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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:29:20 PM EDT
They're comic book movies.
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I'm going to laugh at you when the Pentagon reveals their Iron Man prototype suit.
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Comic book movies can be broken down even further.
Weird Western Space Western Sci Fi Western Sci Fi Roman Weird Roman Space Roman You get the idea, the list just goes on and on and on. If some one wants to label some of them as science fiction, it doesn't bother me. I live in a universe where the first great starship captain was played by Leslie Nielsen. Or, at least I used to, no one around me believes it now. |
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Quoted: I'm going to laugh at you when the Pentagon reveals their Iron Man prototype suit. View Quote I don't mind being laughed at. I'm happy to bring some levity to the world. Iron Man suits will never work because the idea of embedding a power source in a man's chest is dumber than dumb. |
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Quoted: You get the idea, the list just goes on and on and on. If some one wants to label some of them as science fiction, it doesn't bother me. I live in a universe where the first great starship captain was played by Leslie Nielsen. Or, at least I used to, no one around me believes it now. View Quote Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. |
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Roman:Dragons Comic Books? (sipping drink in disgust) Dragons Comic books are fantasy. There's
magical talismans' or a magic sword, or wizards, or fucking crazy, not real animals. All these basic things that break the laws of reality; that shits all fantasy. I'm into hard sci fi, fantasy is all bullshit. |
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Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You get the idea, the list just goes on and on and on. If some one wants to label some of them as science fiction, it doesn't bother me. I live in a universe where the first great starship captain was played by Leslie Nielsen. Or, at least I used to, no one around me believes it now. Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. You do realize from the Iron Monger, War Machine, Iron Patriot armors it does not have to be in the operator's chest but integrated into the suit itself? |
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I don't remember Leslie Nielsen having any magical powers.
I do find it strange that 3 of the early starship commanders were Canadians. This trend now seems to have broken down. |
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Quoted: You do realize from the Iron Monger, War Machine, Iron Patriot armors it does not have to be in the operator's chest but integrated into the suit itself? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You get the idea, the list just goes on and on and on. If some one wants to label some of them as science fiction, it doesn't bother me. I live in a universe where the first great starship captain was played by Leslie Nielsen. Or, at least I used to, no one around me believes it now. Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. You do realize from the Iron Monger, War Machine, Iron Patriot armors it does not have to be in the operator's chest but integrated into the suit itself? Yes. Also, forearm mounted tank missiles exceed the energy density of any known conventional explosive. |
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Quoted: Roman:Dragons Comic Books? (sipping drink in disgust) Dragons Comic books are fantasy. There's magical talismans' or a magic sword, or wizards, or fucking crazy, not real animals. All these basic things that break the laws of reality; that shits all fantasy. I'm into hard sci fi, fantasy is all bullshit. View Quote It is indeed. The last capt. america movie, the winter soldier, was supposed to be good. The action was as silly as that first hobbit movie. The plot was idiotic. We didn't even get to see scarlet's tits. I couldn't figure out the point of watching it. |
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Yeah, but they sometimes throw in some scientific words and/or vaguely possible theories, which plants them right into SciFi land, right alongside INTERSTELLAR!!!
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You get the idea, the list just goes on and on and on. If some one wants to label some of them as science fiction, it doesn't bother me. I live in a universe where the first great starship captain was played by Leslie Nielsen. Or, at least I used to, no one around me believes it now. Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. You do realize from the Iron Monger, War Machine, Iron Patriot armors it does not have to be in the operator's chest but integrated into the suit itself? Yes. Also, forearm mounted tank missiles exceed the energy density of any known conventional explosive. So therefore it's magic? You would have been a hoot in the 1600s. |
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Quoted: So therefore it's magic? You would have been a hoot in the 1600s. View Quote Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Except in comic movie's case, they are saying that DNA mutations allow a person to violate every thermodynamic relationship in existence. |
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Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You get the idea, the list just goes on and on and on. If some one wants to label some of them as science fiction, it doesn't bother me. I live in a universe where the first great starship captain was played by Leslie Nielsen. Or, at least I used to, no one around me believes it now. Magical powers are not science. These comic book characters are reiterations of greek gods doing wacky shit for mindless viewers. Who pissed in your oatmeal? Some of the comic book movies have been very, very good. If you didn't appreciate them, it's on you. |
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All stories are fiction unless you lived it. No one or two will tell the same.
