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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:50:30 PM EDT
Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of
U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in
Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/18/u-s-ground-troops-going-to-poland-defense-minister-says/

 
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:51:53 PM EDT
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[democracy intensifies]

ETA
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:52:50 PM EDT
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Here we go..... Couldn't go pulling out of Afghanistan without a plan for the future.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:53:45 PM EDT
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Excellent...  Until fucking GO-1 ruins it.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:54:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:57:35 PM EDT
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I'm so glad we have such strong leadership in the right places.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:58:32 PM EDT
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Jesus christ....
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 2:59:12 PM EDT
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Are we to be joined by a British Army of the Vistula and other Western company, or is America the only nation in NATO?
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:03:05 PM EDT
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European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.
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^^^  The most important thing that needs to happen.

That said.  What's the situation in Belarus?

Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:04:34 PM EDT
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Do either of us still have enough heavy divisions to do this?  Thought everything was transitioning to brigade sized stuff?
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:06:12 PM EDT
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gee, you think Obie wishes he'd had that missile defense shield in place he denied Poland 4 years ago..
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:06:43 PM EDT
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Everyone said if I voted for Romney we would always be at war, they were right.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:08:27 PM EDT
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It'd be very funny if there was suddenly a revolution in Belarus to dispose Lukashenko...
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:10:47 PM EDT
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Those lucky SOBs.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:11:11 PM EDT
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Ivan will not need missiles
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:11:54 PM EDT
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If you look at the Order of Battle in Janes or STRATFOR yu will see that the polish armed forces are pretty much a match for the current Russian forces by themselves.  Putin knows that but too many Americans equate the current Russian military with the old Soviet Union.  Putin has used bluff and bullshit as well as any dictator in the past.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:12:28 PM EDT
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:12:52 PM EDT
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This isn't really a missile kind of issue.  If missiles start getting lobbed across the Atlantic, we have bigger issues.

Better dig out all my old Deathlands books to learn how to survive the apocalypse.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:13:10 PM EDT
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Defending Poland from the east has worked out so well in the past.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:13:20 PM EDT
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By the same token, adjusting basing makes sense as NATO expands.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:13:25 PM EDT
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That Military Industrial Complex® ain't gonna pay itself!
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:15:05 PM EDT
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  


i miss running to the fulda gap at o dark 30..
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:16:02 PM EDT
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  


The good old days are an ancient memory now.  We'll be locked down as bad as we ever were in Saudi, Iraq, or the 'stan.  The default reaction by our "leadership" for any location that might end up being fun is to implement curfew, ban drinking, and suck the fun right out of the place.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:16:04 PM EDT
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You gotta wonder, what's Barry's and Putin's endgame........








Whatever it is, I sure won't be liking it.


Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:16:48 PM EDT
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  


i miss running to the fulda gap at o dark 30..



Blackhorse?
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:17:56 PM EDT
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Against a 2013 Russian military?  My money is on NATO.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:19:19 PM EDT
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Your money?  More like you're betting your life.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:20:20 PM EDT
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Good.



If we're not willing to do this then we have no business being in NATO.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:21:07 PM EDT
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Blackhorse?
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  


i miss running to the fulda gap at o dark 30..



Blackhorse?


8th ID 1/68 AR Wildchicken. Silver Lions baby!
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:21:27 PM EDT
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+1

We probably should have shifted our basing in NATO east awhile ago.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:23:02 PM EDT
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8th ID 1/68 AR Wildchicken. Silver Lions baby!
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  


i miss running to the fulda gap at o dark 30..



Blackhorse?


8th ID 1/68 AR Wildchicken. Silver Lions baby!


3AD  3/61st...all our stuff pointed in the sky.  
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:28:59 PM EDT
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Heading to Poland next month:)
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:32:09 PM EDT
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Take a camera.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:44:22 PM EDT
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We are gonna invade Poland?
OMG! WTF!?!?















Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:45:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:48:33 PM EDT
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At least O is smart enough to put people their for WHEN Poot decides to cross the border.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:48:48 PM EDT
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Atleast the woman are better looking
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:49:35 PM EDT
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Atleast the woman are better looking
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Atleast the woman are better looking



Probably friendlier, too.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:50:29 PM EDT
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Probably friendlier, too.
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Atleast the woman are better looking



Probably friendlier, too.


Less explode-y as well.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:51:22 PM EDT
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Take a camera.
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Take a camera.


Finally a place you guys can   find some beautiful girls to 'marry' .
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 3:57:15 PM EDT
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I see what you did there
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:01:49 PM EDT
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Your money?  More like you're betting your life.
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Against a 2013 Russian military?  My money is on NATO.


Your money?  More like you're betting your life.


The Russians didn't exactly have the easiest time subduing Georgians and walked into Crimea unopposed.  They haven't faced a peer force in 70 years whereas the US has wiped the floor with every Russian-style conventional military it's met.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:06:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:07:23 PM EDT
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Yeah.  West Germany was fun times.  Bet Poland would rock.  




i miss running to the fulda gap at o dark 30..






Blackhorse?




8th ID 1/68 AR Wildchicken. Silver Lions baby!
3rd AD 2/3 FA Kirchgoens, "Gunners"  We had the Canned sunshine all ready and waiting...

 



And yes, Poland would rock!






Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:10:54 PM EDT
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You do realize that the Poles did crack the German Enigma code.
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:14:33 PM EDT
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Poland Crushed the Bolsheviks between WWI and WWII and is responsible for saving western Europe from being taken militarily by the communists...

I'll put my money on the Poles...
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:21:27 PM EDT
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pretty much this...
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 4:32:24 PM EDT
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pretty much this...
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pretty much this...


Order of Battle initially would be most of the following.
U. S. Marine Battalion Landing Team building quickly to a Brigade sized unit.
U S Army S F, Ranger Bat.  Armor Heavy Brigade, lots of air support.
French Foreign Legion Bat +,
Brit mixed Brigade probably Green Jackets, Scotts Borderers, Commando Bat. At least 30 of the latest tanks.  
German reinforced Panzer Brigade.
Lots of aircraft.  There are already bets among A F Squadrons on a kill count.
NATO units will have a great many folks with real combat experience, Russia doesn't.  
Link Posted: 4/18/2014 5:43:27 PM EDT
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"puts tin foil hat on"
now their plan comes into focus=
drawing down the military and spreading them out over the globe leaves home soil unprotected

solution=
rile up the citizens with threats of taking their firearms
watch them BUY their own firearms to protect themselves on THEIR own dime

sneaky bastards
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