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Posted: 4/22/2014 6:32:47 PM EDT
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Good beatdown?
Some of the comments say that "**** you" to an officer in WI is illegal..... Still seems out of line. Someone please make clicky. WI cop the boxer story |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Why stop there? Why not declare that only those in the political class are qualified to pass judgement on their fellow politicians. Only government bureaucrats are qualified to comment on the behavior of fellow bureaucrats. Sorry, but your statement is utter horseshit. This is still a fee country. Law enforcement is still ultimately answerable to the public. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Yes the average citizens views on use of foce incidents are for the most part worthless and unqualified. Why do you think there are court recognized expert witnesses on these subjects, up to and including deadly force uses? Are you one of those? Why stop there? Why not declare that only those in the political class are qualified to pass judgement on their fellow politicians. Only government bureaucrats are qualified to comment on the behavior of fellow bureaucrats. Sorry, but your statement is utter horseshit. This is still a fee country. Law enforcement is still ultimately answerable to the public. And I'm not arguing otherwise. What I am saying is YOU are not the one to simply pass judgement either. If there is a trial or charges, you would listen to people that know what they are talking about referencing this incident, and then make a decision. YOU are not one of those people that are qualified to offer testimony or opinion. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Well fuckin leave then. the cop was wrong. It is against the law to assault someone, even if you are a cop. You cant attack someone for saying fuck off. Even if saying fuck off is a crime it does not warrant punching a drunk. There are more of us that are sick of the "bad" cops abusing their office and sick of the people defending bad cops. The drunk probably deserved a night in the tank and a public drunk charge. The attack was BS and you know it. You are lying otherwise. edit: The sovereign citizen line is usually spouted from elitists. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Originally Posted By jmay622133: Originally Posted By PKT1106: Some day, someone is going to put a bullet in a cop's head for something like this. Right or wrong, it's going to be ugly. Use of force isn't pretty and that was tame. You seem to have a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth. I guess the police should let the drunk ass hat interfere with a arrest. Lol, typical police hating bullshit from this website. It's gotten pretty damn sovereign citizeny around here lately Well fuckin leave then. the cop was wrong. It is against the law to assault someone, even if you are a cop. You cant attack someone for saying fuck off. Even if saying fuck off is a crime it does not warrant punching a drunk. There are more of us that are sick of the "bad" cops abusing their office and sick of the people defending bad cops. The drunk probably deserved a night in the tank and a public drunk charge. The attack was BS and you know it. You are lying otherwise. edit: The sovereign citizen line is usually spouted from elitists. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
[ I'm assuming "secondary contact" was the temper tantrum that occurred after he said "fuck you". What grounds does the officer have to initiate a violent arrest after someone tells them "fuck you"? You said you'd do the same. Why? This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. Guy wasn't interfering with the arrest when he said "fuck you". Once he was pushed away he kept his distance. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:23:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaElite777:
I see. I guess all those hundreds of hours of training and coursework wasn't worth much then. 
Your typical cop being labeled an expert on the use of force is about is laughable as a stewardess being labeled an expert on aerodynamics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
And you're not a cop, so your opinion on police use of force tactics are about as useful as a trombone in a car garage. Sarcasm? Or epic idiocy? Your post is one or the other. Nope, blunt truth given to people who like to vent behind the safety of their keyboards. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you "expert" opinion givers, but your arguments are worth about as much as a pack of gum costs in these situations. I see. I guess all those hundreds of hours of training and coursework wasn't worth much then.
Your typical cop being labeled an expert on the use of force is about is laughable as a stewardess being labeled an expert on aerodynamics. The guy has 200 posts in 7 years. This is the thread that really gets him going. Please don't run off such an expert witness. I'm sure it's not a troll account or anything. I mean it's not like police departments have civilian boards tasked with investigating complaints about alleged misconduct or anything. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaElite777:
I see. I guess all those hundreds of hours of training and coursework wasn't worth much then.
Your typical cop being labeled an expert on the use of force is about is laughable as your typical stewardess being labeled an expert on aerodynamics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
And you're not a cop, so your opinion on police use of force tactics are about as useful as a trombone in a car garage. Sarcasm? Or epic idiocy? Your post is one or the other. Nope, blunt truth given to people who like to vent behind the safety of their keyboards. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you "expert" opinion givers, but your arguments are worth about as much as a pack of gum costs in these situations. I see. I guess all those hundreds of hours of training and coursework wasn't worth much then.
