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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:30:31 AM EDT
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:45:14 AM EDT
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It's a badass ship. Models are available in 1/350 scale. Everyone should build one.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:46:20 AM EDT
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Interesting. The T-AKEs are IPS. Diesel electric vice GT-electric, though. I wonder what voltage the main bus will run. We use 6.6kV and have various step-down load centers scattered about for 480V.
Shore power from a ship to shore takes a lot of infrastructure to support. Even if I had the cables on hand, I would need a way to tie into the grid and transformers to adapt the voltage. My shore power breakers will only allow incoming power, so they would need to be modified. Then, even though I produce 6.6kV, my shore power ties in to the 480V bus. I'm not a lineman, but I thought most shore-grids were set up for 7.2kV or 14.4kV. Someone will be along shortly to correct me on that, I'm sure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:50:09 AM EDT
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Voltage would be one issue, synchronizing it would be the other. That with gas turbine prime mover would not be impossible but would also not be organic.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:52:00 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes.
Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:55:27 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? The newest British type 45 destroyers have IEP |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:56:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 8:58:44 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? doh! Forgot. Did the diesels only charge the batteries and they always ran electric drive even on the surface? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:05:07 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? A couple British RFA ships are electric drive. The T-AKE class dry cargo/ammo ships and the MLPs are also electric drive. Really, I don't see savings on maintenance. We just spend the money on different things and keep an army of tech reps very well-employed. ETA: T2 tankers were turbo-electric drive. USNS Waters is diesel electric, too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:08:51 AM EDT
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Thanks.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:12:14 AM EDT
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The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:16:33 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? Many years ago Diesel Electric tugboats were very common. Most modern cruise ships are also Diesel electric azapoidal drive. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:19:53 AM EDT
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The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback. Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually Its a big fucking ship. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:23:51 AM EDT
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:24:55 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? The U.S. Navy had electric drive battleships in the post-World War One era. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:25:07 AM EDT
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Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually Its a big fucking ship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback. Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually Its a big fucking ship. So we're ten years or so away from blinding everybody on a "cruise boat" celebrating a wedding that for some reason had pintle mounted DshKs? 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:28:19 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? Many years ago Diesel Electric tugboats were very common. Most modern cruise ships are also Diesel electric azapoidal drive. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azipod I don't know how many there are but I know DE propulsion ice breakers exist. I was told this is due to the stress on the shaft when the props turning and it's trying to break through ice. I have no idea if this is true though. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:28:51 AM EDT
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different?
I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:30:03 AM EDT
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:31:00 AM EDT
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. Yes, it is common. "Queen Mary 2's power plant comprises both four sixteen cylinder Wärtsilä 16V46CR EnviroEngine marine diesel engines generating a combined 67,200 kW (90,100 hp) at 514 rpm, as well as two General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines which together provide a further 50,000 kW (67,000 hp) all of which is converted into electricity used to power electric motors which drive the propellers. Such an arrangement, known as integrated electric propulsion, provides for economical cruising at low speed combined with an ability to sustain much higher speeds when required, and has been common in naval vessels for some time.[15] " |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:36:40 AM EDT
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A couple British RFA ships are electric drive. The T-AKE class dry cargo/ammo ships and the MLPs are also electric drive. Really, I don't see savings on maintenance. We just spend the money on different things and keep an army of tech reps very well-employed. ETA: T2 tankers were turbo-electric drive. USNS Waters is diesel electric, too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? A couple British RFA ships are electric drive. The T-AKE class dry cargo/ammo ships and the MLPs are also electric drive. Really, I don't see savings on maintenance. We just spend the money on different things and keep an army of tech reps very well-employed. ETA: T2 tankers were turbo-electric drive. USNS Waters is diesel electric, too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Pathfinder Class |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:39:37 AM EDT
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It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:40:13 AM EDT
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Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) No azipod. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:43:17 AM EDT
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Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. Do they turn off all the generating plants every time a twister goes though OK? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:45:36 AM EDT
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Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. So you wouldnt want power where everyone was staging to respond? 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:45:55 AM EDT
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) No azipod. No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:51:04 AM EDT
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) No azipod. No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded. Whats the issue? Too exposed? Too fragile? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:52:13 AM EDT
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It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) No azipod. No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded. Whats the issue? Too exposed? Too fragile? I'm no engineer, but you look at them sticking out like that and wonder what a shock test will do to them. With all the other tech, new shit, pricey things etc. they crammed into the 1000s, if azipods had made some sense at all they would've put them on there. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:57:49 AM EDT
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I'm no engineer, but you look at them sticking out like that and wonder what a shock test will do to them. With all the other tech, new shit, pricey things etc. they crammed into the 1000s, if azipods had made some sense at all they would've put them on there. Too slow, great for manuevering. Some ships have bow tunnel thrusters, others have drop-downs. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:03:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:07:29 AM EDT
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:14:10 AM EDT
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I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers. I wouldn't say that an electric drive controllable pitch doesn't exist, but it would be incredibly unusual and I have not heard of such an installation. Electric motors already have infinitley variable speed control. The draw of CPPs was being able to make better use of the relatively narrow available speed range for mechanically coupled diesel and gas turbine plants. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:14:50 AM EDT
