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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:56:56 AM EDT
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-21/juliet-marines-ghost-boat-will-be-hard-sell-to-u-dot-s-dot-navy#r=hp-ls
 Matte gray, with the chiseled angles of a Nighthawk stealth aircraft, doesn’t look like a boat. Its 38-foot main hull is designed to travel above the water’s surface, propped up by two narrow struts, both 12 feet long and razor-sharp at the front so they can cut through ocean debris. Underwater, each strut is attached to a 62-foot-long tube that contains a gas turbine engine. Hinges allow the struts to move up and down like wings. While parked, or traveling through shallow waters, they can be extended to the side. In deeper waters, at speeds of eight knots or higher, they can rotate downward to lift the hull into the air, eliminating the jarring impact of waves. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:59:28 AM EDT
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Not Invented Here.
Probably good for Coast Guard interdiction missions. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:01:03 AM EDT
[#2]
Knightboat! |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:01:17 AM EDT
[#3]
Texas will buy them first and patrol the Rio Grande.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:01:22 AM EDT
[#4]
What's the point?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:02:09 AM EDT
[#5]
I'll take it for $10 if they decide to DRMO it.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:03:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the point? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:03:29 AM EDT
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I'll take it for $10 if they decide to DRMO it. They'd probably make you take a torch to it though. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:04:29 AM EDT
[#8]
What about the boat from McHale's Navy?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:04:39 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-21/juliet-marines-ghost-boat-will-be-hard-sell-to-u-dot-s-dot-navy#r=hp-ls http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=67821 Matte gray, with the chiseled angles of a Nighthawk stealth aircraft, doesn’t look like a boat. Its 38-foot main hull is designed to travel above the water’s surface, propped up by two narrow struts, both 12 feet long and razor-sharp at the front so they can cut through ocean debris. Underwater, each strut is attached to a 62-foot-long tube that contains a gas turbine engine. Hinges allow the struts to move up and down like wings. While parked, or traveling through shallow waters, they can be extended to the side. In deeper waters, at speeds of eight knots or higher, they can rotate downward to lift the hull into the air, eliminating the jarring impact of waves. Needs more space-capable propulsion system. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:07:00 AM EDT
[#10]
Um,
That isn't stealth. Just sayin. Just those exhausts or vents or whatever are probably pretty reflective. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:08:54 AM EDT
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Needs more space-capable propulsion system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-21/juliet-marines-ghost-boat-will-be-hard-sell-to-u-dot-s-dot-navy#r=hp-ls http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=67821 Matte gray, with the chiseled angles of a Nighthawk stealth aircraft, doesn’t look like a boat. Its 38-foot main hull is designed to travel above the water’s surface, propped up by two narrow struts, both 12 feet long and razor-sharp at the front so they can cut through ocean debris. Underwater, each strut is attached to a 62-foot-long tube that contains a gas turbine engine. Hinges allow the struts to move up and down like wings. While parked, or traveling through shallow waters, they can be extended to the side. In deeper waters, at speeds of eight knots or higher, they can rotate downward to lift the hull into the air, eliminating the jarring impact of waves. Needs more space-capable propulsion system. Definitely needs to be that off white egg shell color of a Star Trek shuttle craft. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:11:31 AM EDT
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It's pointless to spend money on the military when the administration (and by tolerating it the American people) are too cowed or stupid to utilize any of it in an effective, much less efficient, manner. It's the same as Ray Charles buying a Ferrari collection. Lots of money spent on maintenance intensive depreciating assets with no purpose.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:12:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Um, That isn't stealth. Just sayin. Just those exhausts or vents or whatever are probably pretty reflective. Needs more development money... |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:14:26 AM EDT
[#14]
Ill take one for Labor Day at the lake :)
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:16:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
What about the boat from McHale's Navy? Last one operating: 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:21:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's pointless to spend money on the military when the administration (and by tolerating it the American people) are too cowed or stupid to utilize any of it in an effective, much less efficient, manner. It's the same as Ray Charles buying a Ferrari collection. Lots of money spent on maintenance intensive depreciating assets with no purpose. They can just give them to the police after a year or two. They will find "enemies" to use them against. 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:21:38 AM EDT
[#17]
they have been trying to pimp that thing for a while now
Article from 2011 http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20110821-NEWS-108210339 |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:40:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:42:23 AM EDT
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Needs a G.I. Joe logo.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:43:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:43:48 AM EDT
[#21]
I really don't trust people that bid their stuff to the Pentagon via press release.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:44:11 AM EDT
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We have stealth ships. They're called submarines.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:44:57 AM EDT
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they have been trying to pimp that thing for a while now Article from 2011 http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20110821-NEWS-108210339 So it's an unsoliced proposal that they are trying to shame lawmakers into forcing the Navy to buy because "they're not smart enough to know they need this". 
