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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:06:26 PM EDT
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This thread already sucks.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:06:53 PM EDT
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I'm all for the death penalty in principle. I don't trust the courts or the people to administer it universally.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:07:17 PM EDT
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Of Course.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:07:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Specifically those who believe that nearly as soon as your death sentence is handed down, you should be swiftly executed.... Would your opinion on it change if you were wrongly convicted and you were sitting on the injection chair? inb4pole |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:08:54 PM EDT
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It's not that simple. Most people would not be for such a thing unless there is overwhelming evidence of guilt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Specifically those who believe that nearly as soon as your death sentence is handed down, you should be swiftly executed.... Would your opinion on it change if you were wrongly convicted and you were sitting on the injection chair? inb4pole I have seen plenty of people here in GD who believe there should not be a death row, and that people should be executed a lot sooner. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:10:02 PM EDT
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One of the last worries I've got is being wrongly convicted and executed.
Now a days at my age I'd die in prison any way. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:10:57 PM EDT
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The people wrongly executed would be outnumbered by the people whos lives were saved due to the shortage of repeat offenders.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:11:51 PM EDT
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I hate criminals, especially murderers and rapists as much as anybody, but, man, you can't ever take the death penalty back. Best to just keep people on ice until they die - it's probably going to cost the same anyway (because we are understandably afraid of fucking it up when we do execute them) and I just don't think that the government and the courts are trustworthy enough to make irrevocable decisions like that.
The bigger question is about the actual purpose of prison. Is it: 1. The protection of the public from dangerous people 2. Revenge for the victims/Punishment or misery for the guilty/Deterrence for offenders-yet-to-be 3. The rehabilitation of criminals so that they can become useful citizens Whether it achieves any of those is still a third question. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:16:29 PM EDT
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If I'm wrongfully accused, convicted, and sentenced to die, I'm gonna give them a real reason to do it, on my terms.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:20:17 PM EDT
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believing in the death penalty has nothing to do with being wrongly executed. That's not the death penalties fault that a lot of other factors. Ones that involve people.
There are crimes that people should be killed right away for and we move on. Human error is human error though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:24:15 PM EDT
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I think back 100 years, military trials, found guilty, shot next morning.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:25:20 PM EDT
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I think there's a happy medium- say one and only one automatic appeal after one year to a three judge panel. If there's no new evidence in favor of the defense that could change the outcome of the original trial and no material problems found with the original trial then proceed immediately. In the case of wrongful death of the convicted, the states should carry insurance and in most cases I dare say the next of kin of someone who ended up on death row will be quite satisfied with a life-making payout.
Once that is settled, start hanging people for armed robbery & election fraud. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:28:53 PM EDT
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You know the scumbag who bombed the Boston Marathon last year?
Why don't you take him in to live with you OP? Oh; and first post wins again. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:31:22 PM EDT
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You know the scumbag who bombed the Boston Marathon last year? Why don't you take him in to live with you OP? Oh; and first post wins again. You are trying too hard. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:32:21 PM EDT
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System is fine how it is. Appeals are there so this shit doesn't happen and how many times has it really happened?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:33:12 PM EDT
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This is like the question "If someone shot you, would you advocate gun control?"
Kind of silly, really. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think back 100 years, military trials, found guilty, shot next morning. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:36:55 PM EDT
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My girlfriend's daughter was raped and murdered at the age of 12. The bastard has now bean on death row for 14 years, yes, longer than she was alive. He admitted to the crime and led authorities to her body in the woods. In cases like that, where there is no doubt whatsoever, a swifter punishment is desperately needed. It is gut wrenching to the family to have to relive the pain all over again each time a judge/court allows yet another stupid appeal.
I can see cases where confessions are not given, and there is a tiny shred of doubt, that a longer appeals process might have merit. The Memphis Three were acquitted years later for instance. But where no doubt exists, fry the bastards asap and give the families the chance to move on. 
