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Posted: 9/14/2014 9:50:19 AM EDT
ETA: To be clear, I identify with and consider myself a Libertarian. The majority of Republicans have abandoned us for special interests of their own, but they at least still align more with my core Libertarian / Conservative beliefs than Democrats do.
Unfortunately, a vote for a Libertarian candidate in November is essentially a vote for the Democrats. I hate for establishment Republicans to remain seated, or gain more seats, but it's better than the alternative for now. Once Libertarian politicians start securing municipal or city positions and Americans start seeing that a 3 party system is viable, voting for them in state and national elections is a wasted vote at this point. Just my opinion. I'm very concerned with our gun rights, among other things, if Democrats retain control of the Senate and, God forbid, gain control of the House. There would be nothing to stand in their way to begin ramming even more of their agenda down our throats. Call me dramatic, but it's no secret that the direction our country is headed does not end well. Before you guys start saying the usual "Republicans are just as bad" mantra, think about what is important to you and how much of that is at stake with Democrats in control. Sure, establishment Republicans are almost as crooked as Democrats, but at least the up and comers seem to have grasped onto the core values that they once all believed in. |
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In before the shitstorm... but I agree...
Better to have an R in there than a D, and if you vote L, you're probably gonna end up with a D. |
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Well if u don't the dems will be in charge again....... Look where that is getting us..
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their vote, thier rules.
They say they can't support the republicans, which are way to similar to democrats. Sadly, not support R means not opposing D. I wish it were, but it just isnt. |
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Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? If the libertarians were republicans, they would be republicans, they are libertarians for a reason, they do not agree with the policies of the republican party, what makes you think you can tell people to vote for something they disagree with?
I don't understand the sense of entitlement republicans have about libertarian votes... |
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Ahh, voting for the lesser of two evils.
Either way you still end up with evil. |
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What difference at this point does it make? View Quote We should all be very worried about her. Democrats are all about breaking glass ceilings, just because. Regardless of how electable she is or isn't, they will vote for her. The anti-Republican vitriol amongst low-information voters runs deep and cannot be overcome, as has been proven by the fool in the White House. |
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Democrats tell people that voting third party is a vote for Republicans.
Republicans tell people that voting third party is a vote for Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Don't forget that every single law in this country was passed by both Democrats and Republicans working together. |
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Democrats tell people that voting third party is a vote for Republicans. Republicans tell people that voting third party is a vote for Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Don't forget that every single law in this country was passed by both Democrats and Republicans working together. View Quote Obamacare wasn't only democrats and Bernie Commie Saunders voted for it. |
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Democrats tell people that voting third party is a vote for Republicans. Republicans tell people that voting third party is a vote for Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Don't forget that every single law in this country was passed by both Democrats and Republicans working together. View Quote So simple, yet so few can grasp it. |
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Democrats tell people that voting third party is a vote for Republicans. Republicans tell people that voting third party is a vote for Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Don't forget that every single law in this country was passed by both Democrats and Republicans working together. So simple, yet so few can grasp it. Well Ron Paul did ask for a lot of pork in spending bills. So you do have a point. |
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Ahh, voting for the lesser of two evils. Either way you still end up with evil. View Quote Yep, what difference does it make. If I even vote, it will be third party across the board. Well actually we have a libertarian congressman who is a republican so that's one republican who I'd vote for. |
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Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? If the libertarians were republicans, they would be republicans, they are libertarians for a reason, they do not agree with the policies of the republican party, what makes you think you can tell people to vote for something they disagree with? I don't understand the sense of entitlement republicans have about libertarian votes... View Quote You've made the assumption that I'm not a Libertarian myself. I look forward to the day that I CAN freely vote for a Libertarian candidate of my choice, but for the time being, their (our) reputation isn't proven yet on any level. At this point, anything "promised" by some great Libertarian minds is simply lip service. There's no track record to run on yet. They (we) need to start fixing local communities on a municipal and city level and then aim for state-level positions. Until that happens, you're going to end up with a powerful amount of votes that could make or break our country going in vain to a third party. |
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Obamacare wasn't only democrats and Bernie Commie Saunders voted for it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Democrats tell people that voting third party is a vote for Republicans. Republicans tell people that voting third party is a vote for Democrats. Two sides of the same coin. Don't forget that every single law in this country was passed by both Democrats and Republicans working together. Obamacare wasn't only democrats and Bernie Commie Saunders voted for it. Obamacare was upheld as being a "tax" by Republican and Democrat Supreme Court Justices and it is enforced by Republican and Democrat IRS agents, nicht wahr? |
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I think that's what the liberaltarians really want anyway. And legalized weed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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. . . if you vote L, you're probably gonna end up with a D. I think that's what the liberaltarians really want anyway. And legalized weed. |
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My vote is always bull shit anyway.
