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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:06:57 AM EDT
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mmmkay
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:08:35 AM EDT
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Ok....
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:08:44 AM EDT
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The BMI index is so oversimplified it is ridiculous, there are MANY other variables that height and weight.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:10:16 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:11:43 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:12:33 AM EDT
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needs moar bodpod
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:23:20 AM EDT
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A good buddy of mine went through CAG selection and OTC at 5'10"/190lbs. That's considered well into the "overweight" category on the BMI chart. BMI is way oversimplified and complete BS.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:23:23 AM EDT
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But what if you are just fat? Sorry, but burgers, beer and pizza taste better than salads, rice cakes and carrot sticks.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:25:26 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. No, that would be a good weight for you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:25:45 AM EDT
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They measure BMI at the health screening we have to do for my employers insurance program. I'm 6'3" and the claim my ideal weight is 165-195. I'm over that now but I was 195 just a few years ago an I can tell if you if i were 30lbs lighter then that I would have looked like a concentration camp victim. Its nonsense. 185-190 maybe but 165? No way.
Its not just that either. They seem to have crazy guide lines for other stuff. They check our blood pressure. I was 120/74. They said I have pre-hypertension?!?! I thought 120/80 was supposed to be normal. I'm below that and they say I have high blood pressure 
Then there is waste circumference. They actually measure your belly. 40" is the cutoff for a "healthy male". It doesn't matter if your a dainty little 5'4" dude or a hulking 6'6" same target. How does that make sense? All of the above, by the way, are metrics for the diagnosis of "metabolic syndrome" which all started being a requirement of our program once Obama care came down the pike. Seems like lots of other programs are doing this now too. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:26:03 AM EDT
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I'm overweight even when I'm at single digit body fat 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:28:44 AM EDT
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I like the old "pinch an inch" guideline.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:34:11 AM EDT
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BMI was intended for measuring populations in studies not individuals. It was never intended to be used the way it is today.
Only reason it is used is because it is stupid easy and cheap.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:34:33 AM EDT
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Bmi is a joke..but if it is good for one thing it is noticing trends of a population.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:34:47 AM EDT
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I just had my work-up for work.
5'6" and 178. I'm built pretty well. Puts my BMI at 29 (19-25 is norm.) This is obese by BMI calculations. I weighed 135 in high school,22 BMI, and looked like an Auschwitz survivor. I'd like to get down to 160 but that still puts me at 26 BMI |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:38:08 AM EDT
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The BMI index is so oversimplified it is ridiculous, there are MANY other variables that height and weight. That's true, but if you're the type to claim BMI is a government conspiracy to make you feel fat.... You're probably just really fucking fat. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:40:01 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Same here - I'm 5'9" and 190 lbs and according to BMI is borderline obese. In my prime after graduating high school I was an exercise freak and weighed in at 185 lbs. Six days a week I would hit the weights for two hours then do cardio for two hours. I was buff and in shape. Now that I'm in my forty's, and don't exercise as much I've got some little love handles but no gut, and my arms, chest (broad shoulders and chest), legs, shoulders, etc. are still muscular (working on a farm and chopping lots of wood will do that for you). Yet according to BMI I should weigh 150-something pounds like a metrosexual pajamaboy waif. BMI and "ideal weight" IMO are total junk science (up there with global warming) and are creating this false illusion that everyone in America is fat/obese (which I guess is ideal if your a government pushing for controls on people's healthcare). |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:43:59 AM EDT
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BMI whining in GD?
Ma baby didn't eat nuffin !!!  |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:52:25 AM EDT
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BMI whining in GD? Ma baby did eat muffin !!!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:53:02 AM EDT
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LOL OP.
BMI should be applied to populations overall to notice a trend, like in America. That said, BMI can be used poorly, like when used towards one person. If you were to apply BMI to me I'm overweight. I'm 5'9, 178lbs, but a 33" waist and I hit the gym 4 times a week. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:54:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:54:50 AM EDT
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My mirror can tell if you're fat or skinny.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:55:06 AM EDT
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/JhsQFXfQyfWeZ40sdgUUpKT1KLDA6hrukzA_h5wPYcGZCJQbJ0AR5bh59vTX3eZVyrmsOg3O_8vdnMJYbsjzFZwZNk6a1OjrQ-8=w591-h443-nc I'm overweight even when I'm at single digit body fat
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:56:02 AM EDT
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BMI whining in GD? Ma baby didn't eat nuffin !!!
There are some people that are legitimately fat, but there are also people who have muscular builds that the bmi calls fat. Even I am at the very high end of the normal range, which is a joke. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:57:33 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. This. 5'9" 260. Yeah. Im overweight but looking at me most would guess low 200s tops. A lot of muscle density |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:01:18 AM EDT
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I love fattie threads.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:01:41 AM EDT
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This. 5'9" 260. Yeah. Im overweight but looking at me most would guess low 200s tops. A lot of muscle density Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. This. 5'9" 260. Yeah. Im overweight but looking at me most would guess low 200s tops. A lot of muscle density I seriously doubt that your muscles are more dense than the average person's. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:05:34 AM EDT
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What happened to percent body fat? You know...the measure that helps differentiate between fat and muscle which is something BMI ignores...
