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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:42:37 PM EDT
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Interesting report from Backblaze an online backup company. The Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST3000DM001). a 3TB drive had a 43.1% failure rate. See the full article here: Link As long as your firmware and date of manufacture fall close to that tiny ~1200 hard drive sample size. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:43:57 PM EDT
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mother fucker.
eta I only recognize the model number because I've been trying to figure out why this stupid HP PC only sees it as ~830 GB. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:47:41 PM EDT
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That failure rate doesn't even surprise me. It's not very unusual.
Ever since the "Death Stars" there's been model number after model number of unreliable drives. I've done a lot of Seagate RMAs, a lot of WD RMAs, no mfr seems immune to it, and I think all drives die at 3-5yrs anyway... so just buy based on longest warranty coverage period and expect it to die eventually. Back shit up. I only get pissed if they die within 3yrs, and I won't buy a drive with less than a 3yr warranty, period. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:48:49 PM EDT
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:50:44 PM EDT
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The manufacturers push these out too fast to quote a logical MTBF statistic. But you can have cheap or good - what's your choice?
From here: http://dearauthor.com/ebooks/its-april-fools-day-have-you-backed-up-your-ebooks/ "An average computer harddrive has an MTBF of 400,000 hours and thus should last at least 45 years. In reality, though, the life expectancy of a harddrive is three to five years." |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:56:44 PM EDT
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:58:01 PM EDT
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I have a Seagate 1 TB fail with just a few hours of usage. Went to a WD
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:00:45 PM EDT
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Dang. I have that very drive as my porn drive.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:01:04 PM EDT
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Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? I haven't used them in almost ten years. Because they were JUST THAT FREAKING AWFUL when I did. We're talking batches with >50% failure rates in less than a year, and the replacements that Seagate would send were recertified, and had ~50% failure rate in the first three months. Now, some would last FOREVER. But the early failures in some batches were just unbelievable. Never had trouble like that with any other vendor, before or since. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? I don't really care for Seagate, but it comes down to warranty and price. At best it's 3-5 years no matter what you buy  |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:02:34 PM EDT
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Mine failed a few weeks ago.
I stopped using Seagate around 1998 and the first goddamn thing I buy after that (around 2012) is a fucking piece of dogshit too. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:09:32 PM EDT
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I have a Seagate 1 TB fail with just a few hours of usage. Went to a WD You might have gone from frying pan to fire with that move. I had a 4 TB WD fail within a week after a single back up being run. The back up software pre-installed in them is completely useless and causes all kinds of problems while running Adobe software (lagging and short term freezes while working in PS, DW and AI). It also needed to be uninstalled, not simply turned off, because it still runs and checks files even though it isn't backing anything up, so the lagging is there until you kill it completely. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:10:08 PM EDT
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Drives fail all the time. Having said that, my completely subjective and anecdotal evidence suggests that Fujitsu drives fail less often.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:11:12 PM EDT
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Interesting report from Backblaze an online backup company. The Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST3000DM001). a 3TB drive had a 43.1% failure rate. See the full article here: Link Were they consumer grade, or TLER capable? ETA, apparently Backblaze doesn't believe in TLER drives. Which in my experience running 5 different backblaze type pods, is a mistake. Consumer grade drives suck ass in NAS applications. If you're building a NAS, or something with RAID, only use WD Red (NASware) drives, or Seagate NAS drives. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:13:25 PM EDT
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Mine failed a few weeks ago. I stopped using Seagate around 1998 and the first goddamn thing I buy after that (around 2012) is a fucking piece of dogshit too. Me too. Another 3TB Barracuda. No SMART warning, just up and died.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:15:01 PM EDT
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That explains why I have replaced all of those drives in the last 12 months. Was replacing them with more Seagate at first now WDC.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:17:06 PM EDT
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Never had good luck with seagate. WD is where it's at.
I'm running a big old WD 300 Gig right now. 
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:20:12 PM EDT
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Ive had way more failures with seagate vs. WD.