Its all fiction. When i tell you my story without a witness its fiction. |
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It is indeed. The last capt. america movie, the winter soldier, was supposed to be good. The action was as silly as that first hobbit movie. The plot was idiotic. We didn't even get to see scarlet's tits. I couldn't figure out the point of watching it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Roman:Dragons Comic Books? (sipping drink in disgust) Dragons Comic books are fantasy. There's magical talismans' or a magic sword, or wizards, or fucking crazy, not real animals. All these basic things that break the laws of reality; that shits all fantasy. I'm into hard sci fi, fantasy is all bullshit. It is indeed. The last capt. america movie, the winter soldier, was supposed to be good. The action was as silly as that first hobbit movie. The plot was idiotic. We didn't even get to see scarlet's tits. I couldn't figure out the point of watching it. Yeah, you have no taste in movies, dude. Sorry. Someone had to tell you. |
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Quoted: You realize that in most hard scifi, almost ALL of the facets of technology exceed their known equivalents? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes. Also, forearm mounted tank missiles exceed the energy density of any known conventional explosive. You realize that in most hard scifi, almost ALL of the facets of technology exceed their known equivalents? Yes, but it needs a backstory. If they would have shown Stark solving the problems of charged isomer explosives, then I would allow tank missiles to be sciency. But then he could just make a few dozen of them and vaporize his enemies in one shot. The explosive tech would become the focus of the government's interest in him because it would allow them to destroy things on a large scale without the stigma of nuclear weapons. It would be a game changa. |
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Yes, but it needs a backstory. If they would have shown Stark solving the problems of charged isomer explosives, then I would allow tank missiles to be sciency. But then he could just make a few dozen of them and vaporize his enemies in one shot. The explosive tech would become the focus of the government's interest in him because it would allow them to destroy things on a large scale without the stigma of nuclear weapons. It would be a game changa. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes. Also, forearm mounted tank missiles exceed the energy density of any known conventional explosive. You realize that in most hard scifi, almost ALL of the facets of technology exceed their known equivalents? Yes, but it needs a backstory. If they would have shown Stark solving the problems of charged isomer explosives, then I would allow tank missiles to be sciency. But then he could just make a few dozen of them and vaporize his enemies in one shot. The explosive tech would become the focus of the government's interest in him because it would allow them to destroy things on a large scale without the stigma of nuclear weapons. It would be a game changa. They also never once showed him dropping a deuce during one of the films. Are you equally frustrated at his ability to completely negate basic bodily fuctions? |
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I can always rely on you for an honest assessment. However, I disagree. All I ask for is clear character motivations and a plot that makes sense. I don't think that's too burdensome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah, you have no taste in movies, dude. Sorry. Someone had to tell you. I can always rely on you for an honest assessment. However, I disagree. All I ask for is clear character motivations and a plot that makes sense. I don't think that's too burdensome. The motivation is there, you just won't see it...and none are so blind as those will not see. |
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Yes, but it needs a backstory. If they would have shown Stark solving the problems of charged isomer explosives, then I would allow tank missiles to be sciency. But then he could just make a few dozen of them and vaporize his enemies in one shot. The explosive tech would become the focus of the government's interest in him because it would allow them to destroy things on a large scale without the stigma of nuclear weapons. It would be a game changa. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes. Also, forearm mounted tank missiles exceed the energy density of any known conventional explosive. You realize that in most hard scifi, almost ALL of the facets of technology exceed their known equivalents? Yes, but it needs a backstory. If they would have shown Stark solving the problems of charged isomer explosives, then I would allow tank missiles to be sciency. But then he could just make a few dozen of them and vaporize his enemies in one shot. The explosive tech would become the focus of the government's interest in him because it would allow them to destroy things on a large scale without the stigma of nuclear weapons. It would be a game changa. No, it does not need a back story. Having a back story for every bit of tech is just bad storytelling. The important tech that is pivotal to the story line, yes. Everything else no. Was everything about all parts of the tech in Foundation or Dune explained? Fuck no it wasnt. There was tons of stuff not explained by The Big Three (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein) , because you DONT need to know it for the story to be progressed. In Ironman, the important part was explained, the arc reactor. We ALREADY know, he was an established weapons engineer. Is it really that hard for you to think, "hrrmmm... maybe Tony made a missile that can create an "arc pulse" greatly increasing yield over conventional chemical reactions." Aka like almost all weapon systems. Uncontrolled/unsustained energy release. |