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:07:09 AM EDT
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I just had my work-up for work. 5'6" and 178. I'm built pretty well. Puts my BMI at 29 (19-25 is norm.) This is obese by BMI calculations. I weighed 135 in high school,22 BMI, and looked like an Auschwitz survivor. I'd like to get down to 160 but that still puts me at 26 BMI no its not. obese is a BMI of 31. You're in the "overweight" catagory |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:09:29 AM EDT
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According to the BMI, Tom Cruise is obese,
A couple years ago, when I was training for a marathon and considering signing up for an Ironman, I was running 30-45 miles a week, biking around 130 miles a week and swimming about 6000 yards a week, as well as lifting four days a week. I was 5'10" and around 185lbs with a BF content of around 12% at age 44-45, which according to the doctor is in the excellent range. According to BMI, I was overweight by over 15lbs. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:10:06 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. This. 5'9" 260. Yeah. Im overweight but looking at me most would guess low 200s tops. A lot of muscle density If you're not a fullback in the NFL, I'm guessing you look a lot fatter than you think you do |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:12:13 AM EDT
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What happened to percent body fat? You know...the measure that helps differentiate between fat and muscle which is something BMI ignores... It's not politically expedient when you want to legislate what kids can eat in the lunchroom or what healthcare services you can get. In order to control people's behavior there first must be a problem to address. If there isn't, you manufacture one. I'm sure BMI started out as a benign metric, then the government found "a problem" that fit "their solution." |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:12:50 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. This. 5'9" 260. Yeah. Im overweight but looking at me most would guess low 200s tops. A lot of muscle density If you're not a fullback in the NFL, I'm guessing you look a lot fatter than you think you do 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:13:35 AM EDT
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The days of hitting the gym after work and doing long upper body workouts to bulk up my neck circumference are behind me now. I do not miss them.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:14:43 AM EDT
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I really care what .gov thinks of my weight/height. I'm 6'2'' 220lbs not fat. It's car makers I'm more concerned with. Try to find a compact that'll fit a tall / bigger person. You've gotta start at the midsized sedans and maybe you'll fit OK.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:15:25 AM EDT
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It's not politically expedient when you want to legislate what kids can eat in the lunchroom or what healthcare services you can get. In order to control people's behavior there first must be a problem to address. If there isn't, you manufacture one. I'm sure BMI started out as a benign metric, then the government found "a problem" that fit "their solution." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened to percent body fat? You know...the measure that helps differentiate between fat and muscle which is something BMI ignores... It's not politically expedient when you want to legislate what kids can eat in the lunchroom or what healthcare services you can get. In order to control people's behavior there first must be a problem to address. If there isn't, you manufacture one. I'm sure BMI started out as a benign metric, then the government found "a problem" that fit "their solution." I'm fairly sure if you subjected the population to % body fat testing, the "problem" would still be apparent. Over half the school age kids I see are disgusting fatbodies, not that I'm suggesting federal lunch control is the solution. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:16:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not politically expedient when you want to legislate what kids can eat in the lunchroom or what healthcare services you can get. In order to control people's behavior there first must be a problem to address. If there isn't, you manufacture one. I'm sure BMI started out as a benign metric, then the government found "a problem" that fit "their solution." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happened to percent body fat? You know...the measure that helps differentiate between fat and muscle which is something BMI ignores... It's not politically expedient when you want to legislate what kids can eat in the lunchroom or what healthcare services you can get. In order to control people's behavior there first must be a problem to address. If there isn't, you manufacture one. I'm sure BMI started out as a benign metric, then the government found "a problem" that fit "their solution." I think you're exactly right. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What happened to percent body fat? You know...the measure that helps differentiate between fat and muscle which is something BMI ignores... It's not politically expedient when you want to legislate what kids can eat in the lunchroom or what healthcare services you can get. In order to control people's behavior there first must be a problem to address. If there isn't, you manufacture one. I'm sure BMI started out as a benign metric, then the government found "a problem" that fit "their solution." I'm fairly sure if you subjected the population to % body fat testing, the "problem" would still be apparent. Over half the school age kids I see are disgusting fatbodies, not that I'm suggesting federal lunch control is the solution. There's no doubt there are a lot of fat people. I'm in Colorado which is one of the or the least fat state and I still see it. But I think the BMI nonsense exaggerates the problem and clouds the issue. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:16:39 AM EDT
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Seriously though, the so-called "obesity epidemic" is overblown IMHO. Sure, there are obese people...there always have been. Hell, when I lived in PA in the early 80s, I knew a lot of older people who were obese. Farm kids who would eat like a horse and work like a horse, then go on to play football and then they got out of school and didn't work on the farm or work out with the team but still ate like a horse.
