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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:44:38 PM EDT
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Highly doubtful
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:44:59 PM EDT
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Wow. It should be in a museum
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:51:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:53:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: How is this possible? Someone owns the rifle, and they want to sell it. I can't for the life of me see anyone paying $25 K for it, but there are some strange people out there. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:14:38 PM EDT
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Someone owns the rifle, and they want to sell it. I can't for the life of me see anyone paying $25 K for it, but there are some strange people out there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is this possible? Someone owns the rifle, and they want to sell it. I can't for the life of me see anyone paying $25 K for it, but there are some strange people out there. Thought firearms used in a homicide were kept as evidence indefinitely, especially one with the history of this rifle. Guess maybe back then it could have been passed around and eventually forgotten. Regardless, not a firearm I'd be interested in owning. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:10:30 AM EDT
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Serial number of rifle and scope in pic at link.
GUNS FOUND AROUND BODY: Remington Model 700 - 6MM, Bolt action #149037, with Leupold four power - M8-4X scope, cheek stock (serial #61384) and leather strap. Sears 12 gauge 2.75 chamber automatic shotgun, barrel and stock, both sawed off Remington 35 caliber model 141 pump #1859 rifle U. S. Carbine 30 caliber M-1 Universal #69799 with Webb sling. 357 Mag Smith and Weston 4.5 barrel, chrome, Model 19 #K391583 9MM Luger #2010 6.35 MM Caliber Automatic pistol- Galesi-brescia #366869 
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:14:22 AM EDT
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Even if it's the real deal and I had the money I wouldn't even want to touch it.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:16:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if it's the real deal and I had the money I wouldn't even want to touch it. If I happened to buy it at a pawn shop and found out later it was his rifle, I probably would keep it and not think anything of it. Buying it because it was his rifle? No way. ETA: There's also no way I'd pay more than $400 for that rifle, regardless of who the previous owner was. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:18:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone owns the rifle, and they want to sell it. I can't for the life of me see anyone paying $25 K for it, but there are some strange people out there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How is this possible? Someone owns the rifle, and they want to sell it. I can't for the life of me see anyone paying $25 K for it, but there are some strange people out there. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:22:51 AM EDT
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Ain't no worse than people that collecting nazi memorabilia. serial killer memorabilia collecting isn't the most vanilla hobby and not something I'm personally interested in, but I still get it. Some people want to collect objects of the past that involve darker history. It's grim but it doesn't mean they, themselves, are nut jobs too. Hopefully this does end up in a museum though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is this possible? Someone owns the rifle, and they want to sell it. I can't for the life of me see anyone paying $25 K for it, but there are some strange people out there. Wonder if it was floating around until someone bought it and happened to look up the serial number, not knowing what they had. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:22:58 AM EDT
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun?
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:24:44 AM EDT
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Whitman was an excellent shot. Consider the downward angle he had to shoot and hold compensation, and then he hit someone who was peeking from a balustrade is admirable. Still, he was a sick ph*c who needed taking out and I'm glad he was obliged.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:26:45 AM EDT
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Oh hell no.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:26:56 AM EDT
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun? Not sure. He was hitting people several blocks down the drag though. Look on youtube for "Neal Spelce UT Tower shooting". He was on TV reporting live on the scene. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:28:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun?  |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:29:02 AM EDT
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Meh, Fudd gun
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:30:30 AM EDT
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Holy shit I need that
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:31:17 AM EDT
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$25k seems low for such an important piece of history. it's much more valuable to a collector of creepy, odd stuff.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:35:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:38:03 AM EDT
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun? 800meters |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:48:26 AM EDT
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Whenever I get the 'who needs one of those?" crap at the public range from a fudd, I go into the "Charles Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald were Fudd deer hunters who snapped from the blood-lust caused by killing bambi. I tell them that hunting makes people psychopathic and they should be buying their food at a supermarket like normal people.
Some of them figure it out, other get pissed. Either way, I win. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:49:21 AM EDT
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun? 800meters What was the caliber? .270 or 06? |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:51:31 AM EDT
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun? 800meters What was the caliber? .270 or 06? 6mm |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:04:30 AM EDT
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Awesome. I'd buy it. $25k is a deal for a weapon with that history in my opinion. I'd even go shoot it and see how accurate it was for me. Would be a great historical value as well as a great conversation piece......except for those with watery eyes.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:05:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:07:25 AM EDT
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More googleing:
The seven guns that Charles Whitman carried... SNIPER'S GUNS. July 14, 1989 AUSTIN, Texas — SNIPER'S GUNS. The seven guns that Charles Whitman carried to the top of the University of Texas Tower in 1966 in a bloody rampage that left 14 dead and 31 wounded are being offered for sale by a Dallas-area gun collector. For the gun dealer, Wayne Buxton of Richardson, the advertisement he bought in a gun collector's publication has brought an annoying amount of attention and curiosity. ''I have no interest whatsoever in resurrecting pain or any sad feelings,'' he said. The sale of the three rifles, one shotgun and three pistols has brought back painful memories for some, but at least one of Whitman's shooting victims said he recognizes the historical value of the firearms and does not begrudge the dealer his profit. Buxton would not reveal how he got the weapons or how long he has owned them. Robert Heard, who in 1966 was seriously wounded by Whitman while covering the massacre for The Associated Press, said of the sale, ''They are of historical value. It doesn't bother me. I don't begrudge him the deal.'' |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:10:03 AM EDT
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So far looking very legit. Serial numbers of rifle and scope match. Possibility of fraud always exists though. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:12:37 AM EDT
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"Just a little background on this. Charles Whitman was a Marine who went up on the University of Texas Tower and began shooting people in 1966. He killed around 16 and wounded almost 40.
