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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:21:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:23:10 AM EDT
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I was to busy screwing around in school to pay attention in 1984....was there consensus it was justified.......did he really look at one of the thugs after he shot him and say "mehhh, you look alright how about another one"....paraphrasing but you get the jest I was 33 years old at the time and living in Wyoming, I felt he deserved a public service award. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:24:01 AM EDT
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I was to busy screwing around in school to pay attention in 1984....was there consensus it was justified.......did he really look at one of the thugs after he shot him and say "mehhh, you look alright how about another one"....paraphrasing but you get the jest In the midwest, many of us wondered why he left survivors. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:24:30 AM EDT
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I was 33 years old at the time and living in Wyoming, I felt he deserved a public service award. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was to busy screwing around in school to pay attention in 1984....was there consensus it was justified.......did he really look at one of the thugs after he shot him and say "mehhh, you look alright how about another one"....paraphrasing but you get the jest I was 33 years old at the time and living in Wyoming, I felt he deserved a public service award. There was consensus it was justified. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:24:52 AM EDT
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Lots of confusion that this would be a problem by everybody, except for the panty-twisting pansies on the east coast.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:24:54 AM EDT
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Pretty much a grass roots hero.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:26:46 AM EDT
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I thought he should have been given an award.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:26:47 AM EDT
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My grandfather was a mild-mannered PR exec living in Manhattan at the time. I remember he told us he went to a fund raiser and donated cash to Goetz' defense fund.
The city was pretty well fed up with street thugs. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:26:58 AM EDT
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Depends on whether you were black or white.
P.S. Anyone remember that MAD Magazine put out this cut-out mask? 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:28:44 AM EDT
[#10]
Good shoot
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:29:54 AM EDT
[#11]
General consensus was he should not have been prosecuted.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:32:27 AM EDT
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Depends on whether you were black or white. P.S. Anyone remember that MAD Magazine put out this cut-out mask? http://d1g4sq00ps2bp3.cloudfront.net/img/_categories/_thumbs/Comic_Art/Mad_Art/Misc_Artists/13847madt.jpg Has nothing to do with black or white, Street Thugs are Street Thugs. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:32:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought he should have been given an award. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:34:20 AM EDT
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I was 20 and stationed in Germany, I don't recall much about it.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:34:42 AM EDT
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He should have lawyered up, but instead he made those damaging statements to the police after the shooting.
Eta: Even though he beat the charges except the weapons charges, he never should have made those statements. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:34:50 AM EDT
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I was living/working in NYC at the time. It was like the movie Death Wish coming true. He truly made the mistake of poor bullet placement.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:35:48 AM EDT
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NY was such a shithole then and people were cheering anyone that stood up to the daily thuggery. Looking at pics of NY from the 70s and 80s and it almost doesn't look recognizable. Sadly, I think it's headed there again.
On NatGeo's 80's mini series, they even showed black people cheering him on and saying he was totally justified. That wouldn't happen today. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:36:22 AM EDT
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I thought he should have been given an award. X2 |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:36:32 AM EDT
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I was in elementary school in new york not far from where when that happened
I remember being on the playground and instead of playing cops and robbers we played Bernie Goetz and robbers one day. Everyone wanted to play Bernie. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:37:22 AM EDT
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He was a hero to most of Free America.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:37:36 AM EDT
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Two things:
F off, it's not that long ago to make me an "old guy"! Two, typical split. Libtards were outraged, normal people cheered him on. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:37:44 AM EDT
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Well, even in NYC he got off on the shooting charges, and that was after the "You don't look so bad, here's another" comment and other poorly thought-out public statements. He was convicted only of carrying a loaded, unlicensed weapon in a public place.
