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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:09:48 PM EDT
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Good thing we have an abundance of uranium in this system.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:13:15 PM EDT
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Yeah, like facts are going to change anyone's mind on the other side...
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:13:47 PM EDT
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2 audits, coming up!
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing we have an abundance of uranium in this system. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:15:59 PM EDT
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LOL they dont know what they are talking about. Al Gore is the true subject matter expert, google should hire him, and not these PhDs
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:16:23 PM EDT
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I doubt its impossible but I still could give 2 shits
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:17:37 PM EDT
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Maybe we can get those same guys to debunk 'global warming' nonsense.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:18:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that renewables will never permit the human race to cut CO2 emissions to the levels demanded by climate activists. Whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible. Both men are Stanford PhDs, Ross Koningstein having trained in aerospace engineering and David Fork in applied physics. These aren’t guys who fiddle about with websites or data analytics or "technology” of that sort: they are real engineers who understand difficult maths and physics, and top-bracket even among that distinguished company. The duo were employed at Google on the RE<C project, which sought to enhance renewable technology to the point where it could produce energy more cheaply than coal. RE<C was a failure, and Google closed it down after four years. Now, Koningstein and Fork have explained the conclusions they came to after a lengthy period of applying their considerable technological expertise to renewables, in an article posted at IEEE Spectrum. Link. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:20:38 PM EDT
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Right, and the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around us.
Impossible and never are pretty bold words.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:26:36 PM EDT
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Just put Dianne Feinstein on a treadmill with a gun dangling just out of reach.
She'll keep going forward trying to grab it, unlimited energy. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:30:29 PM EDT
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Who didn't already know that?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:40:16 PM EDT
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I doubt its impossible but I still could give 2 shits Those 2 shits could be used to power the poop bus.. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:44:31 PM EDT
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also Google related:
... the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, backed by $1.6 billion in federal loan guarantees, co-owned by Google isn't producing the power expected. Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:46:36 PM EDT
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Lol, well no shit.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:48:48 PM EDT
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The clean renewable energy they are looking for already exist. Its this exiting shit called "NUCLEAR" energy.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 audits, coming up! |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:50:24 PM EDT
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2 audits, coming up! Lol 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:58:46 PM EDT
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Just put Dianne Feinstein on a treadmill with a gun dangling just out of reach. She'll keep going forward trying to grab it, unlimited energy. "A" for effort. "D+" for energy conversion. I did some energy conversion calculations in the MH370 thread, and although human beings turned out have a surprisingly high MJ/kg energy value, it wasn't on par with fossil fuels ... same holds true for the stuff we eat. I know this doesn't make sense right now, but if you read that thread, the context makes it all sound a just a little bit less crazy. A little bit. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:58:53 PM EDT
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Who didn't already know that? Obvious is obvious......unless you are a liberal........... |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:01:04 PM EDT
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People: Stop taking up residence near the oceans.
Now GW doesn't matter. Let 'em melt. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:03:49 PM EDT
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People can be amazingly short sighted as to how advanced tech can get and how quickly. Just look how far we have come in the last 100 years or so. She we still had horses going down the main streets of NYC a little over 100 years ago. Our cell phones have more computing power than all of NASA during the moon landing. We have more information at our fingertips than the largest library from a few hundred years ago.Shit 150 years ago one of our main fuels was WHALE OIL.
It's going to look even more amazing 100 years from now. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:05:56 PM EDT
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Needs more nuclear.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:06:12 PM EDT
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Photovoltaic produced power is a pipe dream at this point. It's useful in its own ways but can't touch hydrocarbons like coal.
That said, it could come a loooooong way if efficiency from sunlight was even close to 50%. The liberals (California) just love to push the agenda of CO2 and global warming and anti-coal. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:08:38 PM EDT
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What if we put the earth on a treadmill?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:12:52 PM EDT
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People: Stop taking up residence near the oceans. Now GW doesn't matter. Let 'em melt. Good fucking luck with that, water is life for humanity. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:12:54 PM EDT
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Sure it's doable.
They just have to kill off 95% of the world population first. And no, you won't be one of the 5%. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:14:10 PM EDT
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Industrial output is not the cause, it is caused by the root source, which is a function of human population. See people like the President's "science czar" who have stated that human population has to decline substantially.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:14:45 PM EDT
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From the Ivanpah article above:
"“For some aspects of operation, the only way to fully understand how the systems work has been through the experience of operating,” plant owners wrote in the request to increase gas use." Does that sound like "You have to pass the bill (Obamacare) to know what's in it." |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:15:54 PM EDT
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From the Ivanpah article above: "“For some aspects of operation, the only way to fully understand how the systems work has been through the experience of operating,” plant owners wrote in the request to increase gas use." Does that sound like "You have to pass the bill (Obamacare) to know what's in it." No |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:17:12 PM EDT
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This sounds like right-wing propaganda.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:30:23 PM EDT
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There are cheap ways to cool the planet.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:31:16 PM EDT
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we could coat the world in solar panels, dam every river, and put up wind mills between the solar arrays, and we would still not have enough energy or a place to live.