I hardly use any mechanical drives anymore now thankfully. I use nothing but samsung SSD's over the last few years and ive only had one fail and it was DOA thankfully. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That failure rate doesn't even surprise me. It's not very unusual. Ever since the "Death Stars" there's been model number after model number of unreliable drives. I've done a lot of Seagate RMAs, a lot of WD RMAs, no mfr seems immune to it, and I think all drives die at 3-5yrs anyway... so just buy based on longest warranty coverage period and expect it to die eventually. Back shit up. I only get pissed if they die within 3yrs, and I won't buy a drive with less than a 3yr warranty, period. The only issues I have ever really had with drives were those god awful Quantum Bigfoot drives. I refused to use them and they finally stopped making those bastards. I will use about any brand Hard Drive. Just installed a new 3TB Seagate in our surveillance computer the day before yesterday. Sucks to hear about the Barracudas though. They used to be nice drives. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:58:00 PM EDT
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As long as your firmware and date of manufacture fall close to that tiny ~1200 hard drive sample size. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting report from Backblaze an online backup company. The Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST3000DM001). a 3TB drive had a 43.1% failure rate. See the full article here: Link As long as your firmware and date of manufacture fall close to that tiny ~1200 hard drive sample size. Actually the seagate 3TB were rumored to have some issues. It was panned on Newegg as well. This really isn't a surprise. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:01:06 PM EDT
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i gave up on seagate when they gave up on their 5 year warranty...
cant stand behind your stuff? thats all i need to know. they used to make awesome hard drives, and they made read write heads here in MN, lots of changes since their glory days. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:21:10 PM EDT
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Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? It's bullshit. Pick ANY brand of any type of hardware and I'll be able to find one IT professional with 20 years of experience who will tell me the brand is complete dogshit, and I'll be able to find another IT professional with 20 years of experience that will tell me the brand is the absolute best in the industry. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:29:42 PM EDT
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SAMSUNG SSD PRO SERIES FTW
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:31:08 PM EDT
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They're admitting their other meats have all that nasty shit. Bye, bye.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:32:09 PM EDT
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They're admitting their other meats have all that nasty shit. Bye, bye.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:35:22 PM EDT
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Seagate has, for many years, had suspect hard drive reliability. The problem I'm seeing is that some of the polished shine of western digital is starting to tarnish. No one's really making them as robust as they used to, at least not in the consumer market.
The most recent HD I've had good experience with a 2.5" form factor WD Red for my NAS. Nice hard drive, quiet. Not to be used for high performance applications, though. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's bullshit. Pick ANY brand of any type of hardware and I'll be able to find one IT professional with 20 years of experience who will tell me the brand is complete dogshit, and I'll be able to find another IT professional with 20 years of experience that will tell me the brand is the absolute best in the industry. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? It's bullshit. Pick ANY brand of any type of hardware and I'll be able to find one IT professional with 20 years of experience who will tell me the brand is complete dogshit, and I'll be able to find another IT professional with 20 years of experience that will tell me the brand is the absolute best in the industry. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I tend to like seagate, really see no more failures from them than I do from WD's in any of our arrays, of course I am not talking desktop SATA drives either... Replaced a failed with no warning < 1 yr old WD today. All drives fail at some point!
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:36:40 PM EDT
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Just have a lil 250gb ssd internal and a 2tb usb 3.0 WD ext hdd.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:46:10 PM EDT
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This is also in use in a particular way. It's worth mentioning that those drives saw heavier use in six months than most home users, even serious users, would put on a drive in a few years.
I've had a RAID 5 array going with Hitachi drives for a few years now and it just had the first drive go. That array sees CONSTANT use because it's recording the video from a set of security cameras. Before anyone gets on my case about R5, it's the only option for the build because the system is really a glorified desktop. If the array fails and we lost all the data we'd just shrug and start fresh. It would have to fail immediately after or during something important for us to care, and the odds of that are slim enough that we just suck it up. I will eventually be replacing that system with a VM running on one of our servers and a NAS running R10 for actual storage capacity. That's the setup at our primary location where we care much more about the data. Who knows, maybe by then I can talk the boss into an integrated stack setup for the main office and just move our current stuff to the secondary. We're right on the cusp of it making sense financially right now, so the next round of major hardware upgrades might be the time. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:47:21 PM EDT
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Does no one RAID and backup?