Your typical cop being labeled an expert on the use of force is about is laughable as your typical stewardess being labeled an expert on aerodynamics. Where did I say a typical cop is an expert? You may want to spend a little more time on some of that coursework because I think reading comprehension is lacking. I said expert witness, I would not be called as an expert witness, neither would you, so again your opinion is really just words posted on an internet board. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
And I'm not arguing otherwise. What I am saying is YOU are not the one to simply pass judgement either. If there is a trial or charges, you would listen to people that know what they are talking about referencing this incident, and then make a decision. YOU are not one of those people that are qualified to offer testimony or opinion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Yes the average citizens views on use of foce incidents are for the most part worthless and unqualified. Why do you think there are court recognized expert witnesses on these subjects, up to and including deadly force uses? Are you one of those? Why stop there? Why not declare that only those in the political class are qualified to pass judgement on their fellow politicians. Only government bureaucrats are qualified to comment on the behavior of fellow bureaucrats. Sorry, but your statement is utter horseshit. This is still a fee country. Law enforcement is still ultimately answerable to the public. And I'm not arguing otherwise. What I am saying is YOU are not the one to simply pass judgement either. If there is a trial or charges, you would listen to people that know what they are talking about referencing this incident, and then make a decision. YOU are not one of those people that are qualified to offer testimony or opinion. I am so unimpressed with most expert witnesses that you simply could not fathom it. That said, you are right. I would not be offering expert testimony in a trial. However I could well be on that jury making the decision. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Sorry to break it to you, but if an officer gets sufficiently out of line he will be judged by twelve ordinary citizens. Don't believe me? Ask this guy ...... http://www.startribune.com/local/north/215135261.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
And you're not a cop, so your opinion on police use of force tactics are about as useful as a trombone in a car garage. Sarcasm? Or epic idiocy? Your post is one or the other. Nope, blunt truth given to people who like to vent behind the safety of their keyboards. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you "expert" opinion givers, but your arguments are worth about as much as a pack of gum costs in these situations. Sorry to break it to you, but if an officer gets sufficiently out of line he will be judged by twelve ordinary citizens. Don't believe me? Ask this guy ...... http://www.startribune.com/local/north/215135261.html Yeah that's pretty much what I said. Read my post again. 12 citizens would pass judgement after listening to people that are qualified to testify about this stuff. You Sir are not one of those people. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bmslade:
God, I hope you're not a cop. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bmslade:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By ARmory04:
What the hell was "brutal" about that"...??? Nothing at all. It is perceived as brutal by people who have never been involved in use of force instances, they know not of what they speak. Ah, so the average citizen's views on the actions of law enforcement are unqualified and therefore to be dismissed. In other words we must simply rely on the police to police themselves. Yes the average citizens views on use of foce incidents are for the most part worthless and unqualified. Why do you think there are court recognized expert witnesses on these subjects, up to and including deadly force uses? Are you one of those? God, I hope you're not a cop. Well guess what chief? Look at my username and decide where I might have come up with that. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:26:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DeltaElite777]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
Where did I say a typical cop is an expert? You may want to spend a little more time on some of that coursework because I think reading comprehension is lacking. I said expert witness, I would not be called as an expert witness, neither would you, so again your opinion is really just words posted on an internet board. So these magical "expert witnesses" behind the curtain are the only people who ever pass judgment on the actions of cops? You live in fucking fantasyland. Pretty much any "expert witness" brought in by one side of a trial is going to be countered by an "expert witness" brought in by the other. Their testimony is window dressing, and a jobs program for retired cops.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Guy wasn't interfering with the arrest when he said "fuck you". Once he was pushed away he kept his distance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
[ I'm assuming "secondary contact" was the temper tantrum that occurred after he said "fuck you". What grounds does the officer have to initiate a violent arrest after someone tells them "fuck you"? You said you'd do the same. Why? This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. Guy wasn't interfering with the arrest when he said "fuck you". Once he was pushed away he kept his distance. No he didn't. He began to advance again. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:29:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobodyg17:
The guy has 200 posts in 7 years. This is the thread that really gets him going. Please don't run off such an expert witness. I'm sure it's not a troll account or anything. I mean it's not like police departments have civilian boards tasked with investigating complaints about alleged misconduct or anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nobodyg17:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
And you're not a cop, so your opinion on police use of force tactics are about as useful as a trombone in a car garage. Sarcasm? Or epic idiocy? Your post is one or the other. Nope, blunt truth given to people who like to vent behind the safety of their keyboards. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you "expert" opinion givers, but your arguments are worth about as much as a pack of gum costs in these situations. I see. I guess all those hundreds of hours of training and coursework wasn't worth much then.
