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Posted: 6/4/2012 8:10:52 AM EDT

I know some here will say it is a good move, but to me it smacks of caving in to PC interests.

Isn't the Military Religious Freedom Foundation a one man/nutjob shop?

Marine unit abandons ‘Crusaders’ nickname

The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Jun 4, 2012 9:38:02 EDT

BEAUFORT, S.C. — A Beaufort Marine Corps air squadron is abandoning its recently adopted nickname of Crusaders.
The Beaufort Gazette reports that the deputy commander of Marine Corps aviation, Lt. Gen. Terry Robling, has ordered Fighter Attack Squadron 122 to return to using the Werewolves name.

The unit's commander had announced earlier this year the squadron would again use Crusaders to honor the Crusader aircraft the unit originally flew. The squadron used that name from 1959 to 2008.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation objected, saying the Crusaders name could stir anti-American sentiment in the Middle East.

The Marine Corps said because of how the name is now perceived, Robling felt it best to return to the Werewolves name.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:20:32 AM EDT

[#1]

Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:22:19 AM EDT

[#2]

in before the 3 or 4 mega atheist on here that think its fine

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:23:59 AM EDT

[#3]

Not only should they keep the name, but they should re-activate some F-8s to fly!

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:26:21 AM EDT

[#4]

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:26:58 AM EDT

[#5]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:27:17 AM EDT

[#6]

We should explain to them how a crusade merely means a spiritual journey in seeking God.
Its just like jihad that way.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:28:00 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

(Shrug) Insh'allah.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:28:17 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Not only should they keep the name, but they should re-activate some F-8s to fly!
http://www.aviation-art.net/Gallery2009A/F8IAsv.jpg

Last of the Gunfighters !

Magnificent plane !

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:28:37 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
http://images.betterworldbooks.com/487/Crusade-in-Europe-by-Dwight-D-Eisenhower-and-How-This-Case-Has-Affected-Us-Eisenhower-Dwight-9784871873130.jpg

We should explain to them how a crusade merely means a spiritual journey in seeking God.
Its just like jihad that way.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:28:46 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:32:07 AM EDT

[#11]

Marine Corps capitulates to Political Correctness.

Next up: open embrace of homosexuality.

Oh wait...

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:32:50 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

This is the world in which we live now.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:33:40 AM EDT

[#13]

just another day in the nut house.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:34:26 AM EDT

[#14]

Chesty, please unfuck these air wingers in charge please.

Sincerely,

Those with balls.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:35:46 AM EDT

[#15]

Lame as fuck

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:37:40 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
in before the 3 or 4 mega atheist on here that think its fine

This.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:42:51 AM EDT

[#17]

My High School mascot was 'The Crusaders'...hope they dont change!

For fuck sake what is happening to this country?

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:43:23 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

Well seeing how we might have to use their lands for bases or emergency airfields, maybe we might want to think a little bit about that.
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("You're forcing your way into their airfield? The Secretary is going to have a coronary!"––perky junior officer
"Tower, we have a medical emergency! Man onboard having a heart attack!"––Harm, (w,stte), "JAG")

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:45:30 AM EDT

[#19]

Should be VMFA-122 "The Templers"

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:46:50 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

Well seeing how we might have to use their lands for bases or emergency airfields, maybe we might want to think a little bit about that.
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("You're forcing your way into their airfield? The Secretary is going to have a coronary!"––perky junior officer
"Tower, we have a medical emergency! Man onboard having a heart attack!"––Harm, (w,stte), "JAG")

See my Avatar, fuck'em.

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:49:47 AM EDT

[#21]

How about FAS-122, The.... wait, is there a Latin word for "anal speculum made out of bacon"?

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:52:15 AM EDT

[#22]

How about
"fightin' zionists"

Posted: 6/4/2012 8:55:12 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

Well seeing how we might have to use their lands for bases or emergency airfields, maybe we might want to think a little bit about that.
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See my Avatar, fuck'em.

That's why I included emergency landing fields.

I can think of at least two carrier capable aircraft situations of where they had to go for a land base option instead of the carrier.

Are you willing to sacrifice the time it takes to train a carrier pilot, in a potential emergency, based on pure arrogancy of what one names a squadron?
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Posted: 6/4/2012 8:59:02 AM EDT

[#24]

This whole topic is full of nothing more than emotion.

1) Emotion from the ROPers who are mad about it.

2) Emotion from the people who are crying over a lost nick name.

Is this fucking kindergarten?

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:02:44 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Marine Corps capitulates to Political Correctness.

i agree that it's pretty silly on one level, but ultimately, the military is a political instrument––anything that might damage its success as an instrument (or aid the enemy) is a bad idea.

the propaganda potential here is significant.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:06:00 AM EDT

[#26]

Look closely...

I got a chuckle every time I thought about it as we invaded Iraq. Mainly because I was sure there were people who would be offended by it unnecessarily.

3rd MP Co
4th PLT "Crusaders"

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:06:54 AM EDT

[#27]

My high school mascot was/is a buccaneer. I'm sure the Somali pirates will get offended and my school will change it's mascot.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:11:08 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Marine Corps capitulates to Political Correctness.

Next up: open embrace of homosexuality.

Oh wait...

They even caved on the Army's reflective belts...yep, the marines have been wearing them in theater for several years now...even the USAF continues to resist the belt.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:13:42 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Not only should they keep the name, but they should re-activate some F-8s to fly!

http://www.aviation-art.net/Gallery2009A/F8IAsv.jpg

Last of the Gunfighters !

Magnificent plane !

