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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:46:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:47:20 PM EDT
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Damn sad
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:48:32 PM EDT
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Damn
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:52:25 PM EDT
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A jogger was killed the same way a few years ago. Sad.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:57:20 PM EDT
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No way to go out...prayers
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:57:21 PM EDT
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Back in 92 Rosemary Emory was killed driving around Pax River NAS when an F18 landed on her truck after the pilots ejected.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-4th-circuit/1392324.html |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:58:26 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:58:32 PM EDT
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For some reason I was expecting RC plane or heli or something. Not an actual plane.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:00:00 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:02:49 PM EDT
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Whathafak?
Nothing is safe. A dude trying enjoy the fruits of his life with his kids, gets run down on a secluded beach by a fucking plane. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:04:00 PM EDT
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Well, that sucks. Can't condem the pilot since I wasn't there and don't know what he could or couldn't see or do.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:05:01 PM EDT
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The plane was walking on the beach?
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:05:19 PM EDT
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Isolated incident. At least the pilot went home safe.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:07:49 PM EDT
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This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. So let me get this straight. Pilot instructed to try to land on beach. Crashes. Debris hits bystanders, and you somehow extrapolate that into intentionally aiming near people to save his own skin? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:09:56 PM EDT
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The plane was walking on the beach? That's exactly what I read too! |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:11:18 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight. Pilot instructed to try to land on beach. Crashes. Debris hits bystanders, and you somehow extrapolate that into intentionally aiming near people to save his own skin? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. So let me get this straight. Pilot instructed to try to land on beach. Crashes. Debris hits bystanders, and you somehow extrapolate that into intentionally aiming near people to save his own skin? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile According to the Sheriff's Office, the pilot reported at 2:45 p.m. that he was having trouble with his plane, a 1972 Piper Cherokee. He reported that he was unable to make it back to the nearby Venice Airport and planned to land on the beach. If I ever have plane trouble I know a good playground I should be able to land on. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:11:41 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight. Pilot instructed to try to land on beach. Crashes. Debris hits bystanders, and you somehow extrapolate that into intentionally aiming near people to save his own skin? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. So let me get this straight. Pilot instructed to try to land on beach. Crashes. Debris hits bystanders, and you somehow extrapolate that into intentionally aiming near people to save his own skin? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Instructed? 
"But there's people on the beach!" "fuck em" Nice way to shirk responsibility. I didn't say he intentionally aimed for people, but he intentionally landed on a beach with people on it. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:12:40 PM EDT
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This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. Oh horseshit. The pilot did what he was supposed to do. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:13:33 PM EDT
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This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. No one is innocent. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:13:51 PM EDT
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As it gets more crowded I expect increasingly more of this.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:14:35 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:14:58 PM EDT
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Instructed?
"But there's people on the beach!" "fuck em" Nice way to shirk responsibility. I didn't say he intentionally aimed for people, but he intentionally landed on a beach with people on it. The pilot is responsible for that operation of the flight and if he's found negligent will be held responsible. The idea that you guys just want pilots to fly straight into terra firma at the first sign of trouble rather than taking reasonable actions to minimize injuries and damage overall is incredible. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:16:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, he shouldn't have. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:16:40 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. No one is innocent. Children are. 
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:18:57 PM EDT
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They need to put horns on those fucking things..
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:19:01 PM EDT
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The pilot is responsible for that operation of the flight and if he's found negligent will be held responsible. The idea that you guys just want pilots to fly straight into terra firma at the first sign of trouble rather than taking reasonable actions to minimize injuries and damage overall is incredible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"But there's people on the beach!" "fuck em" Nice way to shirk responsibility. I didn't say he intentionally aimed for people, but he intentionally landed on a beach with people on it. The pilot is responsible for that operation of the flight and if he's found negligent will be held responsible. The idea that you guys just want pilots to fly straight into terra firma at the first sign of trouble rather than taking reasonable actions to minimize injuries and damage overall is incredible. Green Ramp 1994. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:19:33 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:22:40 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water You should try saying less stupid shit. I mean I don't know if you do it a lot, but less is better. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:23:26 PM EDT
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That's some random shit. Wonder if the pilot had any chance to turn the plane away.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:24:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:25:33 PM EDT
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That's some random shit. Wonder if the pilot had any chance to turn the plane away. Down low and out of energy he would have likely just balled it up trying, potentially making things much worse. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:25:58 PM EDT
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Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. Assuming he had the chance to hit the water or clip a random guy walking on the beach (perhaps a big assumption) he should hit the water. Pilot and his passengers assumed the risk of bad things happening. Guy walking down the beach ... not so much. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:26:05 PM EDT
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Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. So the pilot decides to make his problem the tragic loss of someone elses because he didn't want to risk personal injury. Yeah. Fucked up. Don't make your problem mine, and I wont make my problem yours. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:27:53 PM EDT
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. No one is innocent. Children are. You haven't met my kids. 
