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Posted: 12/11/2014 7:13:07 PM EDT
Pitman's Knights of Columbus have flown the Christmas banner between a privately-owned building and a utility pole over Broadway for at least 35 years. The FFRF first began campaigning against it in 2011, saying it was hung without the proper permits. Johnson said the town only requires permits for flying banners over borough roads, and that because Broadway sits along County Route 553, officials would not ask for a sign permit from any of the various organizations that hang banners in that spot throughout the year. Furthermore, he said, he considered the banner a reflection of his town's Christian roots as a Methodist summer retreat. The FFRF had planned to outdo itself this Christmas by taking out three billboards in town. In addition to a reprise of last year's Saturnalia sign, the group wanted to add another billboard depicting a wrapped gift alongside the words "Heathen's Greetings" and a third showing St. Nick himself over the phrase "Yes Virginia, there is no God." Just before Thanksgiving, however, representatives from Clear Channel, which owns all three billboards, said they wouldn't rent the space to FFRF because of last year's repeated attempts to destroy the sign. In December 2013, an off-duty police officer at a restaurant across the street from the ad spotted two men trying to set it on fire, just a few days after law enforcement stopped a family with an extension ladder from pasting a picture of the Nativity over the Saturn image. The two men who tried to torch the sign were never apprehended. Andrew Seidel, an attorney with the FFRF, criticized the move. "The most disappointing thing about it is that it rewards illegal behavior. The people who tried to burn down that billboard now feel justified," he said. "What they're doing is saying if you damage billboards you disagree with, they won't put them up anymore. It's a sad example of people thinking the rights of the non-religious matter less, except this time instead of a town government, it's a corporation." Barbara Bridge, a vice president of public affairs at Clear Channel, declined to comment directly on the Pitman billboards, but confirmed that the company had pulled the plug on FFRF's ads. She also said Clear Channel had stopped putting posting on billboards in other situations, such as incidences of repeated vandalism. "I can say that when people graffiti our signs a thousand times we tend to take them down," Bridge said. "It's not cost effective." Seidel said FFRF did not "consider the issue dead," and expressed frustration that Clear Channel hadn't alerted the foundation to its decision sooner. "One frustrating thing is they knew about this all year long," he said of the company. "We could've taken a different approach, like a newspaper ad or a spot on TV, if we had known. We're not going to halt until Pitman stops giving Christians preferential treatment." Johnson, meanwhile, said the downtown banner represented the "spirit of Pitman." "That's what it was for 40 years before this happened," he said. "And I hope that's what it is for another 40 years." View Quote http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/12/silent_night_atheist_billboard_wont_return_to_pitman_this_year.html |
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"The most disappointing thing about it is that it rewards illegal behavior. The people who tried to burn down that billboard now feel justified," he said. "What they're doing is saying if you damage billboards you disagree with, they won't put them up anymore. It's a sad example of people thinking the rights of the non-religious matter less, except this time instead of a town government, it's a corporation."
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Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards.
Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. |
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So the Christians are now blading the other cheek at 45...
Good for them. |
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Probably some of them doing it trying to make Christians look bad. Or some other people
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*facepalm* at the idea of anti-Christmas billboards in general, and the vandalization of said billboards.
- an atheist. |
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*facepalm* at the idea of anti-Christmas billboards in general, and the vandalization of said billboards. - an atheist. View Quote Yep. Comin from an atheist here... Anyone that errects an antiChristmas billboard is a first class asshole and is missing out on the best holiday of the year. Any Christian that burns down another man's property doesn't deserve to call themself a Christian. When colossal assholes collide. |
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Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next.
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Quoted: Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. View Quote What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? |
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Yep. Comin from an atheist here... Anyone that errects an antiChristmas billboard is a first class asshole and is missing out on the best holiday of the year. Any Christian that burns down another man's property doesn't deserve to call themself a Christian. When colossal assholes collide. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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*facepalm* at the idea of anti-Christmas billboards in general, and the vandalization of said billboards. - an atheist. Yep. Comin from an atheist here... Anyone that errects an antiChristmas billboard is a first class asshole and is missing out on the best holiday of the year. Any Christian that burns down another man's property doesn't deserve to call themself a Christian. When colossal assholes collide. +1 - a Christian |
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I'm just glad that in this country, the worse a Christian or Athiest can do to each other is have billboard wars.