Your typical cop being labeled an expert on the use of force is about is laughable as a stewardess being labeled an expert on aerodynamics. The guy has 200 posts in 7 years. This is the thread that really gets him going. Please don't run off such an expert witness. I'm sure it's not a troll account or anything. I mean it's not like police departments have civilian boards tasked with investigating complaints about alleged misconduct or anything. What does my post count have to do with anything? Some kind of dick measuring device used for you guys? Exactly how many departments do you think have civilian review boards? Probably about 10 total in the whole country, and those were a result of consent decrees by the feds. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:29:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
No he didn't. He began to advance again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
[ I'm assuming "secondary contact" was the temper tantrum that occurred after he said "fuck you". What grounds does the officer have to initiate a violent arrest after someone tells them "fuck you"? You said you'd do the same. Why? This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. Guy wasn't interfering with the arrest when he said "fuck you". Once he was pushed away he kept his distance. No he didn't. He began to advance again. Are we watching the same video? When he is shoved he backs out of the cameras FOV and when the camera pans on the officer running after him he is almost already in the street. I did not see any more advancing. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:30:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PKT1106:
Some day, someone is going to put a bullet in a cop's head for something like this. Right or wrong, it's going to be ugly. Dude you need to go the fuck off this site. The cops were making and arrest. The drunk was interferring and was pushed away. He then wanted to run his mouth. I have zero issues with any of this. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaElite777:
So these magical "expert witnesses" behind the curtain are the only people who ever pass judgment on the actions of cops? You live in fucking fantasyland. Pretty much any "expert witness" brought in by one side of a trial is going to be countered by an "expert witness" brought in by the other. Their testimony is window dressing, and a jobs program for retired cops. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Where did I say a typical cop is an expert? You may want to spend a little more time on some of that coursework because I think reading comprehension is lacking. I said expert witness, I would not be called as an expert witness, neither would you, so again your opinion is really just words posted on an internet board. So these magical "expert witnesses" behind the curtain are the only people who ever pass judgment on the actions of cops? You live in fucking fantasyland. Pretty much any "expert witness" brought in by one side of a trial is going to be countered by an "expert witness" brought in by the other. Their testimony is window dressing, and a jobs program for retired cops. Really? What experience do you have to state that? And again, reading comprehension. I never said the experts or other cops would pass judgement. I said 12 citizens would, and I would bet my next paycheck he would be found not guilty of assault in a trial. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
So are you against big government but for the government handing out beatings? Because at the end of the day that's what this is. I don't like it when Obama oversteps the bounds of his office. Don't care for it from my local LEO either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:
The founders of this formerly great nation did not have to deal with one quarter of the shit we do today. Not hardly. Distribute beatings. Bring back lynching. Televise executions. Legalize dueling. So are you against big government but for the government handing out beatings? Because at the end of the day that's what this is. I don't like it when Obama oversteps the bounds of his office. Don't care for it from my local LEO either. Yes. I am sorry that my position is not consistent. I am against big government and I am for beatings. I would prefer that the beatings were directed towards the violent or corrupt, but I'll watch the rude and unwashed take them, too. The problem is that only government employees are free to engage in this behavior. If that were not the case, I would have been taking public transportation for the last 20 years. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hooligan223:
I didn't see an "angry crowd". One loud mouthed drunk yelling at the cops and the guy that got slammed was trying to calm him down and that's the thanks he gets. He only got upset and started shouting after the cop shoved him for asking a question. Just another group of young people who now have a negative opinion of the police. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hooligan223:
Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
Originally Posted By Ret_Puddle_Pirate:
Originally Posted By Yor:
Originally Posted By Ret_Puddle_Pirate:
I suspect that only the end is recorded. No info on why the police were called, or what the guy was arrested for. The video implies that "Fuck You" is the reason for arrest. Anyone with only half a functioning brain would take this as the whole incident. I think he was asking why his buddy was getting arrested and then said the F you when the cop pushed him back. But yeah, we don't know what all was going on ahead of time. I didn't see an "angry crowd". One loud mouthed drunk yelling at the cops and the guy that got slammed was trying to calm him down and that's the thanks he gets. He only got upset and started shouting after the cop shoved him for asking a question. Just another group of young people who now have a negative opinion of the police. BS looked like he was holding the guy getting arrested arm and asking why was he getting arrested. He was pushed away. Why do people think they have the right to know why someone is getting arrested? It's none of your business. Crowd the cops when they are taking someone into custody and get pushed and go to jail. Pretty simple. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:37:31 PM EDT
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JBTs gonna JBT
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
[ BS looked like he was holding the guy getting arrested arm and asking why was he getting arrested. He was pushed away. Why do people think they have the right to know why someone is getting arrested? It's none of your business. Crowd the cops when they are taking someone into custody and get pushed and go to jail. Pretty simple. Pretty good summation of the incident. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fingerpicker:
Yes. I am sorry that my position is not consistent. I am against big government and I am for beatings. I would prefer that the beatings were directed towards the violent or corrupt, but I'll watch the rude and unwashed take them, too. The problem is that only government employees are free to engage in this behavior. If that were not the case, I would have been taking public transportation for the last 20 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fingerpicker:
Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:
The founders of this formerly great nation did not have to deal with one quarter of the shit we do today. Not hardly. Distribute beatings. Bring back lynching. Televise executions. Legalize dueling. So are you against big government but for the government handing out beatings? Because at the end of the day that's what this is. I don't like it when Obama oversteps the bounds of his office. Don't care for it from my local LEO either. Yes. I am sorry that my position is not consistent. I am against big government and I am for beatings. I would prefer that the beatings were directed towards the violent or corrupt, but I'll watch the rude and unwashed take them, too. The problem is that only government employees are free to engage in this behavior. If that were not the case, I would have been taking public transportation for the last 20 years. Then you're all for government stepping outside of its bounds. So don't bitch if it steps out of its bounds and steps on you. See the thing is, we actually have this thing called a "legal process" and it does not consist of officers acting as judge and jury and issuing punishments. Down that road lies a completely out of control government. A road we've already traveled a fair piece down. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:38:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
[ I'm assuming "secondary contact" was the temper tantrum that occurred after he said "fuck you". What grounds does the officer have to initiate a violent arrest after someone tells them "fuck you"? You said you'd do the same. Why? This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. That's fine but slamming him up against the car, slamming him to the ground, hitting him in the face was absolutely uncalled for and he should be arrested and tried for it. There is no doubt the officer has anger issues and lost his cool. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:40:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmike66:
The pushaway is fine, but reacting to " fuck you " by bull rushing the kid, slamming him into the car, throwing him on the ground and punching him in the face is not doing your job. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmike66:
Originally Posted By Reddawg318:
I don't see anything wrong with it. Cop arrested one, was in the process of arresting another (not sure why) and third douche decides to get involved and crowd the cops doing their job. Cops need space to do their job without worrying about some other fucktard getting in their space and interfering. Cop pushed him away, how does the cop know that he's not handing something or getting something to/from his buddy? I am not a Cop and I think some go out of their way to be dicks. In this case I see the cop doing the right thing. My son is a cop though and if he was in a similar situation I would help him pay a lawyer to fight any attempts by the douche or the PD from "punishing" suing him. The pushaway is fine, but reacting to " fuck you " by bull rushing the kid, slamming him into the car, throwing him on the ground and punching him in the face is not doing your job. Why not? The guy was going to jail most likely for interferring with the arrest. He was pushed away and started yelling. He was taken down. Here he could be charged with resisting arrest x2, disorderly and most likely PI too. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:40:28 PM EDT
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I have a couple of questions....