The one that Goetz put in a wheelchair, Cabey, is the only one who wasn't charged with a violent crime later. According to Wiki, here is what happened to the remaining three: "In May 1985, Ramseur held a gun while an associate raped, sodomized and robbed a pregnant 18-year-old woman on the rooftop of a Bronx building, and in 1986 was sentenced to 8? to 25 years in prison. According to the New York State Department of Corrections[75] inmate search site, Ramseur served his sentence and was released in July 2010. Ramseur was found dead of a drug overdose, in an apparent suicide, in a Bronx motel room on December 22, 2011, the 27th anniversary of the incident on the No. 2 train." "Barry Allen committed two robberies after the shooting, the first a 1986 chain snatching in the elevator of the building where he lived.[61] The second arrest, in May 1991, brought him a sentence of three and a half to seven years for probation violation and third degree robbery. He was released on parole in December 1995." "After a number of minor arrests for petty offenses, Troy Canty was ordered to undergo an 18-month drug treatment program at a rehabilitation center, which he completed in 1989.[79][80] He was later charged with assault, robbery, and resisting arrest in an altercation with his common-law wife in August 1996 but was not convicted and did not serve time." |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:40:13 AM EDT
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I think a lot is where you lived in the country at that time.
Here in Texas most thought good shoot. If you were somewhere else it very well might be great indignation and horror at shooting the "children". 
Myself I was hoping he would never be found. Can't remember exactly but I think he actually turned himself in. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:44:02 AM EDT
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Well, even in NYC he got off on the shooting charges, and that was after the "You don't look so bad, here's another" comment and other poorly thought-out public statements. He was convicted only of carrying a loaded, unlicensed weapon in a public place. The one that Goetz put in a wheelchair, Cabey, is the only one who wasn't charged with a violent crime later. According to Wiki, here is what happened to the remaining three: "In May 1985, Ramseur held a gun while an associate raped, sodomized and robbed a pregnant 18-year-old woman on the rooftop of a Bronx building, and in 1986 was sentenced to 8? to 25 years in prison. According to the New York State Department of Corrections[75] inmate search site, Ramseur served his sentence and was released in July 2010. Ramseur was found dead of a drug overdose, in an apparent suicide, in a Bronx motel room on December 22, 2011, the 27th anniversary of the incident on the No. 2 train." "Barry Allen committed two robberies after the shooting, the first a 1986 chain snatching in the elevator of the building where he lived.[61] The second arrest, in May 1991, brought him a sentence of three and a half to seven years for probation violation and third degree robbery. He was released on parole in December 1995." "After a number of minor arrests for petty offenses, Troy Canty was ordered to undergo an 18-month drug treatment program at a rehabilitation center, which he completed in 1989.[79][80] He was later charged with assault, robbery, and resisting arrest in an altercation with his common-law wife in August 1996 but was not convicted and did not serve time." somebody should use that as a signature line |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought he should have been given an award. Me too |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:47:51 AM EDT
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He was a folk hero to the public. But not to government and their agencies, and not to minorities, who were the "innocent victims".
He should have received an honorary Masters degree in Having Balls, plus a lifetime pension. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:47:53 AM EDT
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I was in 7th grade at the time, From what I remember the media tried to portrayed Goetz as a racist Bronson like vigilante. I saw him as a nerdy guy, who got fed up being a victim, and decided to stand up to the ghetto trash that permeate that shithole know as New York City.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:48:52 AM EDT
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Sort of like the Travon deal.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:51:56 AM EDT
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I thought he should have been given an award. this. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:52:46 AM EDT
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Everybody I knew, black and white sided with Goetz.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:53:47 AM EDT
[#31]
good shoot
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:53:56 AM EDT
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He was a hero to most of Free America. I remember often hearing the word "hero" used. Oh, and "crimefighter." 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:55:04 AM EDT
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When he was on Opie and Anthony years ago they threw what Goetz thought was his CD to get a rise out of him. It got scary serious for a second, the guy appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
ETA: haha Master PO  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:55:05 AM EDT
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Regarded as a hero who finally had enough and stood up for what is right.