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[ComicBookGuy]Graphic novels are not comic books, per se...[/CBG]
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Quoted: No, it does not need a back story. Having a back story for every bit of tech is just bad storytelling. The important tech that is pivotal to the story line, yes. Everything else no. Was everything about all parts of the tech in Foundation or Dune explained? Fuck no it wasnt. There was tons of stuff not explained by The Big Three (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein) , because you DONT need to know it for the story to be progressed. In Ironman, the important part was explained, the arc reactor. We ALREADY know, he was an established weapons engineer. Is it really that hard for you to think, "hrrmmm... maybe Tony made a missile that can create an "arc pulse" greatly increasing yield over conventional chemical reactions." Aka like almost all weapon systems. Uncontrolled/unsustained energy release. View Quote Oh, I see. Magic electric generator explains everything. |
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Oh, I see. Magic electric generator explains everything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No, it does not need a back story. Having a back story for every bit of tech is just bad storytelling. The important tech that is pivotal to the story line, yes. Everything else no. Was everything about all parts of the tech in Foundation or Dune explained? Fuck no it wasnt. There was tons of stuff not explained by The Big Three (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein) , because you DONT need to know it for the story to be progressed. In Ironman, the important part was explained, the arc reactor. We ALREADY know, he was an established weapons engineer. Is it really that hard for you to think, "hrrmmm... maybe Tony made a missile that can create an "arc pulse" greatly increasing yield over conventional chemical reactions." Aka like almost all weapon systems. Uncontrolled/unsustained energy release. Oh, I see. Magic electric generator explains everything. So it's not even enough if there is a back story it has to be a technologically feasible one too? |
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No, it does not need a back story. Having a back story for every bit of tech is just bad storytelling. The important tech that is pivotal to the story line, yes. Everything else no. Was everything about all parts of the tech in Foundation or Dune explained? Fuck no it wasnt. There was tons of stuff not explained by The Big Three (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein) , because you DONT need to know it for the story to be progressed. In Ironman, the important part was explained, the arc reactor. We ALREADY know, he was an established weapons engineer. Is it really that hard for you to think, "hrrmmm... maybe Tony made a missile that can create an "arc pulse" greatly increasing yield over conventional chemical reactions." Aka like almost all weapon systems. Uncontrolled/unsustained energy release. Oh, I see. Magic electric generator explains everything. It has as much back story as anything from The Big Three, which DEFINED the scifi genre, that you are bitching Ironman doesnt belong in. As an Electrical Engineer with published graduate work in robotics, I think Asimov's explanation of the Singularity is shit. It's clearly just magical hoohaa with not enough back story. Therefor Asimov is a fantasy writer. |
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I can always rely on you for an honest assessment. However, I disagree. All I ask for is clear character motivations and a plot that makes sense. I don't think that's too burdensome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah, you have no taste in movies, dude. Sorry. Someone had to tell you. I can always rely on you for an honest assessment. However, I disagree. All I ask for is clear character motivations and a plot that makes sense. I don't think that's too burdensome. He fights bad guys. The end. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But they sell tickets. Ayn Rand's Anthem ring a bell? No, sorry. Is that her effort at writing schlock to cash in? I don't have an opinion on that book. |
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Quoted: So it's not even enough if there is a back story it has to be a technologically feasible one too? View Quote If by that you mean "doesn't violate known physics principles", then yes. There is no back story to the tank missile though. For a story to have a conflict, there has to be some internally consistent set of rules. Comic book movies regularly ignore this basic part of storytelling. And if there's no reason to have a conflict, then the resolution is pointless. Science fiction movies work because they imagine a bit of technology and then explore the consequences. |