1) When did the subject know he was under the rest? (The one taken to the street) On resisting arrest 2) If you do not know or do not hear your under arrest and someone starts to hit you OR has an arm bar across your neck.. are you not able to fend off a blow? Couldn't the drunk guy say "well he never said I was under arrest and he had blocked my airway and started hitting me.. I just was protecting my face." |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brboyer:
Looks like some drunk asshole is gonna get a paycheck. Good. Hopefully the pig gets fired. He doesn't deserve to be a police officer. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jonny712:
JBTs gonna JBT Laugh, out, loud. Very good contribution to the discussion. You want to hang out some time? I would love to hear the other pearls of wisdom you might find the time to grace us with. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
BS looked like he was holding the guy getting arrested arm and asking why was he getting arrested. He was pushed away. Why do people think they have the right to know why someone is getting arrested? It's none of your business. Crowd the cops when they are taking someone into custody and get pushed and go to jail. Pretty simple. All of which is completely irrelevant since it is obvious that none of those things prompted the beating. The beating was prompted when the officer lost his temper after hearing "fuck you". |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:41:52 PM EDT
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If you can't handle a "fuck you" you need to find a new line of work.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:42:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighAltitude:
That's fine but slamming him up against the car, slamming him to the ground, hitting him in the face was absolutely uncalled for and he should be arrested and tried for it. There is no doubt the officer has anger issues and lost his cool. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighAltitude:
Originally Posted By K9346:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
[ I'm assuming "secondary contact" was the temper tantrum that occurred after he said "fuck you". What grounds does the officer have to initiate a violent arrest after someone tells them "fuck you"? You said you'd do the same. Why? This is what I'm talking about. The officer decided to make an arrest not for the "fuck you" comment, but for interfering with another arrest after being told to leave, and then pushed away. Obviously drunk dude didn't get the message then, so cop arrests him. I seriously doubt it was for simply saying fuck you, so don't try to isolate the incident down to simply that. That's fine but slamming him up against the car, slamming him to the ground, hitting him in the face was absolutely uncalled for and he should be arrested and tried for it. There is no doubt the officer has anger issues and lost his cool. And this is my point. Things like this happen all the time. When a suspect is not compliant, you use force. IT IS VERY UGLY when that happens. All told the cop made a couple of distraction blows on the guy to get him to ball up and quite moving, big deal. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
Why not? The guy was going to jail most likely for interferring with the arrest. He was pushed away and started yelling. He was taken down. Here he could be charged with resisting arrest x2, disorderly and most likely PI too. By all means arrest the asshole if he is interfering with an arrest. But you don't get to throw punches just because he pissed you off, which is exactly what happened here. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NukaCola:
Good. Hopefully the pig gets fired. He doesn't deserve to be a police officer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NukaCola:
Originally Posted By brboyer:
Looks like some drunk asshole is gonna get a paycheck. Good. Hopefully the pig gets fired. He doesn't deserve to be a police officer. And another MENSA candidate joins the discussion. I love a lively debate. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If you can't handle a "fuck you" you need to find a new line of work. Thank you sir. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:46:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Hopefully he sues. He'll win. And cops wonder why they are generally hated. Not that all cops are bad, but the shit head ones make them all look bad. He'll lose. Cops don't care because people like you are clueless. The guy was interferring with an arrest, he was taken down and resisted while on the ground. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
He'll lose. Cops don't care because people like you are clueless. The guy was interferring with an arrest, he was taken down and resisted while on the ground. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Hopefully he sues. He'll win. And cops wonder why they are generally hated. Not that all cops are bad, but the shit head ones make them all look bad. He'll lose. Cops don't care because people like you are clueless. The guy was interferring with an arrest, he was taken down and resisted while on the ground. Pretty much this. If I wanted the public to love me I would of been a firefighter |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:48:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
I dunno. I walk up to anyone and tell them to fuck off I expect to get my ass beat Personally, I'd look at you like you were an asshole and just walk away. But that's just me. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:49:20 PM EDT
