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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:57:37 PM EDT
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That's it?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:58:03 PM EDT
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What a load of bullshit.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:59:17 PM EDT
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident
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Posted: 10/24/2014 12:59:52 PM EDT
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Has to serve two days in jail on the anniversary of the passing of the victim? That is a strange sentence. Is something like that normal?
I have heard of sentences that are served only on weekends, but nothing like that. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:00:29 PM EDT
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident this |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:00:48 PM EDT
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident This. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:00:57 PM EDT
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2 days??? geez how will he survive.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:02:09 PM EDT
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Has to serve two days in jail on the anniversary of the passing of the victim? That is a strange sentence. Is something like that normal? I have heard of sentences that are served only on weekends, but nothing like that. Jail time over a traffic offense isn't normal at all I would think. Gonna guess that all the upset folks are bikers. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:02:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident Is this sort of thing normally not charged?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:02:55 PM EDT
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident this No kidding. Criminal charges should be reserved for criminal acts.
Sad as it is, motorcyclists need to realize they are small and tend to be overlooked in the landscape. Ride at extreme risk only. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:03:33 PM EDT
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Failure to yield resulting in the death of another motorist. Is this sort of thing normally not charged? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident Is this sort of thing normally not charged? Criminally? Of course not--"failure to yield" citation. Edit: *Absent circumstances such as under the influence. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Failure to yield resulting in the death of another motorist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident Is this sort of thing normally not charged? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:08:27 PM EDT
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Kill someone because of your negligence, should just get a traffic citation.
the people in this thread.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:09:42 PM EDT
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Failure to yield resulting in the death of another motorist. Is this sort of thing normally not charged? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident Is this sort of thing normally not charged? No, it's not, minus any aggravating factors. It's a death resulting from a traffic accident and the driver certainly faces civil liability but not criminal. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:11:02 PM EDT
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Kill someone because of your negligence, should just get a traffic citation. the people in this thread.What is there to be gained by criminal action against the old guy? Accidents happen when we interact with one another in ways which involve physics. He made it 83 years without engaging in criminal conduct, and this was likely a <common occurrence> oversight. Drive accordingly, and if you are smart, avoid riding motorcycles. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:11:03 PM EDT
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Kill someone because of your negligence, should just get a traffic citation. the people in this thread.People die in traffic accidents everyday. People cause traffic accidents that end people's lives everyday. Plenty of people don't get charged. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:12:20 PM EDT
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Kill someone because of your negligence, should just get a traffic citation. the people in this thread.
How many people die in traffic accidents each year? You think the courts are trying them all as manslaughter cases? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:13:24 PM EDT
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If it was an accident involving two cars it might not have been more than a fender bender, followed by a ticket for the old guy.
Why does the same offense become so much more offensive when it involves a much more dangerous vehicle (motorcycle)? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:16:23 PM EDT
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Kill someone because of your negligence, should just get a traffic citation. the people in this thread.You charge everyone with criminal assault when they hit your car? Vandalism? Destruction of private property? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:19:09 PM EDT
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If it was an accident involving two cars it might not have been more than a fender bender, followed by a ticket for the old guy. Why does the same offense become so much more offensive when it involves a much more dangerous vehicle (motorcycle)? Because the "education" system of today doesn't teach kids anything about how the world works, let alone anything else useful. "Susie has two mommies" only prepares them to be agendized, not to actually know anything useful. ::shrug:: |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:20:30 PM EDT
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Because the "education" system of today doesn't teach kids anything about how the world works, let alone anything else useful. "Susie has two mommies" only prepares them to be agendized, not to actually know anything useful. ::shrug:: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it was an accident involving two cars it might not have been more than a fender bender, followed by a ticket for the old guy. Why does the same offense become so much more offensive when it involves a much more dangerous vehicle (motorcycle)? Because the "education" system of today doesn't teach kids anything about how the world works, let alone anything else useful. "Susie has two mommies" only prepares them to be agendized, not to actually know anything useful. ::shrug:: Sadly, this is accurate. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:21:21 PM EDT
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The light was green? Why did the motorcyclist hit him? What were their respective speeds?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:21:34 PM EDT
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Maybe making negligence subject to increased punishment will make people less negligent. It seems to have worked for DUIs.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:22:06 PM EDT
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No kidding. Criminal charges should be reserved for criminal acts.
Sad as it is, motorcyclists need to realize they are small and tend to be overlooked in the landscape. Ride at extreme risk only. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident this No kidding. Criminal charges should be reserved for criminal acts.