They said he was concerned for the bystanders after it happened and was making sure everybody was alright. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:55:43 AM EDT
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Hero of the people, enemy of the state.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:55:59 AM EDT
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My thoughts were he should have spent more time at the range and he should have been given medals/rewards.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:56:12 AM EDT
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I was living/working in NYC at the time. It was like the movie Death Wish coming true. He truly made the mistake of poor bullet placement  .Badguy #1 1 in a wheelchair, BG#2 one with a center mass hit, BG#3 one with 2 hits from one shot(arm and side of torso), BG#4 hit in the back/shoulder. that is 2 or 3 out of the fight from a .38 snubnose while under stress and having not practiced ever with the firearm (first shot was the first post factory shot that gun had fired based on loudness and forensic expert testimony). That is DANM good I would think. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:56:26 AM EDT
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Me and nearly everyone I knew thought that Goetz was justified in shooting the thugs.
The subsequent criminal activities of several of them confirmed that opinion. Me and everyone else also thought Goetz was foolish to have turned himself in. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:56:51 AM EDT
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Good.....with no grumpy cat.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:01:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought he should have been given an award. First, WTF? Old Guys? Second, +1 to the award.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:05:52 AM EDT
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Badguy #1 1 in a wheelchair, BG#2 one with a center mass hit, BG#3 one with 2 hits from one shot(arm and side of torso), BG#4 hit in the back/shoulder. that is 2 or 3 out of the fight from a .38 snubnose while under stress and having not practiced ever with the firearm (first shot was the first post factory shot that gun had fired based on loudness and forensic expert testimony). That is DANM good I would think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was living/working in NYC at the time. It was like the movie Death Wish coming true. He truly made the mistake of poor bullet placement .Badguy #1 1 in a wheelchair, BG#2 one with a center mass hit, BG#3 one with 2 hits from one shot(arm and side of torso), BG#4 hit in the back/shoulder. that is 2 or 3 out of the fight from a .38 snubnose while under stress and having not practiced ever with the firearm (first shot was the first post factory shot that gun had fired based on loudness and forensic expert testimony). That is DANM good I would think. DANM good, indeed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:07:20 AM EDT
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Sort of like the Travon deal. Yep, Bernie was a "vigilante" and the poor little children he shot were just going to play pinball when he gunned them down. ETA: I'm taking about the way he was treated by the media. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:07:36 AM EDT
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I don't remember the general public being so positive as some of you guys here make it out to being.
There were plenty of liberals who said he was a racist, and other liberals who said he was a vigailante acting as judge, jury, and executioner. ITS THE SAME LIBERAL CRAP YOU HEAR TODAY.....from the same wooses who'd rather be a defensless victim and think they need only be armed with a cell phone to dial 911 and stop their rape or murder in progress. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:08:17 AM EDT
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I was to busy screwing around in school to pay attention in 1984....was there consensus it was justified.......did he really look at one of the thugs after he shot him and say "mehhh, you look alright how about another one"....paraphrasing but you get the jest It seems pretty doubtful, since the kid in question only had one gunshot wound. But, I guess we have to take these upstanding youths at their word that they were "only [panhandling] asking for $5" rather than trying to get Goetz to draw his wallet, thereby making for a much easier mugging. This is perhaps the most common tactic in muggings: "hey, we'll go away if you just give us a buck" - no, bad things are about to happen to you. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:08:54 AM EDT
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I lived in northern New Jersey at the time and my father worked in New York City. Most of the opinions I recall agreed with the (untrue) "You don't look so bad, here's another," version of the shooting. IIRC, one of the area newspapers printed a retraction of some of their opinion columns when Troy Canty and James Ramseur admitted, years later, that they intended to rob Goetz.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:09:45 AM EDT
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Not much CCW back then, even outside NYC. Lots of handwringing over what he 'should' of done.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:12:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was to busy screwing around in school to pay attention in 1984....was there consensus it was justified.......did he really look at one of the thugs after he shot him and say "mehhh, you look alright how about another one"....paraphrasing but you get the jest No. Not during the shooting. But he apparently did say that while talking to the police later. Yes, his stupid comments without a lawyer present came back to hurt him... |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:13:37 AM EDT
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Everyone was pretty good with it except with the one. You don't look too bad. Here's another one comment .
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:13:40 AM EDT
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Good shoot.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:14:01 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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