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Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually Its a big fucking ship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I see it it is not the power being generated to move the ship but to use some of the massive power in weapon systems. That is your payback. Thats why I am interested to see if lasers or rail guns will be fitted eventually Its a big fucking ship. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:15:05 AM EDT
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And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area. THe possibilities are endless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in? Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:16:39 AM EDT
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combined 80 mega-watt power That's a lot of juice. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:16:41 AM EDT
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No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't cruise ships and many others used electric motors in azipods for years? How is this different? I don't know much about ships so I'm curious. It is not different. The U.S. Navy just got onboard with what the private sector has done for decades. Zumwalt will not have azipods because the U.S. Navy lacks the ability to think forward. Well they have in the past. They has a turbo / electric Battleship in 1915! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40) No azipod. No combat ship uses them. For a reason. They were looked at and discarded. Yes, because modern combat ships are so survivable. Was there not a crusier that was just holed by a warheadless drone? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:17:56 AM EDT
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I wouldn't say that an electric drive controllable pitch doesn't exist, but it would be incredibly unusual and I have not heard of such an installation. Electric motors already have infinitley variable speed control. The draw of CPPs was being able to make better use of the relatively narrow available speed range for mechanically coupled diesel and gas turbine plants. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ill be interested to see how far this goes. Its not a new idea, obviously diesel locomotives do the same thing, but on a ship? Is this the first ship to use electric drive? How much do they anticipate in saving on maintenance? I may be wrong but all the new cruise ships use electric motors in pods driving a variable pitch propellers. I wouldn't say that an electric drive controllable pitch doesn't exist, but it would be incredibly unusual and I have not heard of such an installation. Electric motors already have infinitley variable speed control. The draw of CPPs was being able to make better use of the relatively narrow available speed range for mechanically coupled diesel and gas turbine plants. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think you are right on the variable pitch thing. Remember a large cruise ship coming into Port Everglades hit the side of the channel and screwed up the propeller shaft seal. They repaired it in the water. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:20:10 AM EDT
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Hmmm...you guys ever had an MG or a Triumph?
Rolls Royce is a British concern, oui? Do the words "Magic Smoke" mean nothing to you? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:21:19 AM EDT
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And your posting makes the rest if us laugh. Who said anything about a grid? You could power a tent city refugee center/command post/staging area. THe possibilities are endless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:21:55 AM EDT
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combined 80 mega-watt power That's a lot of juice. Wonder how they look on the electromagnetic spectrum when they are generating that much power. TRG |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:22:29 AM EDT
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And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship. No, they have not. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:28:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in? Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in? Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site. What if doesn't get shit done in the real world and that seems to be all you can do.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:28:44 AM EDT
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And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. And already been done with the nukes on aircraft carriers. As long as you can go ashore and verify the integrity of whatever circuits you're going to power, the only real limit is the output of the ship. its a theoretical ability, but I don't think its ever been done. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:30:20 AM EDT
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You're funny, kinda sad too though. But we will take the comedy relief with your "expertise". What if doesn't get shit done in the real world and that seems to be all you can do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in? Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site. What if doesn't get shit done in the real world and that seems to be all you can do. I see you have no intelligent reply to add to this discussion. Continue to obfuscate in order to hide your ignorance. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:31:53 AM EDT
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I see you are throwing out big words to hide the fact you are clueless.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:32:53 AM EDT
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The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in? Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they will be able to provide shore power in an emergency? That would come in handy for natural disasters. Just what one wants to do in a natural disaster, put power into the grid. Your lack of critical thinking ability makes me sad. THe possibilities are endless. The possibilities are endless, if you are ignorant of ship operations. Where does the ship discharge sewage? It is illegal to discharge in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide sewage services? What about clean water for the ship? It is inadvisable to for the ship's water generation systems to make water in port. Is the disaster-stricken area going to provide clean water for the ship's crew? How about security requirements as the ship is close to many desperate people? How many lights for tent cities run on Zumwalt's 4,160 volt power? If there was a disaster is there even a clear channel for the ship to navigate in? Lack of criticial thinking ability is an epidemic on this site. Oh yes...there is a lack of critical thinking....it's not where you think it is however... |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:34:35 AM EDT
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I see you are throwing out big words to hide the fact you are clueless.
I am not clueless. I have written the truth. That truth, however, conflicts with the mythology of this site that says the U.S. military can do anything and is the best at everything. It is a shame my fellow Americans cannot learn from the past. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:34:59 AM EDT
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I see you have no intelligent reply to add to this discussion. Continue to obfuscate in order to hide your ignorance. Seriously? You are the clown that pops in to a huge chunk of military related threads, shits on all the services, makes no positive contribution to the thread, and then calls other members out without citing your credentials as an authority on the matter. Fuck off. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:35:43 AM EDT
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Oh yes...there is a lack of critical thinking....it's not where you think it is however... It is exactly where I think it is. No one is addressing my points. They are, instead and predictably, attacking me. That is proof the attackers have been defeated in the arena of ideas, as a radio talk show host used to say. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 10:37:24 AM EDT
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Seriously? You are the clown that pops in to a huge chunk of military related threads, shits on all the services, makes no positive contribution to the thread, and then calls other members out without citing your credentials as an authority on the matter. Fuck off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see you have no intelligent reply to add to this discussion. Continue to obfuscate in order to hide your ignorance. Seriously? You are the clown that pops in to a huge chunk of military related threads, shits on all the services, makes no positive contribution to the thread, and then calls other members out without citing your credentials as an authority on the matter. Fuck off. I have provided reasons why the claims this ship will power the shore in disater relief scenarios will never occur and why it cannot occur. In return, I am attacked personally. I do not see your resume posted, so your cries for "credentials" are a double standard and a red-herring. |
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