Sad as it is, motorcyclists need to realize they are small and tend to be overlooked in the landscape. Ride at extreme risk only. Sounds like you're making excuses for motorists who are not vigilant or responsible enough to pay attention and see a motorcyclist. Just saying. ETA: Old dude facing charges is though.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The light was green? Why did the motorcyclist hit him? What were their respective speeds? They both had greens. The elderly mans was an unprotected green for turning, IE yield to oncoming traffic, he didn't. No report on speeds.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is there to be gained by criminal action against the old guy? Accidents happen when we interact with one another in ways which involve physics. He made it 83 years without engaging in criminal conduct, and this was likely a <common occurrence> oversight. Drive accordingly, and if you are smart, avoid riding motorcycles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kill someone because of your negligence, should just get a traffic citation. the people in this thread.What is there to be gained by criminal action against the old guy? Accidents happen when we interact with one another in ways which involve physics. He made it 83 years without engaging in criminal conduct, and this was likely a <common occurrence> oversight. Drive accordingly, and if you are smart, avoid riding motorcycles.  |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:25:45 PM EDT
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Huh this is local to me and I am fairly plugged into the "motorcycle culture" , this is the first i have heard of it
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:27:02 PM EDT
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Sounds like you're making excuses for motorists who are not vigilant or responsible enough to pay attention and see a motorcyclist. Just saying. ETA: Old dude facing charges is though.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident this No kidding. Criminal charges should be reserved for criminal acts.
Sad as it is, motorcyclists need to realize they are small and tend to be overlooked in the landscape. Ride at extreme risk only. Sounds like you're making excuses for motorists who are not vigilant or responsible enough to pay attention and see a motorcyclist. Just saying. ETA: Old dude facing charges is though.The motorcycle had right of way for sure, but the chance of death in an auto accident goes up like a rocket when you chose to ride a motorcycle. People will do incorrect things in traffic. Riding free of the confines of us "cagers" means accepting the much higher threat of serious injury in an accident. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:28:54 PM EDT
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If the old man had shitty eye sight (not a legal term) then perhaps he should have known the risk his driving was causing. Vehicular negligent homicide around here.
Edit: The above further assumes the old man pulled directly into the path of the suicycle. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it was an accident involving two cars it might not have been more than a fender bender, followed by a ticket for the old guy. Why does the same offense become so much more offensive when it involves a much more dangerous vehicle (motorcycle)? Almost everything is based on the consequences of the action, not the action itself, shouldn't this not be the same way? If I start a fire in a no burn area it is going to be a simple ticket. If I start a fire in a no burn area and it goes out of control into a wild fire... I am looking at a lot more than a ticket. Why is my punishment different, if my offense was the same? I believe consequences should be based on the results of our actions, but apparently it doesn't work that way in this case. I am sure the family of the 26 year old take comfort in knowing this man should have just received a ticket for failure to yield.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:30:59 PM EDT
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If your negligence on the road causes the death of another why the hell shouldn't you be held responsible? Whether it was another car, motorcycle, or pedestrian.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:31:05 PM EDT
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100 hours of community service for a 83 year old ???
What are you going to have him do ? Volunteer at the nursing home pushing old ladies in wheelchairs ? (if he is not in a wheelchair himself)
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:32:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: !00 hours of community service for a 83 year old ??? What are you going to have him do ? Volunteer at the nursing home pushing old ladies in wheelchairs ?So pet some cats, walk some dogs, pick up some poop.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:32:41 PM EDT
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The judge doesn't like motorcycles.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:33:25 PM EDT
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Unless he did it on purpose or otherwise had some sort of malicious intent, I'm actually surprised there were criminal charges. It was an accident.
