has become shamefully high in our society; even more so when you are not properly color-coordinated with your attacker.

And, things ain't gettin' any better, any time soon.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:48:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:48:58 PM EDT
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His life was indeed ruined.  But wouldn't the alternative been worse?







 
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He lived there and Trayvon Martin didn't.  And his instincts were proved correct - Trayvon Martin was indeed a shitbird.


And the cost for being right was having his life ruined.




His life was indeed ruined.  But wouldn't the alternative been worse?







 


Isn't the anti-self defense crowd trying to make submission (for a law-abiding citizen) seem like a better option?  If Trayvon had hurt or killed GZ, we would probably never have heard of this case.  But because GZ followed the law, and called the police, he is the bad guy.  
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 12:58:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:05:27 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:11:05 PM EDT
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How in the world will he ever pay that debt? It is impossible!!

Yes it is good information. Who cares 'what' you think of GZ or MA. They have MUCH experience, I do not. I shut up and listen!!
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:13:12 PM EDT
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Tag
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:14:31 PM EDT
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He is $2.5 million in debt.
His family is still hounded.
He can't get a job.
He wishes he had liability insurance.

Avoid the fucking media at all costs.  

It really is worth the listen.
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He is $2.5 million in debt.
His family is still hounded.
He can't get a job.
He wishes he had liability insurance.

Avoid the fucking media at all costs.  

It really is worth the listen.

He seems to be violating that one by agreeing to the interview.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:17:52 PM EDT
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Mas has a seriously low voice.

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Even lower than mine. That doesn't happen often.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:18:21 PM EDT
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In the moment where he pulled the gun he had no other option.

It's the moments prior to that moment where he had options...and where I betcha if he could do it over again he'd do a whole lot of things differently.

It would behoove everyone to consider the potential outcomes before getting into something they can't control.
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His life was indeed ruined.  But wouldn't the alternative been worse?


In the moment where he pulled the gun he had no other option.

It's the moments prior to that moment where he had options...and where I betcha if he could do it over again he'd do a whole lot of things differently.

It would behoove everyone to consider the potential outcomes before getting into something they can't control.


This.  Lots of lessons here - the big one for me is the importance of force escalation options.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:21:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:26:46 PM EDT
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Mas sounds nearly identical to my late Uncle Larry (who I miss very much), may he rest in peace. It's almost weirding me out. Even the accent, intonation, enunciation, etc is the same.

He's also just as soft spoken as my Uncle Larry was. You're on the radio Mas - speak up.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:46:15 PM EDT
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This really is pretty interesting, so far.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:48:22 PM EDT
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In the moment where he pulled the gun he had no other option.

It's the moments prior to that moment where he had options...and where I betcha if he could do it over again he'd do a whole lot of things differently.
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His life was indeed ruined.  But wouldn't the alternative been worse?


In the moment where he pulled the gun he had no other option.

It's the moments prior to that moment where he had options...and where I betcha if he could do it over again he'd do a whole lot of things differently.

I've no doubt that thought haunts him. I can picture him lying in bed in the dark, thinking, "Why did I get out of the car?"
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 1:48:56 PM EDT
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He is $2.5 million in debt.
His family is still hounded.
He can't get a job.
He wishes he had liability insurance.

Avoid the fucking media at all costs.  

It really is worth the listen.
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He is $2.5 million in debt.
His family is still hounded.
He can't get a job.
He wishes he had liability insurance.

Avoid the fucking media at all costs.  

It really is worth the listen.



Thanks OP......still trying to listen.

Good insights learned the hard way. Hope I never hear his name again.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 2:11:57 PM EDT
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thru all the Zimmerman Martin event, the only thing that has mattered to me was Who the hell got
physical first? GZ had every right to look around outside his vehicle in order to provide an accurate
location for the dispatcher on the phone. When told not to do that he was returning to his ride when
TM returned to him and punched him out, knocked him down and mounted him.

The crime only started when the first blow was struck. TM had walked away and was safely at home.
He chose to return to do some violence on someone else.
Dont try to give somebody a lobotomy with a sidewalk and maybe you wont get yourself killed

IMO everything else is political bullshit.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 2:14:09 PM EDT
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thru all the Zimmerman Martin event, the only thing that has mattered to me was Who the hell got
physical first? GZ had every right to look around outside his vehicle in order to provide an accurate
location for the dispatcher on the phone. When told not to do that he was returning to his ride when
TM returned to him and punched him out, knocked him down and mounted him.

The crime only started when the first blow was struck. TM had walked away and was safely at home.
He chose to return to do some violence on someone else.
Dont try to give somebody a lobotomy with a sidewalk and maybe you wont get yourself killed

IMO everything else is political bullshit.
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Unfortunately, that's the daily reality of life in modern America. Do nothing wrong, and you're still the villain.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 2:55:21 PM EDT
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He seems to be violating that one by agreeing to the interview.
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He is $2.5 million in debt.
His family is still hounded.
He can't get a job.
He wishes he had liability insurance.

Avoid the fucking media at all costs.  


It really is worth the listen.

He seems to be violating that one by agreeing to the interview.


Pre-trial caveat.  He spoke very highly of Sean Hannity for some reason.
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 2:58:45 PM EDT
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So the fatty dollar-cop Zimmerninja was character-assassinated by the Leftist media?



Amazing how many people here bought it too.  



Cultivate skepticism of what the media is feeding you.  Think for yourself.  



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You don't think it can happen to you?





I would rethink that option.
 
Link Posted: 12/17/2014 3:05:04 PM EDT
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Ditto.
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