It's not so pleasant elsewhere in the world. |
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Quoted: Their billboard, their rules. View Quote I actually agree with this. Keep your shit off public property and dont take any public funds and any denomination is FREE to practice whatever they wish. However, the vandals are the only ones butthurt, but I suspect due to OP + title this whole thread is trollbait anyhow. Dont feed it, please.
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What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? What collusion? |
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Pitman's Knights of Columbus have flown the Christmas banner between a privately-owned building and a utility pole over Broadway for at least 35 years. The FFRF first began campaigning against it in 2011, saying it was hung without the proper permits Johnson, meanwhile, said the downtown banner represented the "spirit of Pitman." "That's what it was for 40 years before this happened," he said. "And I hope that's what it is for another 40 years." View Quote http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/12/silent_night_atheist_billboard_wont_return_to_pitman_this_year.html View Quote Pitman Grove, a Methodist Camp Meeting to prevent back sliding during the Summer. What would anyone really expect. I mean the Y's men sell Christmas trees in the park down town. Yeah, I was raised in Pitman, NJ. |
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How do you know it was a Christian who vandalized the billboards? Answer: You Do Not. You make an assumption it was because it suits your atheist narrative.
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Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards. Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. View Quote How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. |
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I actually agree with this. Keep your shit off public property and dont take any public funds and any denomination is FREE to practice whatever they wish. However, the vandals are the only ones butthurt, but I suspect due to OP + title this whole thread is trollbait anyhow. Dont feed it, please. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Their billboard, their rules. I actually agree with this. Keep your shit off public property and dont take any public funds and any denomination is FREE to practice whatever they wish. However, the vandals are the only ones butthurt, but I suspect due to OP + title this whole thread is trollbait anyhow. Dont feed it, please. Just find it hilarious. |
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1) using zoning laws to go after a billboard you don't like is a bitch move 2) attempting to burn down a billboard is way worse 3) ultimately, it's their billboard their rules |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Their billboard, their rules. I actually agree with this. Keep your shit off public property and dont take any public funds and any denomination is FREE to practice whatever they wish. However, the vandals are the only ones butthurt, but I suspect due to OP + title this whole thread is trollbait anyhow. Dont feed it, please. Just find it hilarious. I find it sad and a weak attempt to divide during the holidays. But I may be waaaay off base. If I happen to be wrong, then my apologies
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? What collusion? I'm dubious of vigor with which the city pursued these cases. "In December 2013, an off-duty police officer at a restaurant across the street from the ad spotted two men trying to set it on fire, just a few days after law enforcement stopped a family with an extension ladder from pasting a picture of the Nativity over the Saturn image. The two men who tried to torch the sign were never apprehended." |
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How do you know it was a Christian who vandalized the billboards? Answer: You Do Not. You make an assumption it was because it suits your atheist narrative. View Quote How do you know it was an atheist conspirator who vandalized the billboards? Answer: You Do Not. You make an assumption it was because it suits your theist narrative. Or something. Anyways, it could have been a conspirator, or a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a bored teenager, or an Odinist, or a Hindu, or the wind, etc |
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Quoted: What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? |
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Quoted: How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards. Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. |
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I'm dubious of vigor with which the city pursued these cases. "In December 2013, an off-duty police officer at a restaurant across the street from the ad spotted two men trying to set it on fire, just a few days after law enforcement stopped a family with an extension ladder from pasting a picture of the Nativity over the Saturn image. The two men who tried to torch the sign were never apprehended." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? What collusion? I'm dubious of vigor with which the city pursued these cases. "In December 2013, an off-duty police officer at a restaurant across the street from the ad spotted two men trying to set it on fire, just a few days after law enforcement stopped a family with an extension ladder from pasting a picture of the Nativity over the Saturn image. The two men who tried to torch the sign were never apprehended." Yes, conspiracy! !!! Tin foil is too tight. |
