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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:45:28 AM EDT
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I hope he does time.
In before the apologist cavalry arrives. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:47:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Ah, the old ask him for his license and then shoot him when he tries to retrieve it routine.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:48:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:49:00 AM EDT
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Fucking piece of shit needs about 15 years in prison.
Jesus Christ. 
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:50:51 AM EDT
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Stop initiated for a seat belt violation on private property.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:51:32 AM EDT
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Yikes! I see what his defense is going to be....but no...
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:54:29 AM EDT
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Seems pretty obvious the officer thought the guy was reaching for a weapon in the vehicle, however, he did start shooting way before any potential lethal threat was observed. It doesn't seem like this was a high risk enforcement action based on the officer's original request for the license, but I would like to know what the context of the call for service was or the reason for the stop to help paint the whole picture for me.
ETA: Good God, a seat belt violation? Clearly not a suspect in a high profile event or anything like that. Wow, he must have been fresh out of the academy or something. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:55:50 AM EDT
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Seems pretty obvious the officer thought the guy was reaching for a weapon in the vehicle, however, he did start shooting way before any potential lethal threat was observed. It doesn't seem like this was a high risk enforcement action based on the officer's original request for the license, but I would like to know what the context of the call for service was or the reason for the stop to help paint the whole picture for me. States in the video, the reason for the stop was driving without a seat belt (Seat belt violation)t and while on private property. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:56:37 AM EDT
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Seems pretty obvious the officer thought the guy was reaching for a weapon in the vehicle, however, he did start shooting way before any potential lethal threat was observed. It doesn't seem like this was a high risk enforcement action based on the officer's original request for the license, but I would like to know what the context of the call for service was or the reason for the stop to help paint the whole picture for me. Officer said it was a seat belt violation. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:56:45 AM EDT
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Seems pretty obvious the officer thought the guy was reaching for a weapon in the vehicle, however, he did start shooting way before any potential lethal threat was observed. It doesn't seem like this was a high risk enforcement action based on the officer's original request for the license, but I would like to know what the context of the call for service was or the reason for the stop to help paint the whole picture for me. He pulled up to the gas station with his seatbelt off. He also stated he took it off as he was turning into the lot. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:57:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Holy hell! Luckily officer derp can't shoot for crap!
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Posted: 9/25/2014 1:57:30 AM EDT
[#12]
Good firing. Hoping for jail.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:01:10 AM EDT
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No question it's a bad shoot. What's interesting is that he had been involved in a previous shooting that was clean (was actually taking rounds from the bad guy prior to the shoot). While I expect he'll be convicted, I'll be interested to see how possible PTSD works into this, and what charge he ends up with. THIS is why PTSD in cops is a serious (but generally ignored) issue... it can result in a very bad thing happening to an innocent man.
BTW, for all the basement-dwelling, mouth-breathing cop haters out there, no favoritism was shown in the case, nor was anything covered up. Rule of law in action. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:06:54 AM EDT
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No question it's a bad shoot. What's interesting is that he had been involved in a previous shooting that was clean (was actually taking rounds from the bad guy prior to the shoot). While I expect he'll be convicted, I'll be interested to see how possible PTSD works into this, and what charge he ends up with. THIS is why PTSD in cops is a serious (but generally ignored) issue... it can result in a very bad thing happening to an innocent man. BTW, for all the basement-dwelling, mouth-breathing cop haters out there, no favoritism was shown in the case, nor was anything covered up. Rule of law in action. Sounds like the department handled it correctly. But charges need to be filed. I'm no hater of police but that was beyond unacceptable. Only his lack of skill saved that mans life. And PTSD shouldn't even be admissible. Has nothing to do with this incident. I sincerely hope he goes to prison for many years. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:08:07 AM EDT
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This is what happens when you teach or someone learns tasks rather than goals. The task here (and it was wrong) is to shoot people who make furtive movements. The goal is to use force when necessary against threats.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:21:11 AM EDT
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I can see how the troop might have felt threatened by the guy abruptly turning and reaching into his car,
however the officer was just too fast on the trigger and fired before the threat was verified. Pulling someone over for a seat belt violation on private property is bogus. I don't think the officer was justified at all on this action. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:22:05 AM EDT
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Egads!
Hope the driver recovers fully. Trooper Hair Trigger needs to face the music. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:31:05 AM EDT
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Egads! Hope the driver recovers fully. Trooper Hair Trigger needs to face the music. Yup. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:32:07 AM EDT
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Ex-S.C. trooper who shot unarmed man faces charges
COLUMBIA, S.C. — A former South Carolina state trooper who shot an unarmed man was charged Wednesday with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. Sean Groubert, 31, was booked at the Richland County Detention Center. He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/24/ex-trooper-who-shot-unarmed-man-faces-charges/16178961/ |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:32:28 AM EDT
[#23]
Hopefully the State Trooper gets prison time, and sued. Hope the good guy recovers from his wounds.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:37:15 AM EDT
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Egads! Hope the driver recovers fully. Trooper Hair Trigger needs to face the music. Absolutely. Very bad shoot and I hope he gets the book thrown at him. Firing should only be the first step |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:44:33 AM EDT
[#25]
Holy fuck that was bad.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:53:56 AM EDT
[#27]
Wow...