Oh, and I might add that lawyers are a big part of this country's demise. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:38:37 PM EDT
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This is like the question "If someone shot you, would you advocate gun control?" Kind of silly, really. The distinction is primarily if you think that there should be a death row (i.e., a duration a time where appeals can occur and new evidence can come to light), and swift immediate execution where there never could be new evidence or appeals. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:45:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:46:07 PM EDT
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The distinction is primarily if you think that there should be a death row (i.e., a duration a time where appeals can occur and new evidence can come to light), and swift immediate execution where there never could be new evidence or appeals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is like the question "If someone shot you, would you advocate gun control?" Kind of silly, really. The distinction is primarily if you think that there should be a death row (i.e., a duration a time where appeals can occur and new evidence can come to light), and swift immediate execution where there never could be new evidence or appeals.  
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:46:44 PM EDT
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I am a fan of the old quote
I'd allow 1,000 bad men to go free to save the life of one innocent man. At the same time I think appeals should only be allowed in cases where the proof isnt beyond all doubt. And then there should be a set number of appeals. 3 or less. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:48:21 PM EDT
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To many innocent people have been convicted. Until that stops the death penalty should be stopped.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:48:28 PM EDT
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This is like the question "If someone shot you, would you advocate gun control?" Kind of silly, really. The distinction is primarily if you think that there should be a death row (i.e., a duration a time where appeals can occur and new evidence can come to light), and swift immediate execution where there never could be new evidence or appeals. Do you have an obsession with me or something? Click. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:50:05 PM EDT
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Well that was easy. Way to put on your big boy pants this morning, little guy.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:50:32 PM EDT
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You are trying too hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know the scumbag who bombed the Boston Marathon last year? Why don't you take him in to live with you OP? Oh; and first post wins again. You are trying too hard. Nah; I'm just familiar with liberals and the slimy false conundrums they spew. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:52:22 PM EDT
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I am a fan of the old quote I'd allow 1,000 bad men to go free to save the life of one innocent man. At the same time I think appeals should only be allowed in cases where the proof isnt beyond all doubt. And then there should be a set number of appeals. 3 or less. Not sure if you are saying you agree with that quote or not. It would royally suck to be the one innocent guy, however I'd rather have 1000 dead badguys and one poor soul mistakenly killed than 1000 badguys roaming to do as they will 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:53:21 PM EDT
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I support the death penalty just like I support firearms ownership. Why? It's a simple math equation really. It helps to create a discouraging and non-permissive environment. If you don't get killed doing something criminal than you will be killed when you get caught. Since self preservation is the most basic function of every human being on the planet it makes you think twice before you do something that could get you killed. Even if you didn't then ultimately the criminal populace would be lowered regardless so really a win win in my book.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:55:08 PM EDT
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To many innocent people have been convicted. Until that stops the death penalty should be stopped. So, if a person is serving life in prison because there's no death penalty and they manage to kill a prison guard 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:55:16 PM EDT
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Not sure if you are saying you agree with that quote or not. It would royally suck to be the one innocent guy, however I'd rather have 1000 dead badguys and one poor soul mistakenly killed than 1000 badguys roaming to do as they will Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am a fan of the old quote I'd allow 1,000 bad men to go free to save the life of one innocent man. At the same time I think appeals should only be allowed in cases where the proof isnt beyond all doubt. And then there should be a set number of appeals. 3 or less. Not sure if you are saying you agree with that quote or not. It would royally suck to be the one innocent guy, however I'd rather have 1000 dead badguys and one poor soul mistakenly killed than 1000 badguys roaming to do as they will How would you feel if you were the one who was being sacrificed for "the greater good"? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:55:52 PM EDT
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Specifically those who believe that nearly as soon as your death sentence is handed down, you should be swiftly executed.... (No death row) Would your opinion on it change if you were wrongly convicted and you were sitting on the injection chair after being wrongly convicted of murder? inb4pole OP likes poles 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:56:53 PM EDT