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:15:57 AM EDT

[#30]

I think 'Werewolves' sends a negative message to those who may been victims of canine related violence.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:22:50 AM EDT

[#31]

All joking aside, can anyone really honestly say that they don't believe this credence to AQ propaganda saying that we are crusaders who need to be fought against in a Jihad?

It would be like the tea party adopting the nickname KKK when the liberals accuse them of being racist. It only helps their opponents say "see, we were right." It serves no function for our side other than to say "we have a cool nickname" or "haha, its making them mad, look how funny we are" neither of which seems worth it.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:23:00 AM EDT

[#32]

I for one (as a muslim) would not give a flying fuck if a whole Corps nicknamed Crusaders used my country as a staging ground.

As long as they're not on a crusade to destroy Islam, why should anyone care?

ETA: Although when you're dealing with illiterate goat farmers, I guess you MAY need a bit more subtlety. I don't know.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:25:23 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

I for one (as a muslim) would not give a flying fuck if a whole Corps nicknamed Crusaders used my country as a staging ground.

As long as they're not on a crusade to destroy Islam, why should anyone care?

ETA: Although when you're dealing with illiterate goat farmers, I guess you MAY need a bit more subtlety. I don't know.

That's the problem.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:27:48 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
I for one (as a muslim) would not give a flying fuck if a whole Corps nicknamed Crusaders used my country as a staging ground.

As long as they're not on a crusade to destroy Islam, why should anyone care?

ETA: Although when you're dealing with illiterate goat farmers, I guess you MAY need a bit more subtlety. I don't know.

You, however, are in Turkey.....what if the country in question was Saudi Arabia?
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Posted: 6/4/2012 9:31:00 AM EDT

[#35]

Welcome to a few years ago, they change their name to werewolves to deploy and than someone had the bright idea to change it back

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:32:37 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
This whole topic is full of nothing more than emotion.

1) Emotion from the ROPers who are mad about it.
2) Emotion from the people who are crying over a lost nick name.

Is this fucking kindergarten?

Really? With 15k posts you have to ask? It's actually Fundergarten.

Thing is, "CRUSADERS" had shit to do with the protection of Christians against marauding Muzzies, it was all about DE PLANE, boss, DE PLANE! It's fucking ridiculous we have to cave to some fucking miscreant like Mikey Goldberg or whatever the fuck his name is cuz he wants to thrash about and get his name in the papers.

It's like blacks whipping themselves into a frenzy over the word "NIGGARDLY". Funny to watch until someone starts to take it seriously.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:35:03 AM EDT

[#37]

As a Catholic, I find this to be offensive and at its core removing the nickname of "Crusader" is fundamentally anti-Catholic.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:38:39 AM EDT

[#38]

Does a JDAM dropped from a Werewolf hurts less then one dropped by a Crusader?

The Werewolf is badass looking on the tail though.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:40:33 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Not only should they keep the name, but they should re-activate some F-8s to fly!

http://www.aviation-art.net/Gallery2009A/F8IAsv.jpg

I agree wholeheartedly with this. When you're out of Crusaders, you're out of fighters.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:41:54 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

I think 'Werewolves' sends a negative message to those who may been victims of canine related violence.

Would you prefer that they be called "the glittery, boy-band, vegan-vampires"?

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:42:42 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
http://images.betterworldbooks.com/487/Crusade-in-Europe-by-Dwight-D-Eisenhower-and-How-This-Case-Has-Affected-Us-Eisenhower-Dwight-9784871873130.jpg

We should explain to them how a crusade merely means a spiritual journey in seeking God.
Its just like jihad that way.

Actually, it is exactly like Jihad in that way.

Yet, how do you think this thread would go if people learned a unit of the Turkish Army called themselves the Jihadists?

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:44:00 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

This. I never thought I'd see the corps or the military for that matter give in to stupid shit like this.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:45:02 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
http://images.betterworldbooks.com/487/Crusade-in-Europe-by-Dwight-D-Eisenhower-and-How-This-Case-Has-Affected-Us-Eisenhower-Dwight-9784871873130.jpg

We should explain to them how a crusade merely means a spiritual journey in seeking God.
Its just like jihad that way.

Actually, it is exactly like Jihad in that way.

Yet, how do you think this thread would go if people learned a unit of the Turkish Army called themselves the Jihadists?

I think the assumption is every unit in the Turkish Army calls themselves the jihadists.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:51:23 AM EDT

[#44]

Just checking in.

Posted: 6/4/2012 9:58:27 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
I think 'Werewolves' sends a negative message to those who may been victims of canine related violence.

I was thinking the same thing: I'm sure some group can be found who can/will take offense...how about actual werewolves upset with the violent image this portrays.

Posted: 6/4/2012 10:01:27 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Lame.

God forbid we upset a muslim

Posted: 6/4/2012 10:02:03 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This whole topic is full of nothing more than emotion.

1) Emotion from the ROPers who are mad about it.
2) Emotion from the people who are crying over a lost nick name.

Is this fucking kindergarten?

Really? With 15k posts you have to ask? It's actually Fundergarten.

Thing is, "CRUSADERS" had shit to do with the protection of Christians against marauding Muzzies, it was all about DE PLANE, boss, DE PLANE! It's fucking ridiculous we have to cave to some fucking miscreant like Mikey Goldberg or whatever the fuck his name is cuz he wants to thrash about and get his name in the papers.

It's like blacks whipping themselves into a frenzy over the word "NIGGARDLY". Funny to watch until someone starts to take it seriously.

In the future, the "0" admin will ensure that only PC names/terms are used for future aircraft...that is if we build any aircraft in the future.