NYPD patrol cops would be the first responders to a Paris-style attack in the city but would be no match for ISIS trained terrorists armed with assault rifles that would make a mockery of their 9 mm handguns, PBA president Pat Lynch told the Post today.

He says this is a major “soft spot” in the NYPD’s counterterrorism program and that it will cost lives in the pivotal first minutes of an attack

He’s demanding that the department provide special counter-terrorism training to all cops – and equip every patrol car as a “mini counter-terrorism unit.”

“As we have warned in the past, there is a soft spot in the department’s anti-terrorism plan because it is likely that the first to arrive on the scene of a Paris-style attack will be regular local patrol officers who are neither trained nor equipped to engage the terrorists,” Lynch said. “In the event of multiple, simultaneous attacks, countless lives could be saved by equipping patrol officers with the appropriate weapons and giving them the training needed to engage terrorists immediately instead of waiting for specialized units to respond.”
PBA President Pat LynchPhoto: Christopher Sadowski
The proposal may have seemed laughable in the past, but many cops now say such aggressive and costly measures are necessary to meet the recently-realized threat posed by terrorists.

“It is disturbing to constantly hear there is no credible threat of terrorism when every event to date i.e., the World Trade Center, bombing of planes, attacks in Paris all happened without a credible threat,” said Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association. “Sadly, the rank and file patrol members of the NYPD will be amongst the first to respond and are not equipped with assault rifles or adequate ballistic protection. This is reminiscent of the days of sending canaries into coal mines.”

“All the intelligence confirms that it’s just a matter of time before New York City is struck by terror attack similar to what happened in Mumbai and Paris,” another police source said. “We at the NYPD haven’t learned our lesson yet. I’m afraid people won’t get the will until there are bodies piling up on the street.”

The NYPD called such an initiative impractical and said the department is already geared up to respond to attacks.

“Our Emergency Service Units, which are highly trained to provide special weapons and tactics (SWAT) coverage, are assigned on all tours in all boroughs of the city,” NYPD spokesman Stephen Davis said, and also touted the new Critical Response Command (CRC), which will be staffed with over 500 officers, and the Strategic Response Group (SRG), with 800 officers.

“It is both unnecessary and impractical for every single police officer walking the beat or on routine patrol to be armed with heavy, assault-type weapons,” Davis said. “The NYPD has what is widely regarded as the best active-shooter response capability of any major US police department. We are confident that we have established the appropriate level of preparedness to deal with potential active-shooter incidents.”

Police Commissioner Bill Bratton and Mayor de Blasio sounded off on Lynch and Mullins during a press conference Wednesday evening. “I’m sorry to hear the two union leaders are demeaning their own membership by basically saying they are not capable of handling a threat,” Bratton said. “I’m sorry, I disagree very strongly with them.”

The mayor added, “This is the best prepared city to handle any kind of situation…. Can’t speak for the union leaders, but the people have faith and know they’re being protected.”

How about demanding the cops be trained to a decent standard of accuracy and competency with the weapon they'll actually have on them if they're on the scene of an attack instead of a rifle that'll be sitting in the trunk while the cop is walking around a venue?

No, instead we'll demand that they all be given rifles they won't train worth a shit on because "there's not enough budget for all that training time" and "the ammunition expenditure to train 20,000 cops is too expensive".  That's OK though because the rifles will stay in their cars anyway until the shooting is over and just be used for photo ops of how "resolute" the second responders are.

FPNI

Any terrorist that doesn't see the NYPD as a paper tiger is probably too dumb to put his shoes on the correct foot.

You know who's woefully outgunned?

Regular citizens you stupid fuck, fuck you.

Yep.

Fuck him.
Fuck Andy Cuomo.
Fuck all the NY "Republican" Legislators who allowed the SAFE Act to go into effect.
Fuck all of the NY Hacks that make my handgun license worthless if I step off my property!!!

This really is pretty damn close to the mark for an urban area or for VERY large departments.

My smaller department doesnt hand out ARs like party favors and it is usually reserved for those with better shooting/manipulation skills.   But even then my department is cheap as hell with helping provide duty ammo and or/training.     At least those with rifles in their patrol cars have it every bit as handy an option as a shotgun in the rack.

But for a major metro area, logistics and realistic chances of that rifle being in the right place at the right time is low.

This. Fucking commie douchebag.

And again.  Fuggers disarm the populace and leave them to felons and Moslems.

A lot of things can be done if one intends to. NYPD in particular could cut labor costs.

Exactly.  We know they would never devote the time and money required to bring the average patrol guy up to my wife's level of competency (shot a couple Appleseeds and probably fires a couple hundred rounds a year total).

If Fuckstain McUnion guy wants to do something worth a shit he'd lobby for better more realistic handgun training with higher minimum standards.  Since that might hurt feels and get a union member tossed he'll just join the choir urging more money be pissed away on gear that'll only leave the trunk when it's stolen by a gangbanger.

To many who have been there when NYPD officers were actually in action........well, I can imagine that many were (to put it lightly) just not all that impressed with their ability to hit their intended targets with minimal collateral damage.  

Aloha, Mark

Fuck them all, give them seven fucking rounds and restrict their carry to on duty only.

Fuck the citizens who are purposefully forced to be "woefully outgunned" but god forbid the NYD should suffer the same handicap.

Seven fucking rounds.

Pat Lynch would take their weapons away completely before he'd allow that.

So who else should advocate for the cops? DeBlasio?

Why does he worry about evil assault rifles.  They only have 7 rounds.  If he is that worried about it, why don't they just pass a law that makes it illegal to practice terrorism in New York.  They can call it the Extra SAFE act.

I like it.

So, basically, this guy is factually correct, but all of the fuckstains in this thread would rather see innocent Americans die in a terror attack than have the NYPD patrol officer trained and equipped to respond to one. Nice.