I am in search of those guns and am very interested in purchasing them. This is what I have so far. A man named Wayne Buxton purchased the guns from an estate sale of a rich oil man from Wichita Falls, Texas that died and then ran an ad in Shotgun News in 1989 and sold them all. I got in touch with Mr. Buxton in an attempt to find out who he sold them to and his shop at the time burned down and there are no records, receipts of who bought them. For some reason Mr. Buxton caught all kinds of hell over selling the guns which I do not understand as they have a significant historical value. No one gets upset over JW Booth's guns or Oswald's rifle. Anyway, Mr. Buxton's original shop burned down along with all his receipts and records and does not remember the name of the guy who bought them. Apparently the oil guy had a massive collection of firearms but Buxton just wanted the Whitman guns. Buxton low balled the estate attorneys with a 1000 dollar bid thinking they'd never go for that low a price and was shocked when he found out his bid was the winning bid!! He just recalls that the guy who bought them was in his 30s or 40s in 1989 and paid 4500 dollars for the entire collection and was from a small town in Texas not like Houston or Dallas. Mr. Buxton was happy to get rid of them and make a profit. People were calling him at all hours of the night and sending hateful letters. Granted this was a tragic event, but it is an historical one. If anyone on here knows who is in possession of those firearms please let me know. I want to purchase them but if that is not possible I'd like to photograph them in the condition they are today. Thanks to anyone who can help!" |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:15:15 AM EDT
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6mm Remington Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun? 800meters What was the caliber? .270 or 06? 6mm Remington I assume. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:17:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serial number of rifle and scope in pic at link. GUNS FOUND AROUND BODY: Remington Model 700 - 6MM, Bolt action #149037, with Leupold four power - M8-4X scope, cheek stock (serial #61384) and leather strap. Sears 12 gauge 2.75 chamber automatic shotgun, barrel and stock, both sawed off Remington 35 caliber model 141 pump #1859 rifle U. S. Carbine 30 caliber M-1 Universal #69799 with Webb sling. 357 Mag Smith and Weston 4.5 barrel, chrome, Model 19 #K391583 9MM Luger #2010 6.35 MM Caliber Automatic pistol- Galesi-brescia #366869 http://murderpedia.org/male.W/images/whitman_charles/shooting/1017.jpg That's a damn fine knife there.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:23:34 AM EDT
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What kind of knife?
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:42:40 AM EDT
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Looks like a Randall model 1-7
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:45:36 AM EDT
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should be destroyed
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:50:48 AM EDT
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Meh, Fudd gun Meh fudd gun my ass. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:55:05 AM EDT
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What was Whitman's longest confirmed hit with that gun? 800meters What was the caliber? .270 or 06? 6mm Remington I assume. This was 1966. Hear that. This guy took that 6mm Remington ADL 700 bolt action rifle equipped with a mere Leupold 4 power scope and again this was 1966 optics and did this much damage. And yes that is exactly the rifle used. Fudd gun my ass. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 1:59:09 AM EDT
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I wonder if Ray Martinez knows it is up for sale. I know him, but haven't seen him in a couple of years. He is getting up there in years.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 2:04:23 AM EDT
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My 700's serial number is only 40K off from that one.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 2:23:55 AM EDT
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should be destroyed 
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Posted: 9/20/2014 2:54:36 AM EDT
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Some people are really into collecting creepy relics like that. I wonder what a gun owned by hitler would go for.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:01:32 AM EDT
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I wonder what a gun owned by hitler would go for. Tales Of the Gun years ago said his PP sold for like 1.2 Million. 
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:14:28 AM EDT
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While I think that any of his guns should probably be in a museum somewhere....
I wouldn't care to own one of them. Sort'a like the "ST Valentines Massacre" guns that are out there where you can pay to shoot them and then keep the brass as some sort of trophy. One of the guys who was killed in that "raid" was just a fuckin' mechanic who had the horrible "luck" to be there that day. I'd have a hard time enjoying that spent brass knowing that some "Dude", who was just trying to feed his kids got pulled into a national "Event" by the fact that he got himself murdered in a war between two drug dealers. That's just me though. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:23:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2014 4:40:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. It should be in a museum  |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:14:29 AM EDT
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Any LEO's here that can educate me on protocol for weapon used in a homicide currently, both short and long term.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:21:37 AM EDT
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 I'm betting the provenance is questionable at best.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:29:09 AM EDT
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I don't blame guns for the criminal behaviour of a madman. Nonetheless, I would never be able to own Whitman's guns and enjoy having them. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:32:52 AM EDT
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I'm betting the provenance is questionable at best.Scope and rifle serial numbers matching ones in official report is pretty good proof to start. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:33:34 AM EDT
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This guy took that 6mm Remington ADL 700 bolt action rifle equipped with a mere Leupold 4 power scope and again this was 1966 optics and did this much damage. And yes that is exactly the rifle used. Fudd gun my ass. The man definitely had skills, too bad he misused them. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:36:24 AM EDT
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6mm is best mm. I have one in Remington 788. All the fudd looks with teir 1 range and accuracy.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:40:29 AM EDT
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I'd rather have a new one.
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