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:46:33 AM EDT
[#24]
How US taxpayer money is pissed away will never cease to amaze me.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:48:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:49:33 AM EDT
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We have stealth ships. They're called submarines. Lol, I was thinking this. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:49:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:52:21 AM EDT
[#28]
None of that technology will ever be used. Everything we do now we uses FA-18's to drop bombs.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:53:48 AM EDT
[#29]
I wonder how many years I have seen this picture...
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:54:02 AM EDT
[#30]
Gas turbines, in slender pods, underwater...
It'll never pass DDAM. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:56:33 AM EDT
[#31]
a few notables on the Julliet bod
Board of Directors and Scientific Advisory Board For biographical information, please click on a name below. Gregory E. Sancoff ~ Chairman of the Board of Directors President/CEO, Juliet Marine Systems, Inc. David M. Barrett, M.D. ~ Director Hon. Jay M. Cohen, RADM USN (Ret) ~ Director, Science Advisor Admiral James R. Hogg, USN (Ret) ~ Director Kevin Kinsella ~ Director Thomas R. Richards, RADM USN (Ret) ~ Director Hon. Paul Schneider ~ Science Advisor Senator John E. Sununu, Jr. ~ Director Eric Womble ~ Director, Science Advisor |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:02:49 AM EDT
[#32]
For the US, looks useful for amphib groups, SEAL deployment, and the flexible power projection offered ability to have it combat ready in any conflict zone world wide in 24 hours by aircraft (fewer are required).
I guess it would be nice for drug interdiction in the Gulf too. We used to have the Pegasus class hydrofoil that did this. Except this ship is twice as fast as a Pegasus with the same range and only a 3 man crew and a massively more efficient propulsion system, not to mention the low observability. Quoted:
We have stealth ships. They're called submarines. It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:11:36 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
For the US, looks useful for amphib groups, SEAL deployment, and the flexible power projection offered ability to have it combat ready in any conflict zone world wide in 24 hours by aircraft (fewer are required). I guess it would be nice for drug interdiction in the Gulf too. We used to have the Pegasus class hydrofoil that did this. Except this ship is twice as fast as a Pegasus with the same range and only a 3 man crew and a massively more efficient propulsion system, not to mention the low observability. It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. Quote HistoryQuoted:
For the US, looks useful for amphib groups, SEAL deployment, and the flexible power projection offered ability to have it combat ready in any conflict zone world wide in 24 hours by aircraft (fewer are required). I guess it would be nice for drug interdiction in the Gulf too. We used to have the Pegasus class hydrofoil that did this. Except this ship is twice as fast as a Pegasus with the same range and only a 3 man crew and a massively more efficient propulsion system, not to mention the low observability. Quoted:
We have stealth ships. They're called submarines. It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. Just looking back to the abortion of the Cyclone class renders this "stealth boat" invalid for that use. The logistics alone to keep the engines running negate its usefulness, never mind trying to carry a squad or plt with full kit. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:16:33 AM EDT
[#34]
That thing looks about as stealthy as my garage.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:20:37 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just looking back to the abortion of the Cyclone class renders this "stealth boat" invalid for that use. The logistics alone to keep the engines running negate its usefulness, never mind trying to carry a squad or plt with full kit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the US, looks useful for amphib groups, SEAL deployment, and the flexible power projection offered ability to have it combat ready in any conflict zone world wide in 24 hours by aircraft (fewer are required). I guess it would be nice for drug interdiction in the Gulf too. We used to have the Pegasus class hydrofoil that did this. Except this ship is twice as fast as a Pegasus with the same range and only a 3 man crew and a massively more efficient propulsion system, not to mention the low observability. Quoted:
We have stealth ships. They're called submarines. It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. Just looking back to the abortion of the Cyclone class renders this "stealth boat" invalid for that use. The logistics alone to keep the engines running negate its usefulness, never mind trying to carry a squad or plt with full kit. Cyclone-class is still in service and is in high demand. Recently, two Cyclone-class ships were tranported to Bahrain to be forward-deployed there. For an abortion, they are very useful. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:32:02 AM EDT
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What's the point? High speed without the jarring ride when in a seaway. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:32:52 AM EDT
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This ship looks like more of a replacement for the Mark V SOC, more air mobile than a Mark V, longer range, faster, more firepower, lower observability.