No one on any ballot truly represents Me or My interests. |
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Top priorities of the Libertarian party:
1. Legalize marijuana 2. Legalize marijuana 3. Legalize marijuana 4. Open borders 5. Legalize marijuana |
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What difference at this point does it make? View Quote Doesn't in my state. Single party rule here in California. Republicans are a self described "impotent minority" here. At least I can vote my conscience rather then the lesser of two evils. At the end of the day, giving the L candidate more respectable numbers has at least a tiny impact versus voting for the R who is going to lose anyway. |
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give me someone worth voting for and then we'll talk.
I see very few genuine pro-freedom types in the Republican ranks. If you insist on running puritanical jackasses, then count me out. |
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Quoted: I think that's what the liberaltarians really want anyway. And legalized weed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: . . . if you vote L, you're probably gonna end up with a D. I think that's what the liberaltarians really want anyway. And legalized weed. Siding with the socialist left is NOT what libertarians want. I know that legalizing weed goes against many right leaning voters puritanical views, but I assure you it does not align libertarians with the socialist left. I'll say it again, liberty is the goal. |
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Yep, what difference does it make. If I even vote, it will be third party across the board. Well actually we have a libertarian congressman who is a republican so that's one republican who I'd vote for. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ahh, voting for the lesser of two evils. Either way you still end up with evil. Yep, what difference does it make. If I even vote, it will be third party across the board. Well actually we have a libertarian congressman who is a republican so that's one republican who I'd vote for. So I'm guessing you've sold all your guns already to help fund a pallet of wasp spray? |
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Fuck that! We have been given "better than the other guy" for 20 years now!
I'm fucking done with the republicans. |
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Ive been told libertarians are insignificant and their vote means jack shit. Well, at least right up to the point where a R loses. You GOP folks really need to work on your message.
ETA: Tagged for "this is the most important election EVAR!" banter followed by "vote R today, vote your heart tomorrow". Ultimately ending in "You fucking dope smoking hippies gave the election to the liberals". Love a good election season on this site.
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I think you're missing the fundamental goal of libertarians. Liberty. Siding with the socialist left is NOT what libertarians want. I know that legalizing weed goes against many right leaning voters puritanical views, but I assure you it does not align libertarians with the socialist left. I'll say it again, liberty is the goal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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. . . if you vote L, you're probably gonna end up with a D. I think that's what the liberaltarians really want anyway. And legalized weed. Siding with the socialist left is NOT what libertarians want. I know that legalizing weed goes against many right leaning voters puritanical views, but I assure you it does not align libertarians with the socialist left. I'll say it again, liberty is the goal. This. Sooner or later, Republicans will shed those puritanical views that cost them election after election and embrace the values that their constituents are actually asking to be represented. The weed legalization fear is just plain stupid. I'd rather legalize weed than surrender any more of my liberty. |
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Is the start of the Libertarian post fest for this election season?
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Ok bro. I'm sure compromising my conscience will be the pivotal factor in determining whether America gets a shit executive or a merely retarded one.