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[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
By all means arrest the asshole if he is interfering with an arrest. But you don't get to throw punches just because he pissed you off, which is exactly what happened here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By mototard:
Why not? The guy was going to jail most likely for interferring with the arrest. He was pushed away and started yelling. He was taken down. Here he could be charged with resisting arrest x2, disorderly and most likely PI too. By all means arrest the asshole if he is interfering with an arrest. But you don't get to throw punches just because he pissed you off, which is exactly what happened here. No you don't understand. That's SOP of a level IV takedown with distracting strikes in a non permissive environment when dynamic factors are taking place in a insubordinate environment where typical lateral effects are rendered unusable and difficult. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:50:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02:
JBT lost his cool, but stuff like this never happens, isolated incident. Let me tell you about the thousands of crimes these cops have prevented.... Ever take a statistics class? |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:50:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If you can't handle a "fuck you" you need to find a new line of work. You are correct. But if you interfere with an arrest then want to get more attention, don't be surprised to then be arrested. The strikes... well, I am not sure about those. You can see him grab the officer's arm, but it looks more like a stabilizing grab rather than aggression. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:50:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
BS looked like he was holding the guy getting arrested arm and asking why was he getting arrested. He was pushed away. Why do people think they have the right to know why someone is getting arrested? It's none of your business. Crowd the cops when they are taking someone into custody and get pushed and go to jail. Pretty simple. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
Originally Posted By hooligan223:
I didn't see an "angry crowd". One loud mouthed drunk yelling at the cops and the guy that got slammed was trying to calm him down and that's the thanks he gets. He only got upset and started shouting after the cop shoved him for asking a question. Just another group of young people who now have a negative opinion of the police. BS looked like he was holding the guy getting arrested arm and asking why was he getting arrested. He was pushed away. Why do people think they have the right to know why someone is getting arrested? It's none of your business. Crowd the cops when they are taking someone into custody and get pushed and go to jail. Pretty simple. Maybe people have the right to know bc they pay for it you dumbass. Police is a public office. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:51:13 PM EDT
[#38]
Again,
When did he tell the drunk guy he was under arrest? My guess is after the "Distracting" strikes. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:52:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50:
Maybe people have the right to know bc they pay for it you dumbass. Police is a public office. You have the right to know why someone else is being arrested? Ok. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:54:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesandstertx:
Yes, and you can also damage another innocent parties' vehicle in the process with no repercussion Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesandstertx:
Originally Posted By Yor:
Originally Posted By hyperjoe:
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
I dunno. I walk up to anyone and tell them to fuck off I expect to get my ass beat So does that mean I can beat anyone that says F You and not get charged? Yes, and you can also damage another innocent parties' vehicle in the process with no repercussion It all belongs to the king in the end. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:55:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin:
i don't see a temper tantrum, I see a guy having fun.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin:
Originally Posted By PanzAR:
Originally Posted By John-in-austin:
Cops don't give a shit about the opinion of drunks. It looks like it hurt his feelings enough to go on a temper tantrum and start throwing punches... i don't see a temper tantrum, I see a guy having fun. You're a disgrace. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:56:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yor:
Again, When did he tell the drunk guy he was under arrest? My guess is after the "Distracting" strikes. Under the 4th Amendment, a seizure is affected when a show of authority or force is displayed. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:59:37 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
It all belongs to the king in the end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Originally Posted By thesandstertx:
Originally Posted By Yor:
Originally Posted By hyperjoe:
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
I dunno. I walk up to anyone and tell them to fuck off I expect to get my ass beat So does that mean I can beat anyone that says F You and not get charged? Yes, and you can also damage another innocent parties' vehicle in the process with no repercussion It all belongs to the king in the end. Looks like a "plainclothes" Dodge Magnum, with red/blues going in the rear window. So it actually IS the King's. 