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Quoted: How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards. Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. |
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Quoted: Yes, conspiracy! !!! Tin foil is too tight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? What collusion? I'm dubious of vigor with which the city pursued these cases. "In December 2013, an off-duty police officer at a restaurant across the street from the ad spotted two men trying to set it on fire, just a few days after law enforcement stopped a family with an extension ladder from pasting a picture of the Nativity over the Saturn image. The two men who tried to torch the sign were never apprehended." Yes, conspiracy! !!! Tin foil is too tight. There's a difference between a conspiracy and a tacitly accepted pattern of behavior. |
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Yeah. Jews and Muslims are notoriously overprotective of Christian holidays. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards. Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. Muslims don't care for infidels. Since the billboard promoted atheism, it's not inconceivable. |
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Yeah. That's how we do it in America. If you don't like the message, vandalize private property. Allahu Ackbar. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So the Christians are now blading the other cheek at 45... Good for them. Yeah. That's how we do it in America. If you don't like the message, vandalize private property. Allahu Ackbar. I never said anything about advocating vandalism... They should have found another way to do it, but when anti-Christian groups keep pushing and pushing , well, you're probably gonna see some push back after some point . Christians take a boot to the keester every time a Christian holiday or event rolls around. Hell, every other religion (and non-religion) gets a friggin pass , but not Christianity...don't say it, don't speak it, don't think it, don't have any token/bauble/book or symbol on your person.... and expect a fine, lawsuit or pink slip if you say anything after a sneeze. Tolerance works both ways. |
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Quoted: Muslims don't care for infidels. Since the billboard promoted atheism, it's not inconceivable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards. Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. Muslims don't care for infidels. Since the billboard promoted atheism, it's not inconceivable. |
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Yeah. That's because no idea you can think of can be inconceivable. Interesting you'd use that word instead of "unlikely" or "improbable." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Let's see. Atheists put up some billboards. Christians repeatedly attempt to vandalize. Owner says Nope, we won't rent them because Christians keep vandalizing. Something to be proud of there, for sure. How do you know they weren't Muslims or Hebrews? Did it state that the people defacing the billboards were Christians? That's quite a leap of faith you have going there. Muslims don't care for infidels. Since the billboard promoted atheism, it's not inconceivable. Don't get all butt hurt because you can't refute it. So sensitive. |
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Quoted: Prove that it was that. Or as you would say... "Cite" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There's a difference between a conspiracy and a tacitly accepted pattern of behavior. Prove that it was that. Or as you would say... "Cite" If you're going to crib my lines at least use them properly. |
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Quoted: Are you going to back up your statement or not? http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/thumbnail_photos/2012/October/tinfoil_hat.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's a difference between a conspiracy and a tacitly accepted pattern of behavior. Prove that it was that. Or as you would say... "Cite" If you're going to crib my lines at least use them properly. Are you going to back up your statement or not? http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/thumbnail_photos/2012/October/tinfoil_hat.jpg When did ARFCOM get a webcam option? I made a statement *opinion*, which you've snipped out. Where did I state a *fact* that requires verification? Like I said, if you're going to do this, at least do it right. |
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All the while, agnostics still dont give a shit.
atheist/theist purse swinging, how droll. |
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When did ARFCOM get a webcam option? I made a statement *opinion*, which you've snipped out. Where did I state a *fact* that requires verification? Like I said, if you're going to do this, at least do it right. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Christians need to stop being pushovers, good for them and anti-theists can be butt hurt all they want. Christians can only be fed to the lions so many times before they start fighting back against the haters, because they want to burn the churches next. What part of getting away with vandalism due to government collusion is being a pushover? |
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Atheist are worse than Liberals. How so? No shit. How so indeed? Fellas, why ask a question when you know there is zero chance of receiving a cogent response? It's an exercise in futility. |
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