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:54:27 PM EDT
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4 bay raided synology here with rotating USB backups of it
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:57:21 PM EDT
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Dang. I have that very drive as my porn drive. As long as it lasts 7-10 minutes, you'll be fine. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:58:22 PM EDT
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I remember the Bigfoot drives. Big fun.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:58:40 PM EDT
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Does no one RAID and backup? Had a raid controller corrupt a volume. Also had one destroy both copies during a restore. Best approach IMO: - Multiple HDs 3+ for important data - HD's not of the same model (in case of bugs or high failure rates) - Rotate weekly - Store HD not in computer (in case of electrical or g shock) - Plain or encrypted file system (no raid). - Ensure not too hot (5900rpms stay cool 54/7200 not as much), cheap china HD fans are cheap and work |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:07:24 PM EDT
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures This. Has Seagate - Crahsed Had Maxtor - Crashed Had Hitatchi - Crashed Using WD - No crash even with 8 year old 750GB VR. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:09:28 PM EDT
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Does no one RAID and backup? I have a QNAP HS-210 fanless 2-bay NAS with two 5TB WD Red NAS class drives. I use it for time machine on my macs, and store all my digital photos and media on it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:10:29 PM EDT
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Had a raid controller corrupt a volume. Also had one destroy both copies during a restore. Best approach IMO: - Multiple HDs 3+ for important data - HD's not of the same model (in case of bugs or high failure rates) - Rotate weekly - Store HD not in computer (in case of electrical or g shock) - Plain or encrypted file system (no raid). - Ensure not too hot (5900rpms stay cool 54/7200 not as much), cheap china HD fans are cheap and work Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does no one RAID and backup? Had a raid controller corrupt a volume. Also had one destroy both copies during a restore. Best approach IMO: - Multiple HDs 3+ for important data - HD's not of the same model (in case of bugs or high failure rates) - Rotate weekly - Store HD not in computer (in case of electrical or g shock) - Plain or encrypted file system (no raid). - Ensure not too hot (5900rpms stay cool 54/7200 not as much), cheap china HD fans are cheap and work Why dont you just image your array then stick that on an external drive that only get powered up when needed? Controller crashed or array crashed no problem. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:21:14 PM EDT
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Yep....just replaced one last week via RMA. Manufacturing date of 5/2014. Replacement is 11/2014.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:22:48 PM EDT
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Does no one RAID and backup? I backup to backblaze
I also have a server that I back up to and the server has USB drives that back it up. I think I'm covered for everything but the EMP. [tinfoil] |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:23:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that's why all my drives are western digital. Now my 3 WD 640GB Blues from 2008 are still rock solid.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:38:05 PM EDT
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SonOfaBitch..and I just ordered two seagate 2tb hybrid drives
this morning. Looks like I will have to RMA them. 
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:09:38 AM EDT
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Every WD drive I have ever owned has failed within a 2 year period. On a whim more than anything I decided to get WD Red 3tb drives for my current array and I haven't had a single failure out of the 8 drives in a bit over a year.
On the other hand, I've had some Seagate based arrays that have had roughly 50% failure rates inside the first year, and I probably won't trust them again until back blaze gives me some good numbers on their drives. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:15:22 AM EDT
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Samsung 840 pro 512GB SSD and a WD Caviar Black 1TB
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:17:01 AM EDT
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I run multiple seagates in my PCs. Have also used WD and actually have a had no problems out of my seagates. Had two WDs fail on me within the first two years.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:31:22 AM EDT
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Meh. Mine's been running continuously for over two years in my HTPC.
Nevermind. I just remembered that mine died and was replaced under warranty by Seagate in Dec '13.
The replacement is the one running now. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:33:20 AM EDT
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I haven't had any problems with seagate 1-2TB HDD's, I have however had an OCZ vertex 3 SSD and its subsequent RMA replacement fail.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:45:34 AM EDT
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All 3 Seagate HDs I've owned have died on me.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:52:32 AM EDT
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... thinking back on it, I went into the store for a 3GB WD black or blue and the clerk recommended the Toshiba at $10 cheaper. Now I feel like an ass.
Fuck it, it's for a new Win10 build, who knows how many times that machine will self destruct
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Posted: 1/23/2015 10:06:59 AM EDT
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Panasonic has been shipping out laptops with HGST drives. Garbage. Atleast 4 out of 20 drives bad so far on 6 month old laptops.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 10:10:50 AM EDT
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If it's a Seagate in general you should probably get a new one.
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