And I say this as a motorcyclist. Shit happens. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:34:16 PM EDT
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If your negligence on the road causes the death of another why the hell shouldn't you be held responsible? Whether it was another car, motorcycle, or pedestrian. He is responsible--civilly.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:36:13 PM EDT
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Unless he did it on purpose or otherwise had some sort of malicious intent, I'm actually surprised there were criminal charges. It was an accident. And I say this as a motorcyclist. Shit happens. Yep. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:37:50 PM EDT
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Key word here is ACCIDENT. I'm sure the man will punish himself mentally more than a court ever could. I know I would.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:40:41 PM EDT
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Almost everything is based on the consequences of the action, not the action itself, shouldn't this not be the same way? If I start a fire in a no burn area it is going to be a simple ticket. If I start a fire in a no burn area and it goes out of control into a wild fire... I am looking at a lot more than a ticket. Why is my punishment different, if my offense was the same? I believe consequences should be based on the results of our actions, but apparently it doesn't work that way in this case. I am sure the family of the 26 year old take comfort in knowing this man should have just received a ticket for failure to yield. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it was an accident involving two cars it might not have been more than a fender bender, followed by a ticket for the old guy. Why does the same offense become so much more offensive when it involves a much more dangerous vehicle (motorcycle)? Almost everything is based on the consequences of the action, not the action itself, shouldn't this not be the same way? If I start a fire in a no burn area it is going to be a simple ticket. If I start a fire in a no burn area and it goes out of control into a wild fire... I am looking at a lot more than a ticket. Why is my punishment different, if my offense was the same? I believe consequences should be based on the results of our actions, but apparently it doesn't work that way in this case. I am sure the family of the 26 year old take comfort in knowing this man should have just received a ticket for failure to yield. So a baseball player hits a foul ball which hits some guy in the head, who later dies, you're saying he needs to be charged with manslaughter or whatever? There's more to the world than outcomes, accidents happen. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:40:49 PM EDT
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If you negligently shoot someone, charges are entirely possible.
I don't see why negligently causing a death with a car should be different. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:40:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your negligence on the road causes the death of another why the hell shouldn't you be held responsible? Whether it was another car, motorcycle, or pedestrian. If I forget to put the tailgate up on my truck and a couch bounces into the road that I was taking to the dump I would say that would generally not be criminal. If I run someone over with my truck when they are crossing the street in a blizzard and I am travelling 100 mph that would be criminal If I am driving old dynamite in the back of my truck and that bounces out into the road and blows someone up, that would be criminal
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:41:13 PM EDT
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38 replies and nobody has called the old man a cager. All the resident squids must still be sleeping.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:43:14 PM EDT
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Key word here is ACCIDENT. I'm sure the man will punish himself mentally more than a court ever could. I know I would. I'll use the firearm analogy here, too. It was a negligent accident (assuming the bike was doing the speed limit). Why would one negligence (improper operation of a car) be OK and another negligence (shooting of another person, unintentionally) be a crime under some circumstances? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:43:34 PM EDT
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As a rider, It isnt even shocking anymore. All someone has to do, specially if they are old, is use the "i didnt even see them" and/or "they were going so fast" and at worse they get a citation for failure to yield.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:43:50 PM EDT
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Fucking cager!!!.....................what do Navy guys have to do with this?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:44:42 PM EDT
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Two days to a 83 year old is like 6 months to a 26 year old...
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:44:46 PM EDT
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I've ridden motorcycles for the past 42yrs, both personal and on duty.
Traffic wrecks are not criminal acts unless recklessness/under the influence/commission of another crime is proven. Simple poor driving skills are not crimes, we don't have enough jails for that. Don't know the facts of this case but it seems unusual he got convicted of a crime. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:45:30 PM EDT
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If you negligently shoot someone, charges are entirely possible. I don't see why negligently causing a death with a car should be different. I agree |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a baseball player hits a foul ball which hits some guy in the head, who later dies, you're saying he needs to be charged with manslaughter or whatever? There's more to the world than outcomes, accidents happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If it was an accident involving two cars it might not have been more than a fender bender, followed by a ticket for the old guy. Why does the same offense become so much more offensive when it involves a much more dangerous vehicle (motorcycle)? Almost everything is based on the consequences of the action, not the action itself, shouldn't this not be the same way? If I start a fire in a no burn area it is going to be a simple ticket. If I start a fire in a no burn area and it goes out of control into a wild fire... I am looking at a lot more than a ticket. Why is my punishment different, if my offense was the same? I believe consequences should be based on the results of our actions, but apparently it doesn't work that way in this case. I am sure the family of the 26 year old take comfort in knowing this man should have just received a ticket for failure to yield. So a baseball player hits a foul ball which hits some guy in the head, who later dies, you're saying he needs to be charged with manslaughter or whatever? There's more to the world than outcomes, accidents happen. Is hitting a baseball a violation in of itself? If it is, then yes. Failing to yield a vehicle is a violation whether it results in an accident or not.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:47:17 PM EDT
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Failure to yield resulting in the death of another motorist. Is this sort of thing normally not charged? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda odd that he got any criminal charges over a regular traffic accident Is this sort of thing normally not charged? Not where I'm from unless drugs or alcohol were involved. That's why they are called "accidents". |
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