Fact is voting at the national scale is thoroughly proven to be a social act, not a political one. So, since my social life doesn't revolve around ideological purity tests in online communities that don't understand an iterated prisoner's dilemma, I'm free to not care about people desperately attempting to retroactively legitimize the system taxing me. |
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There is rarely ever a good libertarian candidate in my area. I'm not a big fan of Tom Tillis, but will vote for him as Kay Hagan has to go!
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give me someone worth voting for and then we'll talk. I see very few genuine pro-freedom types in the Republican ranks. If you insist on running puritanical jackasses, then count me out. View Quote +1 You're pounding a tired drum, OP. Libertarians are scant in number until the GOP loses, then the libertarian vote is the reason you lost. Fix your fucked up ship before asking people to board it. |
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Unfortunately, a vote for a Libertarian candidate in November is essentially a vote for the Democrats. I hate for establishment Republicans to remain seated, or gain more seats, but it's better than the alternative for now. Once Libertarian politicians start securing municipal or city positions and Americans start seeing that a 3 party system is viable, voting for them in state and national elections is a wasted vote at this point. Just my opinion. I'm very concerned with our gun rights, among other things, if Democrats retain control of the Senate and, God forbid, gain control of the House. There would be nothing to stand in their way to begin ramming even more of their agenda down our throats. Call me dramatic, but it's no secret that the direction our country is headed does not end well. Before you guys start saying the usual "Republicans are just as bad" mantra, think about what is important to you and how much of that is at stake with Democrats in control. Sure, establishment Republicans are almost as crooked as Democrats, but at least the up and comers seem to have grasped onto the core values that they once all believed in. View Quote I've typed out three replies, and deleted all of them. How about I will vote for whoever I want. You do your party a disservice by making them all look like entitled whiners, which they're more than capable of doing themselves. |
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You've made the assumption that I'm not a Libertarian myself. I look forward to the day that I CAN freely vote for a Libertarian candidate of my choice, but for the time being, their (our) reputation isn't proven yet on any level. At this point, anything "promised" by some great Libertarian minds is simply lip service. There's no track record to run on yet. They (we) need to start fixing local communities on a municipal and city level and then aim for state-level positions. Until that happens, you're going to end up with a powerful amount of votes that could make or break our country going in vain to a third party. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Never voted for a libertarian candidate before, but why do you, and so many republicans think they're entitled to the votes of libertarians? If the libertarians were republicans, they would be republicans, they are libertarians for a reason, they do not agree with the policies of the republican party, what makes you think you can tell people to vote for something they disagree with? I don't understand the sense of entitlement republicans have about libertarian votes... You've made the assumption that I'm not a Libertarian myself. I look forward to the day that I CAN freely vote for a Libertarian candidate of my choice, but for the time being, their (our) reputation isn't proven yet on any level. At this point, anything "promised" by some great Libertarian minds is simply lip service. There's no track record to run on yet. They (we) need to start fixing local communities on a municipal and city level and then aim for state-level positions. Until that happens, you're going to end up with a powerful amount of votes that could make or break our country going in vain to a third party. That day keeps getting further away with compromise votes like yours. Lesser of two evils works so well. |
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Did you know Libertarians and the 18-25 crowd gave us Obama. TWICE?! Assholes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the start of the Libertarian post fest for this election season? Did you know Libertarians and the 18-25 crowd gave us Obama. TWICE?! Assholes. Yup. Plus, I believe the VAST majority of vocal Libertarians never voted for a Republican and never will. So, they are at least doing a good thing by not voting for a democrat. I would vote for a Libertarian though if they are on the ballot and have a chance to win. Maybe some day. |
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There is no difference between the R and the D; at the end of the day we still spend too much money and loose freedoms. Believing there is a difference in this day and age is akin to beveling in Santa clause. Believing that R's will save us is delusional. Turn off your TV and think for yourselves. ETA: in before "the most important vote of our lifetimes". |
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Interesting to see the liberaltarian inference here, over and over, that Obama was the lesser of two evils on 2012.
Shows their true colors. |
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