NYPD

No because

-he is publicly announcing security failures and holes
-giving officers MORE guns when they're not trained how to be effective with the ones they have (NYPD trigger) isn't a great idea--I can't even imagine what retarded shit they'll include on an AR they issue to a beat cop
-even in the best case scenario, the police shows up to clean up the bodies, intelligence to stop these fuckers is how we save people--unless you just want to go balls out IDF and have trained soldiers with automatic weapons walking the streets
-what he really wants is more limitations on personal freedoms, you know, to keep you safe
-there should be no security concerns in NYC because all evil guns have been banned, and the population is compliant and disarmed

actually most of the fuckstains in this thread would like to see an armed populace of american citizens defend their own lives and country with their own firepower that they have every fucking right to keep and bear at all times even in piece of shit new york city.  you herd millions of lambs together then get all worried about a slaughter.

a city that HATES freedom, and personally owned guns.. ( unless your a cop)   , who also has the largest police department in the world, and the largest police budget in the world...


if they are not prepared, its because they are not trying. how long has it been since 9/11?  guess they didnt have time to prepare sonce 2001... they just need more time.

Come on, 14 years and hundreds of millions of dollars is less then a week and 10 bucks in government metrics.

so they need more cargo pockets?

Best FPNI in the history of AR15.com.

Why not change the trigger pull first?

Bet that is over 50% of the accuracy problem right there.

Every patrol car across this nation needs to be equipped with at least one patrol rifle, Level III or IV body armor, spare rifle mags and the means to carry them, etc. And the officers need to be trained to use them. Departments that cannot afford to equip and train every officer on the patrol rifle should give the individual officer the option of buying their own rifle and getting training on their own dime. Considering the number of tactical carbine type classes taught around this country every year, it should not be a problem to get suitable training. Terrorism is a fact of life we are going to have to live with for many years to come. Mumbai and Paris style attacks are almost a certainty here at home. We need to be ready for those situations when they arise. Guys in soft body armor armed with 9mm pistols and provided inadequate training are not going to cut it against groups of multiple trained terrorists armed with AK-47s and suicide vests. Yet those are the very people who are going to be first on the scene. As a nation we need to get serious about the threat and take the appropriate steps to address it. Otherwise, the government might as well just shut up about terrorism.

And yes, the state of New York needs to unfuck its ridiculous gun laws that prevent its citizens from legally possessing the tools best suited for protection against armed terrorists, gang bangers or whoever the threat might be.

Seal the damn border and don't let refugees in and decrease your odds of a Paris style attack happening.

Do you even comprehend the incompetence of the "official law enforcement" that surrounds you and you rely on for your safety?

Look, most of the men and women in lw enforcement are good people, they WANT to be great at their jobs, they care.......

But the level of bureaucracy, and incompetence of leadership prevents them from reaching the level of competency that they deserve, that the public foolishly believes that they are.

It's not a slam against the rank and file officer, it's a realistic observation from rank and file officers that actually DO THE FUCKING JOB day in and day out who beg for training time, trigger time and relaxed ROE who are cockblocked at every turn in favor of PC feel good bullshit and emasculated policies who are short changed, and in turn, the populace is sadly mislead.

There are some highly talented LEO's out there...........like Jedi talented, but there just aren't that many of them and sadly many get fed up and leave the profession early due to disgust of the red tape and PC bullshit.

No, the first post in this thread hit the mutha fuggin nail right on the head on this one.

<------------ in law enforcement for 15 years, hope to just live to retirement.

boys and toys

if they are too dangerous for law abiding citizens...they are too dangerous for cops.

fuck em

What's so impractical with having a  rifle in every car?
You already make them buy their sidearm. let them carry a rifle they opt to buy for themselves.
What a concept.
Never been done before, anywhere.....

Even all the training in the world won't prepare you for a brutal ambush

It is a very free city if you have money

I'm sure the terrorists are probably better trained, as well.  Didn't Extorris say that NYPD shots like 50 rounds a year or something ridiculous like that?

Really ? ? ?

Sadly America turning into a country where you have to purchase your Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms

Well...........no shit.

If he thinks there is any chance of Fuckmo or DeBlowsio changing this he is fucking dreaming.

Not only that but (and I assume it is still this way).................I can go to NY and buy a gun the locals cannot buy and have it shipped to my FFL in Michigan.

I went to that cop store in NYC about 20 years ago and bought a retired cop gun and it was sitting at my FFL's shop before I returned from my work trip.  Got a good deal also.

It would take a local NYC person MONTHS to even get a fucking permit to purchase it.

Lynch knows an attack is coming, and maybe Bratton and the whiteshirts will try to blame rank and file, as a union boss he has to look out for his people.

Do you really think this wasn't discussed behind closed doors first?

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Money, political connections and a lawyer gets you a good ol fashioned NYC CCW

NY is fucking RIDICULOUS!!

I can buy any fucking AR I want and the cops there can't even carry one.

What a total clusterfuck.

That's how Trump of Orange got one.

That is why I hate that hypocrite Trump, I love NYC, but I am just a schmuck, can't afford to live decently there....so I just fap to what could have been, I made it out alive, that's what cunts

Wait just a minute. NYPD says 9mm is a super powerful armor piercing ghost cop killer round out of one side of their mouth and now this.....?

The speech of a tyrant.

Disarm the populace so they cower and then make the argument to grow the armed government to protect the subjects.


These are scary times and I'm not referring to Terror.

While I don't wish them ill, I likewise can't get too worked up over them feeling like the rest of us peasants.

That would fix it!



 

Someone should start work now on a 15lb long travel trigger for AR15s. It won't be long after they start getting issued until some politically appointed idiot gets the idea to do to their AR15s what they have done with their Glocks.