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Every death penalty sentence should automatically result in a full retrial to be held at a time of the defendant's choosing,
but not later than five years after his conviction. That SHOULD be adequate time to prove they got the wrong guy, if in fat they did get the wrong guy. But at the same time I believe that when the guilt of the suspect is absolutely beyond doubt, when he confessed with accurate detail, and/or the event was witnessed by a great many people and/or the event was recorded with high quality, where there IS no doubt of guilt, then in that case the death penalty should be executed quickly. Quickly being a word that is subject to some degree of interpretation. Not ten years from now, but not ten minutes after the verdict, either. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:57:05 PM EDT
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This thread already sucks. ibtp Stupid choices for the poll as well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:57:11 PM EDT
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How would you feel if you were the one who was being sacrificed for "the greater good"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am a fan of the old quote I'd allow 1,000 bad men to go free to save the life of one innocent man. At the same time I think appeals should only be allowed in cases where the proof isnt beyond all doubt. And then there should be a set number of appeals. 3 or less. Not sure if you are saying you agree with that quote or not. It would royally suck to be the one innocent guy, however I'd rather have 1000 dead badguys and one poor soul mistakenly killed than 1000 badguys roaming to do as they will How would you feel if you were the one who was being sacrificed for "the greater good"? I'd be fine with it as much as I hate it. Why? Because I understand statistics. It sucks but that's reality. By your logic we shouldn't have militarizes since we know people are bound to die. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:57:26 PM EDT
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Specifically those who believe that nearly as soon as your death sentence is handed down, you should be swiftly executed.... (No death row) Would your opinion on it change if you were wrongly convicted and you were sitting on the injection chair after being wrongly convicted of murder? inb4pole OP likes poles QFT |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:58:35 PM EDT
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Specifically those who believe that nearly as soon as your death sentence is handed down, you should be swiftly executed.... (No death row) Would your opinion on it change if you were wrongly convicted and you were sitting on the injection chair after being wrongly convicted of murder? inb4pole I really hate airplanes when I'm on one and its about to crash
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:00:40 PM EDT
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Anyone who supports the death penalty should be forced to attend an actual trial. Our justice system is probably the best in the world and even still, it stinks.
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a liberal hippie but I don't trust the government to lawfully kill people. I do support making prisons as unbearable as possible and without any sense of luxury. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:01:32 PM EDT
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You question and poll sucks.
I want neither instant execution nor long term death row. I want 1 year death row. During that 1 year you should get a couple "retrials". 1 year later, if you're not found not guilty, your choice of death penalty is executed. I think the person being executed should have a few choices - hanging, injection, chair, firing squad. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:04:48 PM EDT
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Good and ballsy question on GD. Everything is fine and dandy until you're facing capital murder charges. You have to wonder how often it happens to people who didn't deserve it.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:08:21 PM EDT
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I have seen plenty of people here in GD who believe there should not be a death row, and that people should be executed a lot sooner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Specifically those who believe that nearly as soon as your death sentence is handed down, you should be swiftly executed.... Would your opinion on it change if you were wrongly convicted and you were sitting on the injection chair? inb4pole I have seen plenty of people here in GD who believe there should not be a death row, and that people should be executed a lot sooner. Yup. HURR DURR Take 'em out the courthouse and feed em into a wood chipper dick first! A furdy five to the head is a lot cheaper than keeping them on death row for 87 years! etc etc This place hates the government with a burning passion and wouldn't trust the government to plan a birthday party for a 5 year old but when it comes to the death penalty everything is perfect. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:09:20 PM EDT
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You know the scumbag who bombed the Boston Marathon last year? Why don't you take him in to live with you OP? Oh; and first post wins again. Are you okay with killing an innocent person to justify the death of a 1000 scumbags? You going to pull the trigger yourself? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:10:39 PM EDT