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:01:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50:
Maybe people have the right to know bc they pay for it you dumbass. Police is a public office. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50:
Originally Posted By mototard:
Originally Posted By hooligan223:
I didn't see an "angry crowd". One loud mouthed drunk yelling at the cops and the guy that got slammed was trying to calm him down and that's the thanks he gets. He only got upset and started shouting after the cop shoved him for asking a question. Just another group of young people who now have a negative opinion of the police. BS looked like he was holding the guy getting arrested arm and asking why was he getting arrested. He was pushed away. Why do people think they have the right to know why someone is getting arrested? It's none of your business. Crowd the cops when they are taking someone into custody and get pushed and go to jail. Pretty simple. Maybe people have the right to know bc they pay for it you dumbass. Police is a public office. Lulz. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:01:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MIDGAPATRIOT:
One day shit is gonna get really ugly. It'll be bad for all involved, but worse for some. Can't say they didn't ask for it though.  Bring it. Like we are worried about a bunch basement dwellers. First you'd have to come out of your moms basement. Your mom won't be able to bring you hot pockets and pizza bites outside in the mean ole world. You'd better keep your ass in the basement. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:02:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Under the 4th Amendment, a seizure is affected when a show of authority or force is displayed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Yor:
Again, When did he tell the drunk guy he was under arrest? My guess is after the "Distracting" strikes. Under the 4th Amendment, a seizure is affected when a show of authority or force is displayed. Interesting. Obviously I haven't ever resisted arrest... but it seems to me that if a cop shoves me across a car without saying anything to me and I land on my back and he strikes me, I would try to protect my face... Which would be resisting arrest. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:02:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
I'd have handled it differently. Officers spent too much divided attention with Mr. Drunk and Asky. I have no problem with the officer's push away, nor the secondary contact, but taking Mr. Drunk and Asky out into the street was bad JuJu for both of them. Mr. D and A then grabbed officer's hands and was visibly resisting him, fight was on. I didn't see a beat down, I did see some distraction strikes to his head and face. If it was me, I'd have dealt with asshole about the same way, but taken him to the ground on the sidewalk or immediately adjacent to the curb. Rolling out into the street is a good way to get run over. Curbside outside of a bar at closing time is not the time or place to debate legalities, what one believes, or to loudly voice drunken indignities. It's most definitely not the time to get into an officer's face and interfere with an arrest. Plan accordingly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
LOL at video. LOLier at GD comments. I wish I could laugh at someone that thinks that is acceptable behavior on the part of that officer. Funny, nowhere in what I wrote did I state my viewpoint. Did I? What do you think of this one depidy? I'd have handled it differently. Officers spent too much divided attention with Mr. Drunk and Asky. I have no problem with the officer's push away, nor the secondary contact, but taking Mr. Drunk and Asky out into the street was bad JuJu for both of them. Mr. D and A then grabbed officer's hands and was visibly resisting him, fight was on. I didn't see a beat down, I did see some distraction strikes to his head and face. If it was me, I'd have dealt with asshole about the same way, but taken him to the ground on the sidewalk or immediately adjacent to the curb. Rolling out into the street is a good way to get run over. Curbside outside of a bar at closing time is not the time or place to debate legalities, what one believes, or to loudly voice drunken indignities. It's most definitely not the time to get into an officer's face and interfere with an arrest. Plan accordingly. So, the next time one of your fellow officer gets his ass kicked you will only charge the perp with use of "distraction tactics".... Right? |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:02:42 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Looks like a "plainclothes" Dodge Magnum, with red/blues going in the rear window. So it actually IS the King's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
It all belongs to the king in the end. Looks like a "plainclothes" Dodge Magnum, with red/blues going in the rear window. So it actually IS the King's. Touche. 
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:05:22 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
Bring it. Like we are worried about a bunch basement dwellers. First you'd have to come out of your moms basement. Your mom won't be able to bring you hot pockets and pizza bites outside in the mean ole world. You'd better keep your ass in the basement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mototard:
Originally Posted By MIDGAPATRIOT:
One day shit is gonna get really ugly. It'll be bad for all involved, but worse for some. Can't say they didn't ask for it though. Bring it. Like we are worried about a bunch basement dwellers. First you'd have to come out of your moms basement. Your mom won't be able to bring you hot pockets and pizza bites outside in the mean ole world. You'd better keep your ass in the basement. "It's gonna get really ugly. They totally asked for it." - 
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Posted: 4/22/2014 11:05:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chadjetlag:
So, the next time one of your fellow officer gets his ass kicked you will only charge the perp with use of "distraction tactics".... Right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chadjetlag:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
I'd have handled it differently. Officers spent too much divided attention with Mr. Drunk and Asky. I have no problem with the officer's push away, nor the secondary contact, but taking Mr. Drunk and Asky out into the street was bad JuJu for both of them. Mr. D and A then grabbed officer's hands and was visibly resisting him, fight was on. I didn't see a beat down, I did see some distraction strikes to his head and face. If it was me, I'd have dealt with asshole about the same way, but taken him to the ground on the sidewalk or immediately adjacent to the curb. Rolling out into the street is a good way to get run over. Curbside outside of a bar at closing time is not the time or place to debate legalities, what one believes, or to loudly voice drunken indignities. It's most definitely not the time to get into an officer's face and interfere with an arrest. Plan accordingly. So, the next time one of your fellow officer gets his ass kicked you will only charge the perp with use of "distraction tactics".... Right? You really do have to love the verbal sleight of hand of calling a beating "distraction tactics". |
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