In the high schools where I work, I see a few obese kids, but nowhere near the percentage that's quoted over and over in the news. Even in Wal-Mart, I don't see as many obese people as the news talks about. I think the numbers are, if you'll pardon the pun, inflated. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:16:54 AM EDT
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According to the BMI, Tom Cruise is obese, A couple years ago, when I was training for a marathon and considering signing up for an Ironman, I was running 30-45 miles a week, biking around 130 miles a week and swimming about 6000 yards a week, as well as lifting four days a week. I was 5'10" and around 185lbs with a BF content of around 12% at age 44-45, which according to the doctor is in the excellent range. According to BMI, I was overweight by over 15lbs. BMI doesn't handle folks active athletes very well. That's well known. It seems applicable to you. I question whether it's applicable to the majority of internet users who complain about BMI not being a perfect measure. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:17:37 AM EDT
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I really care what .gov thinks of my weight/height. I'm 6'2'' 220lbs not fat. It's car makers I'm more concerned with. Try to find a compact that'll fit a tall / bigger person. You've gotta start at the midsized sedans and maybe you'll fit OK. My 6'4", 180lb friend fits in his Civic just fine. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:23:27 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. This. 5'9" 260. Yeah. Im overweight but looking at me most would guess low 200s tops. A lot of muscle density If you're not a fullback in the NFL, I'm guessing you look a lot fatter than you think you do he'd also be one of the shorter and heavier fullbacks in the NFL |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:28:21 AM EDT
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Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:30:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. Wow, what is your % body fat? Even based on bioimpedance...doesn't need to be caliper or tank calculated. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:33:41 AM EDT
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Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. No, I write software in the private sector for private sector clients. What I've learned in this industry is that people will bend over backwards to justify the way they are doing things, even when it's nonsensical. Near death at 168 and 5'11"? How do you explain the fact that I've lived just fine at 28 pounds lower than your "OMG I'll die" weight while being all of an inch shorter?
Edit: For comparison, I did one of those impedance body fat tests earlier in the year. 9.7%. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:35:10 AM EDT
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No, I write software in the private sector for private sector clients. What I've learned in this industry is that people will bend over backwards to justify the way they are doing things, even when it's nonsensical. Near death at 168 and 5'11"? How do you explain the fact that I've lived just fine at 28 pounds lower than your "OMG I'll die" weight while being all of an inch shorter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. No, I write software in the private sector for private sector clients. What I've learned in this industry is that people will bend over backwards to justify the way they are doing things, even when it's nonsensical. Near death at 168 and 5'11"? How do you explain the fact that I've lived just fine at 28 pounds lower than your "OMG I'll die" weight while being all of an inch shorter? Because there might be a lot of variety in people? Different bone densities, muscle densities, legt to body length rations, hat size |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:35:51 AM EDT
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Pick any football team. Run the BMI on the players. Tell them they're fat and out of shape. Observe the cleat-prints on your ass as you sail between the goalposts.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:36:33 AM EDT
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I'm 6'4.5" and 220 lbs. I am in shape. 35" waist. My BMI is 26.4. Overweight.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:37:33 AM EDT
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My BMI says I'm obese.
But dat #summitclub doe. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:38:00 AM EDT
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Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. That's not quite true. My son is 17 and is 5'11" and around 170lbs. He's a club swimmer who swims and works out 3 hours a day 5 or 6 days a week and he's not skin and bones. He's very cut and pretty skinny but still very strong. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 10:38:53 AM EDT
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I'm 5'10" and about 220. Yeah I could stand to lose a few pounds, but that chart in the doctors office says I should be no more than 168. Just ain't no way. I wasn't even that in High school over 30 years ago. It's BS. Are you built like a weightlifter? Do you have a large amount of muscle? I'm 5'10 and 140lbs. You can easily be 168, even when ripped. My father is ~5'11 and has consistently weighed ~200lbs for most of his life, but that's because he's been lifting weights religiously and has less fat on him than I do. Let me guess you work for the gov't? You have never seen the guy but you are making assumptions based on what you think you know about muscle mass. I am 5'11 and it would be physically impossible for me to be 168 lbs and healthy. I would be skin and bones and near death. No, I write software in the private sector for private sector clients. What I've learned in this industry is that people will bend over backwards to justify the way they are doing things, even when it's nonsensical. Near death at 168 and 5'11"? How do you explain the fact that I've lived just fine at 28 pounds lower than your "OMG I'll die" weight while being all of an inch shorter? Because there might be a lot of variety in people? Not as much as you think. Our organs are the same size, we need the same amount of blood, etc. Maybe his frame is larger than mine. I've got a friend who took up running a few years back. Shed many, many pounds. He looks a bit odd, because he's broad shouldered and being at marathon weight just doesn't look right on him. But, he's also in great shape and no where near death. I seriously doubt CTM would experience ill health if he was down to 168lbs. It's hyperbolic justification for the way he is. |
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