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:28:31 PM EDT
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A jogger was killed the same way a few years ago. Sad. I remember that, it was on Hilton Head. http://www.islandpacket.com/2010/03/15/1173769/man-on-hilton-head-beach-struck.html |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:28:50 PM EDT
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Oh horseshit. The pilot did what he was supposed to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water This is my thought too. Killing people to save your own life is fucked up when the option exists to keep innocents safe. Oh horseshit. The pilot did what he was supposed to do. He was supposed to land on a populated beach rather than in the water? |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:29:17 PM EDT
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Down low and out of energy he would have likely just balled it up trying, potentially making things much worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's some random shit. Wonder if the pilot had any chance to turn the plane away. Down low and out of energy he would have likely just balled it up trying, potentially making things much worse. Ok. I'll defer to you. I don't even have a passing understanding of how small airplanes operate. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:29:18 PM EDT
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Oh I get it. The mans life was less important than the asshole and his passenger Forced landings don't generally allow for changing your mind, normally not enough power to perform more than small maneuvers, nor would it be advised to try to do so. Say he lands in the water and someone out swimming gets killed, would he be called an idiot then as well and told he should have landed on the beach where people have the opportunity to move out of the way faster? I seriously doubt either person in the plane enjoyed their experience or planned to try to kill someone to save their own lives. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:29:44 PM EDT
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Oh I get it. The mans life was less important than the asshole and his passenger He followed the ditching procedure for the Cherokee exactly. It sucks that the guy got hit and killed, but the pilot most likely didn't even see him until it was too late. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:29:52 PM EDT
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Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dick should have went for the water Seriously this. No, he shouldn't have. Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. So it is morally acceptable to risk the death of uninvolved persons rather than your own? |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:32:07 PM EDT
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He was supposed to land on a populated beach rather than in the water? Ditching in a fixed gear plane has a very high likelihood of a pad to horrible outcome. Absent more information about the beach and its conditions it's pretty tough to tell if this was a worse choice given the information the pilot had at the time. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:33:33 PM EDT
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Ditching in a fixed gear plane has a very high likelihood of a pad to horrible outcome. Absent more information about the beach and its conditions it's pretty tough to tell if this was a worse choice given the information the pilot had at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He was supposed to land on a populated beach rather than in the water? Ditching in a fixed gear plane has a very high likelihood of a pad to horrible outcome. Absent more information about the beach and its conditions it's pretty tough to tell if this was a worse choice given the information the pilot had at the time. The article said it was undeveloped. ATC told him to land there too. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:33:38 PM EDT
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There could just as easily have been someone in the water, at least with the beach you can see that it's flat from the air. Too bad for that guy and his family, but sometimes shit happens.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:35:39 PM EDT
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Not sure about down there, but a lot of beaches up here are landing strips as well as highways. People land small planes on them all the time.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:36:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There could just as easily have been someone in the water, at least with the beach you can see that it's flat from the air. Too bad for that guy and his family, but sometimes shit happens. No, no, no. The dude is an asshole. When he saw there were people near where he was instructed to land he should have miracled his plane into cooperating and found a safer place to land. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:37:41 PM EDT
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They need to put horns on those fucking things.. Whistle tips... TRG |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:38:22 PM EDT
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The article said it was undeveloped. ATC told him to land there too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He was supposed to land on a populated beach rather than in the water? Ditching in a fixed gear plane has a very high likelihood of a pad to horrible outcome. Absent more information about the beach and its conditions it's pretty tough to tell if this was a worse choice given the information the pilot had at the time. The article said it was undeveloped. ATC told him to land there too. FYI: ATC won't actually direct you to put it down on the beach, they just give recommendations to the emergency pilot. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:38:57 PM EDT
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Well you have to give the guy props!
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:39:20 PM EDT
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So it is morally acceptable to risk the death of uninvolved persons rather than your own?
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:39:30 PM EDT
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Assuming he had the chance to hit the water or clip a random guy walking on the beach (perhaps a big assumption) he should hit the water. Pilot and his passengers assumed the risk of bad things happening. Guy walking down the beach ... not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what happens when a fixed gear aircraft touches down on water? They're not just going to settle in. Most likely the aircraft flips, and the people on board get knocked unconscious and/or drown. Assuming he had the chance to hit the water or clip a random guy walking on the beach (perhaps a big assumption) he should hit the water. Pilot and his passengers assumed the risk of bad things happening. Guy walking down the beach ... not so much. Whether you get out of bed or not, everyone assumes the risk of bad things happening every day.......... |
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