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Quoted: It has as much back story as anything from The Big Three, which DEFINED the scifi genre, that you are bitching Ironman doesnt belong in. As an Electrical Engineer with published graduate work in robotics, I think Asimov's explanation of the Singularity is shit. It's clearly just magical hoohaa with not enough back story. Therefor Asimov is a fantasy writer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it does not need a back story. Having a back story for every bit of tech is just bad storytelling. The important tech that is pivotal to the story line, yes. Everything else no. Was everything about all parts of the tech in Foundation or Dune explained? Fuck no it wasnt. There was tons of stuff not explained by The Big Three (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein) , because you DONT need to know it for the story to be progressed. In Ironman, the important part was explained, the arc reactor. We ALREADY know, he was an established weapons engineer. Is it really that hard for you to think, "hrrmmm... maybe Tony made a missile that can create an "arc pulse" greatly increasing yield over conventional chemical reactions." Aka like almost all weapon systems. Uncontrolled/unsustained energy release. Oh, I see. Magic electric generator explains everything. It has as much back story as anything from The Big Three, which DEFINED the scifi genre, that you are bitching Ironman doesnt belong in. As an Electrical Engineer with published graduate work in robotics, I think Asimov's explanation of the Singularity is shit. It's clearly just magical hoohaa with not enough back story. Therefor Asimov is a fantasy writer. You're missing the point of why I brought up tank missile. You can't have a scifi plot that is driven by technological ability and then just ignore the effects that some of said tech would have on the story. There's a word I'm looking for.....oh yeah, contrived. |
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You're missing the point of why I brought up tank missile. You can't have a scifi plot that is driven by technological ability and then just ignore the effects that some of said tech would have on the story. There's a word I'm looking for.....oh yeah, contrived. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No, it does not need a back story. Having a back story for every bit of tech is just bad storytelling. The important tech that is pivotal to the story line, yes. Everything else no. Was everything about all parts of the tech in Foundation or Dune explained? Fuck no it wasnt. There was tons of stuff not explained by The Big Three (Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein) , because you DONT need to know it for the story to be progressed. In Ironman, the important part was explained, the arc reactor. We ALREADY know, he was an established weapons engineer. Is it really that hard for you to think, "hrrmmm... maybe Tony made a missile that can create an "arc pulse" greatly increasing yield over conventional chemical reactions." Aka like almost all weapon systems. Uncontrolled/unsustained energy release. Oh, I see. Magic electric generator explains everything. It has as much back story as anything from The Big Three, which DEFINED the scifi genre, that you are bitching Ironman doesnt belong in. As an Electrical Engineer with published graduate work in robotics, I think Asimov's explanation of the Singularity is shit. It's clearly just magical hoohaa with not enough back story. Therefor Asimov is a fantasy writer. You're missing the point of why I brought up tank missile. You can't have a scifi plot that is driven by technological ability and then just ignore the effects that some of said tech would have on the story. There's a word I'm looking for.....oh yeah, contrived. The suits themselves are unbalancing in the world. But much to some other people in his company's chagrin he won't sell weapons anymore. So until someone steals one of the missiles they are his alone. |
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Anyone else never read a comic book, have no interest in reading comic books......but love the Marvel movies? Or is that just me?
I was told that's kinda half-assed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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If by that you mean "doesn't violate known physics principles", then yes. There is no back story to the tank missile though. For a story to have a conflict, there has to be some internally consistent set of rules. Comic book movies regularly ignore this basic part of storytelling. And if there's no reason to have a conflict, then the resolution is pointless. Science fiction movies work because they imagine a bit of technology and then explore the consequences. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So it's not even enough if there is a back story it has to be a technologically feasible one too? If by that you mean "doesn't violate known physics principles", then yes. There is no back story to the tank missile though. For a story to have a conflict, there has to be some internally consistent set of rules. Comic book movies regularly ignore this basic part of storytelling. And if there's no reason to have a conflict, then the resolution is pointless. Science fiction movies work because they imagine a bit of technology and then explore the consequences. Okay, lets play your game then. Rattle off some examples of movies like you are talking about. |
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Anyone else never read a comic book, have no interest in reading comic books......but love the Marvel movies? Or is that just me? I was told that's kinda half-assed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Me. They are just fun movies that are executed well. The Avengers was just a good 2 hours of entertainment. The DC movies are not interesting to me. |
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So it's not even enough if there is a back story it has to be a technologically feasible one too? If by that you mean "doesn't violate known physics principles", then yes. There is no back story to the tank missile though. For a story to have a conflict, there has to be some internally consistent set of rules. Comic book movies regularly ignore this basic part of storytelling. And if there's no reason to have a conflict, then the resolution is pointless. Science fiction movies work because they imagine a bit of technology and then explore the consequences. Okay, lets play your game then. Rattle off some examples of movies like you are talking about. Tom Clancy films. |
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