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I support the death penalty just like I support firearms ownership. Why? It's a simple math equation really. It helps to create a discouraging and non-permissive environment. If you don't get killed doing something criminal than you will be killed when you get caught. Since self preservation is the most basic function of every human being on the planet it makes you think twice before you do something that could get you killed. Even if you didn't then ultimately the criminal populace would be lowered regardless so really a win win in my book. I don't think it works well as a deterrent for criminals since they are wired differently than you and I. I really wish it did work as a deterrent. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:13:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:13:30 PM EDT
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This poll is dildos.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:13:38 PM EDT
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I'm all for the death penalty in principle. I don't trust the courts or the people to administer it universally. Everything's fine and dandy until an innocent person dies. That's pretty much the thread right there. Quite a few jurisdictions have demonstrated that they don't have the integrity to handle the death penalty. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:14:40 PM EDT
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I don't think it works well as a deterrent for criminals since they are wired differently than you and I. I really wish it did work as a deterrent. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I support the death penalty just like I support firearms ownership. Why? It's a simple math equation really. It helps to create a discouraging and non-permissive environment. If you don't get killed doing something criminal than you will be killed when you get caught. Since self preservation is the most basic function of every human being on the planet it makes you think twice before you do something that could get you killed. Even if you didn't then ultimately the criminal populace would be lowered regardless so really a win win in my book. I don't think it works well as a deterrent for criminals since they are wired differently than you and I. I really wish it did work as a deterrent. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It doesn't work as a deterrent because execution isn't speedy. By the time they get around to snuffing the person, half the town has moved away and the other half died or can't remember why there's an execution. The burning anger of the original crime has faded too. So the link between crime and punishment is broken. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:17:05 PM EDT
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Are you okay with killing an innocent person to justify the death of a 1000 scumbags? You going to pull the trigger yourself? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know the scumbag who bombed the Boston Marathon last year? Why don't you take him in to live with you OP? Oh; and first post wins again. Are you okay with killing an innocent person to justify the death of a 1000 scumbags? You going to pull the trigger yourself? Let's back up here for a second. Most of the people who are "wrongly" convicted are not pure as the driven snow. Some were actually at the crime scene but weren't the one who pulled the trigger or stabbed he knife. Others were scumbags, but didn't have anything to do with this particular crime. So the stories that hit the national news are a subset of the "wrongly" convicted, ie. the truly innocent who are both not scumbags and really had nothing to do with this crime. And it's kind of a silly question you're asking. Those 1000 scumbags won't all stay in prison for the rest of their lives and certainly a percentage would kill again. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:18:09 PM EDT
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It doesn't work as a deterrent because execution isn't speedy. By the time they get around to snuffing the person, half the town has moved away and the other half died or can't remember why there's an execution. The burning anger of the original crime has faded too. So the link between crime and punishment is broken. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I support the death penalty just like I support firearms ownership. Why? It's a simple math equation really. It helps to create a discouraging and non-permissive environment. If you don't get killed doing something criminal than you will be killed when you get caught. Since self preservation is the most basic function of every human being on the planet it makes you think twice before you do something that could get you killed. Even if you didn't then ultimately the criminal populace would be lowered regardless so really a win win in my book. I don't think it works well as a deterrent for criminals since they are wired differently than you and I. I really wish it did work as a deterrent. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It doesn't work as a deterrent because execution isn't speedy. By the time they get around to snuffing the person, half the town has moved away and the other half died or can't remember why there's an execution. The burning anger of the original crime has faded too. So the link between crime and punishment is broken. Good point. I think it would act more as a deterrent if it was swifter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The people wrongly executed would be outnumbered by the people whos lives were saved due to the shortage of repeat offenders. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:20:19 PM EDT
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Nah; I'm just familiar with liberals and the slimy false conundrums they spew. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know the scumbag who bombed the Boston Marathon last year? Why don't you take him in to live with you OP? Oh; and first post wins again. You are trying too hard. Nah; I'm just familiar with liberals and the slimy false conundrums they spew. How many more strawmen and buzz words can you put in your posts? |
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