But if we cut the population a down a few billion it might be possible. whose up for WW3 |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:36:37 PM EDT
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People can be amazingly short sighted as to how advanced tech can get and how quickly. Just look how far we have come in the last 100 years or so. She we still had horses going down the main streets of NYC a little over 100 years ago. Our cell phones have more computing power than all of NASA during the moon landing. We have more information at our fingertips than the largest library from a few hundred years ago.Shit 150 years ago one of our main fuels was WHALE OIL. It's going to look even more amazing 100 years from now. I hope you are right... But I know that "amazing" won't be powered by windmills. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:53:19 PM EDT
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Who didn't already know that? A lot of us had an inkling, but hadn't done all the math considering all of the costs. Like the article said, you'd have to consider all of the manufacturing and transportation, and the costs in all that, just to get an adequate amount of renewables in place. It would end up like the snake eating its own tail. The answer is cheap abundant energy, one that's carbon free (if you care about that shit)... NUCLEAR. It has to be. There's no way around it. There is no energy source that is dense enough that can satisfy demand in all of its types. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:01:05 PM EDT
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Conservative, hick, hayseed, inbred, flat-earthers.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:01:08 PM EDT
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So we can dismiss ALL renewable energy? Really?!? Solar, wind, tidal, biogas, and geothermal all have the same limitations and can't be scaled?
Sorry OP, that doesn't make much sense. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:04:56 PM EDT
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:08:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, like facts are going to change anyone's mind on the other side... This. I used to laugh at the old Nazi quote about how people would believe big lies if you told them long enough. The Global Warming scheme shattered my illusion of the big lie tactic. The people buying into this are truly delusional. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:08:53 PM EDT
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money. Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:09:03 PM EDT
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Fusion?
Very possible sooner or later, depending on who you believe. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:14:08 PM EDT
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Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money. Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Yeah, it really is. There will be no large scale dams ever built again. What we have is all we'll ever have. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:21:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, it really is. There will be no large scale dams ever built again. What we have is all we'll ever have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money. Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Yeah, it really is. There will be no large scale dams ever built again. What we have is all we'll ever have. Dams and the reservoir of water behind them create recreation, water during dry times, a way to prevent massive flooding down stream. Yep you are right no more will be built. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:21:39 PM EDT
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Yeah, it really is. There will be no large scale dams ever built again. What we have is all we'll ever have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money. Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Yeah, it really is. There will be no large scale dams ever built again. What we have is all we'll ever have. Guess we can go ahead and tear all the existing ones down. After all, renewable energy simply doesn't work. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:25:21 PM EDT
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Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money. Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that we've built about all the hydroelectric that is reasonably productive and/or the environmentalist will allow us to build. In fact, if the decision was being made today under current environmental regulation a great deal of the hydro we have now would not exist. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:26:01 PM EDT
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So we can dismiss ALL renewable energy? Really?!? Solar, wind, tidal, biogas, and geothermal all have the same limitations and can't be scaled? Sorry OP, that doesn't make much sense. Solar water heating has one of the quickest payback period of any renewable energy, especially when used in appropriate climate settings. It doesn't get near the press anything else does. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:26:47 PM EDT
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Guess we can go ahead and tear all the existing ones down. After all, renewable energy simply doesn't work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Renewable energy is the snake oil of the new millennium. Just separating the fools from their money. Yeah! Hydroelectric is a pipe dream. Yeah, it really is. There will be no large scale dams ever built again. What we have is all we'll ever have. Guess we can go ahead and tear all the existing ones down. After all, renewable energy simply doesn't work. I live near a site that was supposed to get a dam and very nice reservoir about 30 some odd years ago. Some stupid minnow caused the project to be scrapped. 
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:27:49 PM EDT
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People can be amazingly short sighted as to how advanced tech can get and how quickly. Just look how far we have come in the last 100 years or so. She we still had horses going down the main streets of NYC a little over 100 years ago. Our cell phones have more computing power than all of NASA during the moon landing. We have more information at our fingertips than the largest library from a few hundred years ago.Shit 150 years ago one of our main fuels was WHALE OIL. It's going to look even more amazing 100 years from now. 100 years ago, we had electric cars, they sucked, not because they didn't work, but because the energy contained in a gallon of gas or diesel was much more easily contained, transported, and stored and normal temp extremes didn't really affect the storage. [like a battery] |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:27:52 PM EDT
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Now if these top engineers would get of their ass and build a fusion reactor the size of a home A/C unit.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:27:54 PM EDT
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It's quite arrogant to say that something is impossible. Consider the droves and droves of intelligent people who have been, and continue to be proven wrong as technology advances. Also consider Clarke's three laws.
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that ... something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. 2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. 3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we can dismiss ALL renewable energy? Really?!? Solar, wind, tidal, biogas, and geothermal all have the same limitations and can't be scaled? Sorry OP, that doesn't make much sense. Try reading the article. |
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