It would also fill the role the Pegasus had, albeit with much weaker anti-surface capability, although with a modular payload, I assume you could put good missiles, sensors and datalinks on it. No 76mm gun though. The Cyclone is a pig but it has mass and endurance that neither Ghost, Mark V, nor Pegasus had. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:33:18 AM EDT
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What's the point? Fuck if I know. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:38:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We have stealth ships. They're called submarines. It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. Yeah, but what is it going to do? If you want to sink a ship by stealth you use a sub. If you want to carry stuff you usually can't do it on a small little dingy like that. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:54:59 AM EDT
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I like the fishing deck on the back.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 10:55:17 AM EDT
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So according to the article, its current top speed is 29 knots, and they think it might do 50 knots.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:04:05 AM EDT
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The article I read said it will do 80kn and possibly 100kn. Watch the video it is clearly going MUCH faster than 28kn.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:13:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
"We’re basically riding on two supercavitating torpedoes. And we’ve put a boat on top of it,” Sancoff says. <a href="http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2012/06/21/juliet-marines-ghost-ship-emerges-from-stealth-startup-gears-up-for-war/attachment/patent_diagram/" target="_blank">http://www.xconomy.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/2012/06/patent_diagram-300x210.png</a>At the front of each foil is a special propeller system that pulls the craft forward. The propellers are powered by a modified gas turbine—a jet engine—housed in each foil; the air intake and exhaust ports for the engines are in the struts. As the ship moves through the water, the motion of the propellers creates a thin layer of bubbly water vapor that surrounds each foil from front to back, helped along by the presence of "air trap fins” that keep the vapor in contact with the hull (and keep liquid away from the hull). The vapor is what constitutes the supercavitation, so the foils can glide effortlessly through the bubbles. I bet Hydrophones eat that shit up. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:20:13 AM EDT
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Betcha they get foreign orders.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:23:29 AM EDT
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Wow! Imagine how many Purple Hearts John Kerry could have gotten with one of those!!! |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:38:42 AM EDT
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Looks like something from those Howe & Howe Tech guys.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 11:56:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:12:22 PM EDT
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Cyclone-class is still in service and is in high demand. Recently, two Cyclone-class ships were tranported to Bahrain to be forward-deployed there. For an abortion, they are very useful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the US, looks useful for amphib groups, SEAL deployment, and the flexible power projection offered ability to have it combat ready in any conflict zone world wide in 24 hours by aircraft (fewer are required). I guess it would be nice for drug interdiction in the Gulf too. We used to have the Pegasus class hydrofoil that did this. Except this ship is twice as fast as a Pegasus with the same range and only a 3 man crew and a massively more efficient propulsion system, not to mention the low observability. Quoted:
We have stealth ships. They're called submarines. It should be the fastest thing on the water and invincible to submarines as it can outrun any torpedo except a Shkval. Ghost uses supercavitating propulsion to get the speed/efficiency. It might be superior to a helicopter for ASW for amphib group with similar speeds to a helicopter and much longer endurance. Until they get the V-22 outfitted for ASW. Just looking back to the abortion of the Cyclone class renders this "stealth boat" invalid for that use. The logistics alone to keep the engines running negate its usefulness, never mind trying to carry a squad or plt with full kit. Cyclone-class is still in service and is in high demand. Recently, two Cyclone-class ships were tranported to Bahrain to be forward-deployed there. For an abortion, they are very useful. Once they got repurposed they became useful-ish nothing the CG can't do. As far as the initial intent for them they fell well short of what had been promised, cramped is an understatement. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 2:14:53 PM EDT
[#50]
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So it's an unsoliced proposal that they are trying to shame lawmakers into forcing the Navy to buy because "they're not smart enough to know they need this". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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they have been trying to pimp that thing for a while now Article from 2011 http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20110821-NEWS-108210339 So it's an unsoliced proposal that they are trying to shame lawmakers into forcing the Navy to buy because "they're not smart enough to know they need this". Dragon skin like a MFer |
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