Hope the jackass gets a stiff sentence. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:58:45 AM EDT
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haha Wow even managed to squeeze one last round off after the guy had his hands up.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 3:11:25 AM EDT
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Yup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Egads! Hope the driver recovers fully. Trooper Hair Trigger needs to face the music. Yup. Yes he does, and he's already been arrested on the charges apparently |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 4:00:06 AM EDT
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Disturbing, yes. There is so much that was done wrong in that video, it's hard to pic where to start.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 4:02:42 AM EDT
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Egads! Hope the driver recovers fully. Trooper Hair Trigger needs to face the music. Pretty much this. I really hope the driver doesn't have permanent damage from this. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 4:38:47 AM EDT
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That was a nice display of police professionalism!
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Posted: 9/25/2014 4:42:48 AM EDT
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I hope he does time. In before the apologist cavalry arrives. It hasnt hit glocktalk coptalk yet but should make for some interesting reading over there |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:04:17 AM EDT
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Most people that are not cops don't know shit about police tactics or what cops look for. The only people that I've seen behave perfectly on traffic stops are other cops. Everyone else is digging in their pockets, center consoles and glove boxes, unless you tell them not to. He asked for ID and the guy went for his ID. Very true. The average law abiding person doesn't have exposure to that knowledge-base, and many agencies are extremely hesitant in sharing this information with the general public to begin with. Couple that with the average person's expectations regarding how a simple minor traffic offense should be handled. This incident, along with the video of the older gentleman being shot when he reaches for his cane both show overly-aggressive responses to normal, everyday human behavioral and instinctual reactions. LE agencies need to seriously start looking at the psychological and legal consequences of overly-aggressive enforcement tactics and officer-safety training. People are getting shot because they don't know any better by officers who are simply being too aggressive. This is not isolated, it is a trend that needs de-escalated.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:07:03 AM EDT
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Even dash cams are filming vertically now.
Bad shoot etc, etc. everything I'd say has already been said. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:16:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: haha Wow even managed to squeeze one last round off after the guy had his hands up. I guess he read the thread on anchor shots.  |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:23:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: States in the video, the reason for the stop was driving without a seat belt (Seat belt violation)t and while on private property. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems pretty obvious the officer thought the guy was reaching for a weapon in the vehicle, however, he did start shooting way before any potential lethal threat was observed. It doesn't seem like this was a high risk enforcement action based on the officer's original request for the license, but I would like to know what the context of the call for service was or the reason for the stop to help paint the whole picture for me. States in the video, the reason for the stop was driving without a seat belt (Seat belt violation)t and while on private property. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:35:58 AM EDT
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People are getting shot because they don't know any better by officers who are simply being too aggressive. This is not isolated, it is a trend that needs de-escalated. Calm down. There are tens of thousands of vehicle stops and other police contacts that happen every single day. Very rarely is any force used, much less deadly force. And in the overwhelming majority of cases when deadly force is used, it is very easily justified. This guy fucked up and overreacted, not a trend. And he will answer for it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 5:58:20 AM EDT
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Officer doesn't need to go to jail ...
... but damn, he could have accidently killed the nice kid and America doesn't need that right now, what with Obama at the UN or wherever, invoking Ferguson and all. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:02:32 AM EDT
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Lol at the JBT's here saying bad shoot, but PTSD and furtive movement. It would be interesting to know how many times he has come close to doing this before incident. So now that he is fired, will he have to pay for his own defense?
Comedy gold. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:07:00 AM EDT
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Officer doesn't need to go to jail ... ... but damn, he could have accidently killed the nice kid and America doesn't need that right now, what with Obama at the UN or wherever, invoking Ferguson and all. Yes he does Mark. Actions have consequences and the courts agree that "good faith" just doesn't fly in this case.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:17:14 AM EDT
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Calm down. There are tens of thousands of vehicle stops and other police contacts that happen every single day. Very rarely is any force used, much less deadly force. And in the overwhelming majority of cases when deadly force is used, it is very easily justified. This guy fucked up and overreacted, not a trend. And he will answer for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People are getting shot because they don't know any better by officers who are simply being too aggressive. This is not isolated, it is a trend that needs de-escalated. Calm down. There are tens of thousands of vehicle stops and other police contacts that happen every single day. Very rarely is any force used, much less deadly force. And in the overwhelming majority of cases when deadly force is used, it is very easily justified. This guy fucked up and overreacted, not a trend. And he will answer for it. I would love to see those statistics posted from a reliable source. Please provide the data to support your claim. BTW, love the patronizing way you answered, lol. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:17:28 AM EDT
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Wow
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:26:51 AM EDT
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The officer was simply obeying rule #1 in law enforcement.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:32:15 AM EDT
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It's a wonder he didn't kill several bystanders with that terrible shooting display.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:37:51 AM EDT
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Hope the cock sucker does years in a prison.
Fucking seat belt pull over and shoots 4 times. Why do some of us not trust cops? Prayers to the victim. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 6:42:48 AM EDT
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No question it's a bad shoot. What's interesting is that he had been involved in a previous shooting that was clean (was actually taking rounds from the bad guy prior to the shoot). While I expect he'll be convicted, I'll be interested to see how possible PTSD works into this, and what charge he ends up with. THIS is why PTSD in cops is a serious (but generally ignored) issue... it can result in a very bad thing happening to an innocent man. BTW, for all the basement-dwelling, mouth-breathing cop haters out there, no favoritism was shown in the case, nor was anything covered up. Rule of law in action. PTSD......For this shoot....no fucking way. Stop trying to make excuses. This cop simply tried to kill the driver. PTSD should be taken seriously, but this was an assault. No cop hate, just BAD cop hate. This is happening way too much. |
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